Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am not denying that in 1993 Yates had a lot of good qualites.

But I am denying that the 1993 Yates would win over a peak Ronnie.

And, I am also denying that Yates  would not have beat shawn and flex had they been 250 pounds with a thick back.

Ronnie would have been similar to a "kicked up" shawn or flex..

And he would have won as a result.

" Dorian Yates is the most overrated bodybuilder ever" thats not denying he had a lot of good qualities lol now your backpeddling .

[GetItOnNY]

Yates was a great athlete for his time.This is the year 2006 and if Yates and Coleman went head to head on stage Coleman would easily win.Heres why from a Judges standpoint( im a certified judge in 3 organizations).Ronnie Coleman is what they call a "Y" shaped bodybuilder, and Yates is more of a "H" wich is a blockier structure.Secondly Roonnie Coleman has more muscle seperation and more fas twitch fibers then Dorian Yates.I think the reason for this is he is African American, and Yates did low volume training.Low volume training gives you great size, but it wont give your muscle bellies a fibrous look like Ronnie Coleman has.Yates would get hard and dry for shows, but he never had really good muscle fiber seperation.The last point I would like to point out is size, Ronnie Coleman has smaller bones then Dorian Yates, yet is still out weigh Dorian by about 20 lbs on stage.Ronnie Coleman is bigger harder, and more symertical then Dorian Yates ever was.Ronnie won the Mr O 8 times so with that said I think Ronnie Coleman is the biggest and best Mr O that ever lived

[pumpster]

All Yates nut-huggers look through these, then start again with more excuses when you can't match 'em..
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14946

[NarcissisticDeity]

IMO Yates would have been beaten by:

-Coleman
-Schwarzenegger
-Oliva
-Haney
-Robinson
-Padilla

And at least in some cases, if the judging were fair:

-Wheeler
-Dillet-weak back doesn't erase the sheer depth of ownage on many other shots.
-Lavrone


That squat weightlifter's physique will never be near the top, never be legendary. That's why he's known as..

The Columbu of the 90s..

FYI genius

Dorian did face , Robby Robinson , Danny Padilla , Ronnie Coleman and beat all of them outright . 

[Hulkster]

ND, if the judges don't care about

taper
vascularity
detail
shape

because its "not in the stuff I posted"

then what do you think the judges look at? Tan lines?

All these things have ALWAYS been judged.

To argue otherwise shows your novice knowledge of the sport.

[Hulkster]

ND everything that you are claiming is not important is right here:

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

They are looking at muscular detail, shape vascularity striations etc.

just because they do not specifically use these exact words does not mean that they are not looking for it.

Thats how you asess muscular development. You use these criteria.

[pumpster]

Dorian did face , Robby Robinson , Danny Padilla , Ronnie Coleman and beat all of them outright .

Oh ya I forgot, according to ND's bizarre interpretations, timing is meaningless in which case Yates could never beat Haney, and we know that Haney was never the best-ever. hahahahahah

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, if the judges don't care about

taper
vascularity
detail
shape

because its "not in the stuff I posted"

then what do you think the judges look at? Tan lines?

All these things have ALWAYS been judged.

To argue otherwise shows your novice knowledge of the sport.

No this is what the judges look for , familarize yourself with the I.F.B.B. judging criteria and NOT the biased Hulkster-criteria of ' x-frame ' ' superior taper ' ' most striations ' ' most vasuclairty ' and you're the one who maintains Ronnie has great muscular balance your knowlege of the sport never progressed past entry-level , but read the criteria and come aquainted with the sport if you need any more pointers feel free to let me know.  

When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

[pumpster]

No this is what the judges look for

An annoying twit! Like a lawyer he'll try to bury us with minutiae while ignoring the obvious mountains of evidence to the contrary. No wonder lawyers are so repulsive; I think he's trying to be Johnny Cock Ring!

What a dink. Suddenly mr. personalty SUCKY seems appealing in comparison.

Here's my answer to your trivia..

[NarcissisticDeity]

What an annoying twit! He'll re-interpret everything while ignoring anything that doesn't agree with his theories while furiously backpeddling on all the obvious evidence that doesn't require this lawyer-speak.

What a dink.

One that criteria which I posted does NOT all favor Yates in some cases it works against him just like Ronnie but let us NOT create our own little rules in which Ronnie is superior and claim victory  lets post ALL the rules and let the cards fall where they may and according to the I.F.B.B. judging criteria when all said in done it is MY OPINION that Dorian Yates in prime condition would beat Ronnie. be it by mear points or straight firsts in the end the total ( key word ) accumulation of all the criteria leans in Yates favor. ( to the unbiased eye of course )

[pumpster]

Right here Yates loses..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Right here Yates loses..

You heard it here ladies & gentlemen an unbiased and honest judgment call from someone who knows 

[pumpster]

You heard it here ladies & gentlemen an unbiased and honest judgment call from someone who knows

He walked right into that one...an assessment reflective of this board:
Coleman >>> Yates

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[NarcissisticDeity]

He walked right into that one...an assessment reflective of this board:
Coleman >>> Yates

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Lame ( yawn ) thats my old trick  and are you still trying to recover from the STING of owning yourself? lol 

[pumpster]

"lol"...this guy'll say anything to avoid content..

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is a quote from John Hotten book " Muscle "

" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own.  Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.

[NarcissisticDeity]

"lol"...this guy'll say anything to avoid content..

You avoid content like the plauge , all you do is post pics and " ha ha ha ha " if thats content then keep trying. 

[nicorulez]

ND is a total joke.  He copies and pastes "IFBB protocol."  ND, are you a judge?  Have you even judged an amateur local show?  You post those criteria like they are in stone.  Bodybuilding has guidelines for which it follows, but it is not black and white like you portray.  There are many shades of grey.  Ronnie has it all over Dorian in size, shape and muscularity.  His joints are smaller, his shoulders wider and waist smaller.  He has superior legs and arms (not even debateable except for you; a blind man can appreciate this).  Once you judge a state or even national level show, you can then point to the IFBB judging criteria and be objective.  You are more biased than Pumpster, who you mock at every angle.  At least the man (Pumpster) posts with humor.  Your posts are boring, irrational for the most part, and reeking of bias (although you feign objectivity).  You are a bigger hypocrite than Sucky...at least he admits he loves Dorian.  You on the other hand are duplicitous and worse a lier.  I don't for one minute believe you wanted Dorian to lose in 1993.  I have never seen you start a thread where you go off on the Brit and extol the virtues of your man Flex.  In fact, what thread about Flex have you ever started in the last year?  Prove me wrong?  You have said such to try to give your argument a touch of credibility.  In reality, you are the greatest Yates guy who walks these boards.  You probably have a Yates poster that you blew up from one of your old Flex mags.  It probably is framed and placed right above your bed, so you can see your hero when you awaken.  Stop the BS ND and admit that he is your favorite BB.  Your posts to the contrary are sheer comical ("I wanted Flex to win"...yea right). 

[nicorulez]

Once again ND, have you ever seen Yates in a show?  You never answered that question?  I have and guess what, he lost. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND is a total joke.  He copies and pastes "IFBB protocol."  ND, are you a judge?  Have you even judged an amateur local show?  You post those criteria like they are in stone.  Bodybuilding has guidelines for which it follows, but it is not black and white like you portray.  There are many shades of grey.  Ronnie has it all over Dorian in size, shape and muscularity.  His joints are smaller, his shoulders wider and waist smaller.  He has superior legs and arms (not even debateable except for you; a blind man can appreciate this).  Once you judge a state or even national level show, you can then point to the IFBB judging criteria and be objective.  You are more biased than Pumpster, who you mock at every angle.  At least the man (Pumpster) posts with humor.  Your posts are boring, irrational for the most part, and reeking of bias (although you feign objectivity).  You are a bigger hypocrite than Sucky...at least he admits he loves Dorian.  You on the other hand are duplicitous and worse a lier.  I don't for one minute believe you wanted Dorian to lose in 1993.  I have never seen you start a thread where you go off on the Brit and extol the virtues of your man Flex.  In fact, what thread about Flex have you ever started in the last year?  Prove me wrong?  You have said such to try to give your argument a touch of credibility.  In reality, you are the greatest Yates guy who walks these boards.  You probably have a Yates poster that you blew up from one of your old Flex mags.  It probably is framed and placed right above your bed, so you can see your hero when you awaken.  Stop the BS ND and admit that he is your favorite BB.  Your posts to the contrary are sheer comical ("I wanted Flex to win"...yea right). 

I look forward to your EMO posts lol thanks ! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Once again ND, have you ever seen Yates in a show?  You never answered that question?  I have and guess what, he lost. 

He lost to a better bodybuilder too  and NO I've never been to a pro show .

[MikeThaMachine]

The only person here known to actually have swung on anyones nuts is Hulkster and he's hasn't stopped swinging for quite a while...... atleast not since i have been here



Oh yeah and nicorulez you're an idiot plain and simple, you pull shit out of the crapper and call it a post

[pumpster]

The only person here known to actually have swung on anyones nuts is Hulkster and he's hasn't stopped swinging for quite a while...... atleast not since i have been here

Oh yeah and nicorulez you're an idiot plain and simple, you pull shit out of the crapper and call it a post

Excellent ND-style rebuttals, over-flowing with content.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

In fact, what thread about Flex have you ever started in the last year?  Prove me wrong?  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=70530.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=79780.0


Heres two and whenever the topic of who was the best apprerence of any bodybuilder I'll say either 83 Samir & 93 Flex so you my friend are owned .  

[LyricTenor]

Whatever happened to calling Dorian "construction worker".  Pumpster did you have an epiphany and realize that you had sunk to the level of a 13 year old middle school kid?  Hmm.  Or have you just forgotten to type it recently and still think it is a valid description of Dorian?  Please enlighten me. 

All this business of comparing shitty pictures to each other is getting nauseating.  Why dont you (camp coleman) just post good pictures of Dorian?  Are you scared that dorian will actually look better than ronnie?  Will it shatter your fragile conception of what bodybuilding is?  Please... grow up.

I think we've come to a conclusion that 01 and 99 was Ronnie's best.(98=gyno)  Dorian 93/95.  To be honest those pictures of ronnie prejudging o1 are horrible quality and I wonder if there are better quality pictures that show all of the mandatories.  I also dont see a problem with posting black and white pictures.  Ronnie has them and so does Dorian. Plus cant you make any color shot black and white with photoshop? 

Well, pumpster.. are you afraid that those b/w pics look better than coleman?  Is that why you dont want them posted?   I dont know how to make comparison shots myself, but I think they are nice to have.

Here's a few pics just to change it up.