Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

Using my own eyes , Ray looked better than Dorian in some shots but most shots he did NOT and he was to light , the only lighter bodybuilder who could beat Dorian is Flex Wheeler and that was due to suprior shape & aesthetic coupled with his cartoon muscle size and harmony .

When Flex is ON 100% (aka 1993 ASC) he is UNTOUCHABLE...my jaw dropped when I saw the 93 ASC video.

[NarcissisticDeity]

When Flex is ON 100% (aka 1993 ASC) he is UNTOUCHABLE...my jaw dropped when I saw the 93 ASC video.

I always maintained 93 Flex would beat anyone , Haney , Coleman and Yates all at their respective primes .

[Hulkster]

I've said Coleman at the 1996 NOC was fantastic but others insist he was NO WHERE NEAR his peak , he was full his waist showed NO distention what so ever , he was shredded and awesome .

he looked really good but he got a lot better, especially in quads and back.

ronnie 1996's lat spread was nowhere near Ronnie 1998/9's.

and his quads got a lot more sliced.  In 1996 they had some striations, but lacked deep seperation between the muscle groups.

By 1999 all this changed.


his quads got better.



his back got better.




his arms got better.

and his waist size stayed the same

[pobrecito]

he looked really good but he got a lot better, especially in quads and back.

ronnie 1996's lat spread was nowhere near Ronnie 1998/9's.

and his quads got a lot more sliced.  In 1996 they had some striations, but lacked deep seperation between the muscle groups.

By 1999 all this changed.


his quads got better.



his back got better.




his arms got better.

and his waist size stayed the same

Hulkster, you obviously haven't seen the 96 BFTO tape, Coleman's quads were as sliced as EVER. The thing about 96 is he fucked up and came in watery to the 96 olympia, but 2 weeks out he looked amazing, I would reckon just as good as he did in 98. 99 was certainly his best though.

You do need to remember as well, '93 Yates vs. '99 Coleman, they are both 257lbs, but Yates will be more muscular and dense. As much as each camp wants to deny the other's superiority, a 93 Yates versus 99 coleman would be an AMAZING showdown. Yates with the advantage in density and muscularity and Ronnie with the advantage in shape.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he looked really good but he got a lot better, especially in quads and back.

ronnie 1996's lat spread was nowhere near Ronnie 1998/9's.

and his quads got a lot more sliced.  In 1996 they had some striations, but lacked deep seperation between the muscle groups.

By 1999 all this changed.


his arms got better.

and his waist size stayed the same

No his waist size DID NOT stay the same watch the clip fom the 99 GP and you clearly see its distened and put Ronnie 96 NOC under the same lighting as the 99 GP and he'd look just about as good.

[MikeThaMachine]

2002 Mr. O

[pobrecito]

No his waist size DID NOT stay the same watch the clip fom the 99 GP and you clearly see its distened and put Ronnie 96 NOC under the same lighting as the 99 GP and he'd look just about as good.

It's funny, you know who did the lighting for the 99 GP....


yep, you guessed it, Yates....


One thing I think is very important that goes undetected is the fact that Yates is very fair skinned. Why do you think there is such a dramatic difference in his appearance in his black and whites? Coleman's black and whites are much less of a difference from his color pictures becuase he already has great contrast with his dark skin

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster, you obviously haven't seen the 96 BFTO tape, Coleman's quads were as sliced as EVER. The thing about 96 is he fucked up and came in watery to the 96 olympia, but 2 weeks out he looked amazing, I would reckon just as good as he did in 98. 99 was certainly his best though.

You do need to remember as well, '93 Yates vs. '99 Coleman, they are both 257lbs, but Yates will be more muscular and dense. As much as each camp wants to deny the other's superiority, a 93 Yates versus 99 coleman would be an AMAZING showdown. Yates with the advantage in density and muscularity and Ronnie with the advantage in shape.

I've already said 93/99 Olympia would be anything but dominating of either side I've maintained that it would be close either way but the Coleman fans insist he was so far ahead of Yates at this time he would walk all over him , which I wholeheartedly disagree with , Ronnie at his best never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber so to say he would dominate him like , Cutler or past prime Levrone , Flex is fantasy .

[NarcissisticDeity]

It's funny, you know who did the lighting for the 99 GP....


yep, you guessed it, Yates....


One thing I think is very important that goes undetected is the fact that Yates is very fair skinned. Why do you think there is such a dramatic difference in his appearance in his black and whites? Coleman's black and whites are much less of a difference from his color pictures becuase he already has great contrast with his dark skin

Finally someone who gets it , I've maintained that very sentiment through out this thread that sometimes the lighting doesn't show of Yates to his best advantage in pics & video but the judges clearly see it in person , Yates was one of those guys who everyone says must be seen in person .

And Hulkster goes on and on about the 99 GP and how great Ronnie was and I've said he was in great shape but the lighting just made it that much better and that Ronnie in his other excellent conditions would look just as good under that lighting.

[MikeThaMachine]

More 2002 Mr. O

[NarcissisticDeity]

You know whats ironic is after the mess at the 01 Olympia Ronnie supposedly busted his ass to make sure it didn't happen again in 02 but some how he messed up because he was way off .

[MikeThaMachine]

Last Set

[Hulkster]

ND, you have this fantasy that Dorian somehow has this strange type of detail that disppears on video/pics and only appears when you are right in front of him.

guess what? not amount of light can turn this detail:



into this detail:



the light does not create new details. It only highlights what is already there.

[pobrecito]

ND, you have this fantasy that Dorian somehow has this strange type of detail that disppears on video/pics and only appears when you are right in front of him.

guess what? not amount of light can turn this detail:



into this detail:



the light does not create new details. It only highlights what is already there.

Honestly, put both of those on stage next to each other and it's gonna be one hell of a job judging between the two. Both are extremely impressive. Like I previously said, both at 257lbs, Yates is more musclular. Ronnie has better arms for sure.....like I said, I would love to see a 93 Yates vs. 99 Ronnie

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you have this fantasy that Dorian somehow has this strange type of detail that disppears on video/pics and only appears when you are right in front of him.

guess what? not amount of light can turn this detail:



into this detail:



the light does not create new details. It only highlights what is already there.

No Yates has details , you can see striations in his chest they're just not as clearly visable as Ronnie on film or paper because he has fair skin , Ronnie has darker skin so its easier to see . this has been pointed out to you ( internet-fan ) by people who have seen Yates up close and personal ( as well as Ronnie ) anyway lighting and skin color affect photos and video but obviously the judges seen what you cannot .  

[Hulkster]

You know whats ironic is after the mess at the 01 Olympia Ronnie supposedly busted his ass to make sure it didn't happen again in 02 but some how he messed up because he was way off .

he did that because everyone, including the judges (according to his MD interview) said to "come in looking like you did at the Arnold Classic"

so, he overdieted and came in looking like this:


instead of like this:

 

[delta9mda]

Hulkster.... do you have this pics from the muscle and fitness where they were doing the '93 olympia coverage and in that issue they have flex being taken through posing practice with joe weider?

The photos were black and white and flex looked unbelievable....

i have it but i dont have a scanner

[Hulkster]

you can see striations in his chest they're just not as clearly visable as Ronnie on film or paper because he has fair skin

absolute bullshit.

they are not as visible because there are fewer striations there.

there is no such thing as a magic striation light.

[pobrecito]

he did that because everyone, including the judges (according to his MD interview) said to "come in looking like you did at the Arnold Classic"

so, he overdieted and came in looking like this:


instead of like this:

 

god damn, look at the difference in his arm size

[MikeThaMachine]

97 ASC Ronnie

[Hulkster]

Hulkster.... do you have this pics from the muscle and fitness where they were doing the '93 olympia coverage and in that issue they have flex being taken through posing practice with joe weider?

The photos were black and white and flex looked unbelievable....

sorry I do not.

[Hulkster]

1997 vs. 1999:




1997 vs. 1998:



even though ND claims otherwise, Helen Keller could see the leap Ronnie made in 1998/9 compared to his earlier forms.

[pobrecito]

1997 vs. 1999:




1997 vs. 1998:



even though ND claims otherwise, Helen Keller could see the leap Ronnie made in 1998/9 compared to his earlier forms.

First off, Ronnie was better in 96 than in 97. Secondly, one of the main differences between ronnie in 96/97 and 98/99 is the fact that he didnt know how to come into a show prior to 98. Chad Nicholls helped him with that and brought his conditioning up that next notch by helping him come in at his best in the competition. Hulkster, I have asked, I will ask again, have you seen the 96 BFTO tape? Ronnie hits a crap most muscular and it's unreal.

[delta9mda]

97 ASC Ronnie

mike is making ronnie look like a lil girl

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, I have asked, I will ask again, have you seen the 96 BFTO tape? Ronnie hits a crap most muscular and it's unreal.

no

but one day..