Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

ronnie vs. jay 2001.

[Hulkster]

I have the WHOLE contest on tape kid , the judges spoke and Shawn was lucky he got second , how you can say he should have beaten Dorian when Shawn said he got the place he deserved and he ONLY surpassed Kevin on posing and NOT by virtue of his phsyique.

Its called showing respect for the champion and not looking like a sore loser.

after the smoke cleared, everyone, including shawn, spoke openly about who should have really won.

Forunately, the magazines were not shy in their assesement that Dorian got a  gift.

eg. Musclemag" "other than dorian's thick upper back, there was little else about the big man's physique that overshadowed Shawn"

and "Shawn Ray was magnificent"

Since you love quotes so much, chew on these for a while..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie vs. jay 2001.

It clearly shows why Ronnie lost symmetry & muscularity rounds .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Its called showing respect for the champion and not looking like a sore loser.

after the smoke cleared, everyone, including shawn, spoke openly about who should have really won.

Forunately, the magazines were not shy in their assesement that Dorian got a  gift.

eg. Musclemag" "other than dorian's thick upper back, there was little else about the big man's physique that overshadowed Shawn"

and "Shawn Ray was magnificent"

Since you love quotes so much, chew on these for a while..

LMFAO Shawn Ray showing respect for the champion , you better wake up and smell what you're shoveling  eMusclemag ? the messageboard? lol I don't need to rely on quotes but they verify what I said all along , the judges spoke and Shawn was lucky to beat Kevin nevermind Dorian , 2001 was the complete joke followed by 2002 , they were a joke on the scorecards and the general consensus but I don't think they were fixed but Ronnie was an extremly lucky guy like he was in 98 .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Top this .


quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."


" In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "

[pobrecito]

The main difference between 2001 and 1994?

Dorian's main competitor was 50lbs lighter and Coleman's was 9lbs lighter.

[suckmymuscle]

It clearly shows why Ronnie lost symmetry & muscularity rounds .

  Yes, it was a travesty that Ronnie won in 2001: a 240 lbs man with flat muscles, little separations and a distended midsection. Absolutely pathetic. The bias of the Ronnie nut-milkers is obvious in tht they think Dorian should have lost in 1994 and 1997, yet think this deserved to win in 2001. Oh, and how exactly a bodybuilder can win win a contest, after losing both the muscularity and the symmetry rounds, is appalling and unheard of in the history of the Mr.Olympia contest. I think the judges created an entirely new judging criteria, just for Ronald Coleman...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Yes, it was a travesty that Ronnie won in 2001: a 240 lbs man with flat muscles, little separations and a distended midsection. Absolutely pathetic.

A bodybuilder doesn't necessarily have to look his all-time best to win. He just needs to look better than his competition. This is a concept you will never understand Suckmydick. In 2001, Cutler had more definition from the front but Ronnie had more size and better shape. Ronnie destroyed Cutler from the side and back. I feel Ronnie deserved to win.

[Bear]

It can't just be me who thinks ronnie looks pretty great there!!!!?!?!?

[sculpture]

Lets be honest, he looks a hell of lot better than this car crash

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[NarcissisticDeity]

A bodybuilder doesn't necessarily have to look his all-time best to win. He just needs to look better than his competition. This is a concept you will never understand Suckmydick. In 2001, Cutler had more definition from the front but Ronnie had more size and better shape. Ronnie destroyed Cutler from the side and back. I feel Ronnie deserved to win.

He just needs to look better than his competition? Hmmmmm Jay won both the muscularity & symmetry rounds so Ronnie according to the judges he didn't look better than his competition , like Shawn Ray said in his commentary NO Mr Olympia trailed by 6 points going into the nightshow and then won its unheard of. this was mentioned before and I'm not sure if its true thats Ronnie was allowed to pose for 10 minutes and Jay just 4 and Ronnie used a prop which is against I.F.B.B. rules .

[pumpster]

It can't just be me who thinks ronnie looks pretty great there!!!!?!?!?

That what novices don't comprehend-even at his worst, Coleman's so good that he still looks better than the next guy Jay, as seen in those pics. Yates on the other hand, was never so outstanding that he had that kind of margin to come in looking half-assed and ended up looking like an abortion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That what novices don't comprehend-even at his worst, Coleman's so good that he still looks better than the next guy Jay, as seen in those pics. Yates on the other hand, was never so outstanding that he had that kind of margin to come in looking half-assed and ended up looking like an abortion.

No this is where you're wrong at his worse in 1997 Dorian still recieved straight firsts !! Ronnie personally to you looks better than Jay the judges thought otherwise which is exactly why he LOST both the symmetry & muscularity rounds , that my friend means he was the better bodybuilder the posing rounds  the scorecards don't lie . Ronnie was a very very lucky guy in 01 .

[pumpster]

No this is where you're wrong at his worse in 1997 Dorian still recieved straight firsts !!

The scoring in a suspect commercial enterprise like the Mr. Olympia's not supposed to be taken so seriously.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The scoring in a suspect commercial enterprise like the Mr. Olympia's not supposed to be taken so seriously.

So you're admitting that the contest was fixed in 2001 for commercial reasons and thats why they picked Coleman?

[pumpster]

So you're admitting that the contest was fixed in 2001 for commercial reasons and thats why they picked Coleman?

When you finally show some courage and finally step up on the Columbu, Dickerson and Yates one-armed fiascos, we'll talk.

[NarcissisticDeity]

When you finally show some courage and finally step up on the Columbu, Dickerson and Yates one-armed fiascos, we'll talk.

See I know you're bound by your statement that Haney , Yates , Colombu and Dickerson were all hand picked by the Weiders for ' commercial reasons ' but you simply can't claim any alledged third party intervention that worked in thier favor  didn't also work in Colemans in 98/01/02/04 . you can't have it both ways.

And whats the nonsense that I should step up ? I've already told you that personally I think that Dorian should have lost in 97 and I don't think Colombu or Dickerson would be my first choice but what do I know ? I'm not a judge , see unlike you I trust the judging . I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan but you don't see me bitching about 1998 and how Flex was screwed not I think it was extremly close and the choose Ronnie has the better man . I don't think 01/02 was FIXED but they were extremly controversial .

And lets say Dorian is as medicore as you claim why wouldn't they assuming a fixed contest at least make it close so they could rely on saying " hey it was very close but they gave the nod to Yates " why would they give him straight firsts? especilly through-out most of his career? the more one puts any logical thought behind your story the more it falls apart .

[sculpture]

So let me get this straight. Dorian shows up in 97 looking appalling, the epitome of everything wrong in this sport, looking facially 20 years older than he actually is, torn muscles everywhere, completely abhorrent, yet the judges score him straight firsts in every category and you don't think the scoring/judging system was wrong on this.

Moreover, by virtue of him scoring straight firsts, this qualifies him for looking better than ronnie in 2001?

97 easily surpasses 2001 for mockery. It was year when the worst looking physique this side of jp fux was awarded the title of Mr Olympia.

I suppose "dorians torn bicep, triceps and quads didnt detract anything from his awesome physique".

Pure codswallop.

Read between the lines: "Dorian you are mr olympia. (This is the last time we'll let you win this looking like you do. Now do the sport a favour and fuck off)"

A travesty.

2001 isnt even close, if you judge it by photos and videos instead of insisting on dredging up facts and figures rendered moot by the judging system that awarded them.

I couldnt give a rats ass if ronnie was trailing cutler and it was "unheard of in the sport". Cutler couldnt even pass the diuretic test so even if he'd won he would of lost.

[pumpster]

So let me get this straight. Dorian shows up in 97 looking appalling, the epitome of everything wrong in this sport, looking facially 20 years older than he actually is, torn muscles everywhere, completely abhorrent, yet the judges score him straight firsts in every category and you don't think the scoring/judging system was wrong on this.

He refuses utterly to stop & admit this and then offer any plausible explanation for Columbu, for Dickerson while complaining that there's no proof that something's up..willful naivete, quite deliberate AKA head-in-sand. Still waiting for explanations-the onus is on you to explain facts already on the table.

[pumpster]

Here's a true story on how uninspiring Yates is to me: last summer after the NOC here in NYC I got into my car a few blocks away from the show in lower Manhattan. Just as I was about to leave I noticed Yates & his girlfriend, his hand on her butt, alone walking up the street looking for a cab.

They couldn't find one and I thought of offering them a lift but I was legitimately so uninterested in him and his possibly surly demeanor I let the opportunity pass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

So let me get this straight. Dorian shows up in 97 looking appalling, the epitome of everything wrong in this sport, looking facially 20 years older than he actually is, torn muscles everywhere, completely abhorrent, yet the judges score him straight firsts in every category and you don't think the scoring/judging system was wrong on this.

Moreover, by virtue of him scoring straight firsts, this qualifies him for looking better than ronnie in 2001?

97 easily surpasses 2001 for mockery. It was year when the worst looking physique this side of jp fux was awarded the title of Mr Olympia.

I suppose "dorians torn bicep, triceps and quads didnt detract anything from his awesome physique".

Pure codswallop.

Read between the lines: "Dorian you are mr olympia. (This is the last time we'll let you win this looking like you do. Now do the sport a favour and f**k off)"

A travesty.

2001 isnt even close, if you judge it by photos and videos instead of insisting on dredging up facts and figures rendered moot by the judging system that awarded them.

I couldnt give a rats ass if ronnie was trailing cutler and it was "unheard of in the sport". Cutler couldnt even pass the diuretic test so even if he'd won he would of lost.

Did you miss the part where I said I personally thought he should have lost? did you? I don't think he should have recieved straight firsts I don't think he should have won at all . and his straight first victory means he looked that much better than the competition he faced and he didn't face Ronnie 2001 he faced Nasser who at this point matched Yates for size , but not conditioning , he could stand toe-to-toe with Yates in the front and couldn't from the side and back.

and 2001 isn't even close? you're right about that Cutler soundly beat Ronnie in both the muscularity & symmetryt rounds , being a typical Coleman fan you tend to look past all of Colemans flaws especially at that contest and claim how much better Ronnie is , well Ronnie is better than Jay 364 days out of the year except that one. and okay technically Jay ' failed ' the diuretics test and he should be DQ well Ronnie used a prop and not conforming to the I.F.B.B. rules on multi-colored posing trunks so he showed be DQ as well , you can't have it both ways

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here's a true story on how uninspiring Yates is to me: last summer after the NOC here in NYC I got into my car a few blocks away from the show in lower Manhattan. Just as I was about to leave I noticed Yates & his girlfriend, his hand on her butt, alone walking up the street looking for a cab.

They couldn't find one and I thought of offering them a lift but I was legitimately so uninterested in him and his possibly surly demeanor I let the opportunity pass.

You're blatant hypocrisy is amazing lol assuming your story is even real , he had his hand on his G/F's ass and thats ' surly ' yet you priase Sergio who is a known wife beater? lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

He refuses utterly to stop & admit this and then offer any plausible explanation for Columbu, for Dickerson while complaining that there's no proof that something's up..willful naivete, quite deliberate AKA head-in-sand. Still waiting for explanations-the onus is on you to explain facts already on the table.

I don't have to explain why Colombu or Dickerson won. you do  you're claiming it was a fix you provide the proof you can't even provide a detailed and objective explanation all you offer is " commerical intrests '  youn have nothing to back up your claim and when people have called you on it you either a) run or b) deflect.

[pumpster]

Did you miss the part where I said I personally thought he should have lost? did you? I don't think he should have recieved straight firsts I don't think he should have won at all . and his straight first victory means he looked that much better than the competition he faced and he didn't face Ronnie 2001 he faced Nasser who at this point matched Yates for size , but not conditioning , he could stand toe-to-toe with Yates in the front and couldn't from the side and back.

Consciously or not, you're not completing the thought. Fine, the judging looked suspect. Now, what possible reasons can you come up with as to why that outcome happened in the face of others who were clearly more deserving, on more than one occasion? Go through it with each one and come up with viable explanations, without which you're not making a convincing case. The evidence is already incriminating, it's for you to disprove it.

[sculpture]

Did you miss the part where I said I personally thought he should have lost? did you? I don't think he should have recieved straight firsts I don't think he should have won at all . and his straight first victory means he looked that much better than the competition he faced and he didn't face Ronnie 2001 he faced Nasser who at this point matched Yates for size , but not conditioning , he could stand toe-to-toe with Yates in the front and couldn't from the side and back.

and 2001 isn't even close? you're right about that Cutler soundly beat Ronnie in both the muscularity & symmetryt rounds , being a typical Coleman fan you tend to look past all of Colemans flaws especially at that contest and claim how much better Ronnie is , well Ronnie is better than Jay 364 days out of the year except that one. and okay technically Jay ' failed ' the diuretics test and he should be DQ well Ronnie used a prop and not conforming to the I.F.B.B. rules on multi-colored posing trunks so he showed be DQ as well , you can't have it both ways

The sad fact that your comparing multi coloyred trunks to a banned substance that enhances your appearance (unlike the trunks) smacks of clutching to straws.

Ronnie of 2001 > dorian 1997

Unfortunatly for dorian , the competition of 97 > the competition of 2001, making his victory all the more insulting chief.

Don't ever forget the travesty that was 97 when you start talking about undeserved victories of ronnie coleman.

Yates should be nearer the lower end of the top 6 that year.

Recognise.