Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

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LOCK LOCK BUMPADY LOCK!! Thats the magic word. nobody can post anymore.

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Dorian mocks you.

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Dorian mocks you.

I sent him to a corner for not keeping up with my workouts.

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Quote from: Hulkster on Today at 06:10:47 PM
How ND can claim that Ronnie/Jay was a travesty and then at the same time say that 1994 was okay is unreal.

You know exactly why seeing I provided ample proof . look I'm not saying 2001 was fixed I don't believe that at all , but it's unheard of that a guy loses both the symmetry & muscularity rounds and wins the contest , Ronnie was an extremly lucky guy

This ND answers every question with a question, never answers anything..let's say it again until he gives a real answer..

Quote from: Hulkster on Today at 06:10:47 PM
How ND can claim that Ronnie/Jay was a travesty and then at the same time say that 1994 was okay is unreal.

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Quote from: suckmymuscle on Today at 11:51:10 AM
 Retard. I've just posted three pics, from the 1997 Olympia, where Dorian is simply destroying Ronnie. And you just choose to ignore them!  And yes, Ronnie was so bad in 2001, but so disgustingly bad, that who wasn't even worthy of qualifying for the NPC Nationals or the U.S.A, let alone win the Sandow. What a disgrace to bodybuilding!         

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yes dorian is really destroying ronnie isnt he? Different pose (actually ronnies not even posing), different lighting.

Since SUCKY will be up late lurking when no one's around, let's get it straight-Yates would have been "demolished" by Coleman because of his deficiencies. Yates is not "demolishing" anyone with this mess:

[NeoSeminole]

don't forget...

[Hulkster]

classic look

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[Hulkster]

dorian was in contest shape during my comparison

[sculpture]

Hah. Shockwave the loser

[Bear]

Ronnie looks better there than I thought he would, big and pretty damn hard for this time of year. Yates always had a crazy bloated gut in the off season, which made his arms look comically small. So I figure Ron is allowed too. Obviously it is a pretty bad flaw but he's still a vascular bastard at any bodyweight and makes insane changes when dieting.

[sculpture]

His 98 front db bicep trounces anything yates has to offer.

And just who was it who said ronnie hardly changed from 96 to 98 and beyond?

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[Bear]

Yates chest doesn't flatten out like ronnie's does in that pose, and Yate's lats probably look better from the front, but the sheer superiority of Coleman's arms with the thin waist settles it for me without too much debate.

[sculpture]

Yates chest doesn't flatten out like ronnie's does in that pose, and Yate's lats probably look better from the front, but the sheer superiority of Coleman's arms with the thin waist settles it for me without too much debate.

Bingo. Chuck in superior quads and you have what the pose essentially showcases. A weak chest is'nt particular evident in a front dbl bi but poor quads and arms (relative to coleman) are certainly evident.

Some might cling to abs and calves in this instance but in this particular pose, any shortcomings in those areas are more than compensated by mindblowing arms and upper legs

[NarcissisticDeity]

This ND answers every question with a question, never answers anything..let's say it again until he gives a real answer..

Quote from: Hulkster on Today at 06:10:47 PM
How ND can claim that Ronnie/Jay was a travesty and then at the same time say that 1994 was okay is unreal.

I've answered the question you just don't like the answer I gave . here is how exactly 2001 was a joke and 1994 wasn't as fucked-up as 2001

2001 - Jay outclasses Ronnie in prejudging and wins both the symmetry & muscularity goes into the nightshow leading the current Mr Olympia by 6 points . now mind you the prejudging is where the contest final placings are actually determined , Shawn Ray said they should do away with the posing rounds because they NEVER effect a contestants final placing and they've long talked about doing this.

So Jay Cutler after the prejudging beat the Mr Olympia at his game NO Mr Olympia winner ever in the history of the sport went into the nightshow behind by 6 points and still won the show . its unheard of . the nightshow comes and Ronnie knows he's now losing so somehow he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and wins both the freeposing round & the posedown rounds to " beat " Jay by 4 points.

Ronnie was an extremly lucky bodybuilder on that night he lost the physique portion of the contest and I've seen Ronnie's free posing and it was nothing special or spectacular to warrant him beating Jay for the title but hey thats the way the cookie crumbled a very controversial contest none the less .


1994 - Dorian is off from 1993 big difference , his tan is poor & his stomach has some distension and his left bicep is torn . Dorian easily wins both the symmetry & muscularity rounds with perfect scores. after the prejudging Dorian is clearly in first and Kevin is leading Shawn by 4 points. now into the nightshow Shawn pulled off an amazing posing routine that he used when he won the Nationals awesome routine if you haven't seen it . his routine puts him ahead of Kevin for 2nd place and if I'm not mistaken Dorian didn't get straight firsts in the posing round but he still won them and finished in first .

Now the differece was 1994 was for second place Shawn was very lucky to beat Kevin Levrone and only did so by virtues of his posing. In  the physique portion of the contest he was actually trailing Kevin by 4 points , so the main difference is Shawn didn't beat Dorian in both the muscularity & symmetry rounds and then lost by a close margin in the posing rounds to lose by just 4 points according to the judges Dorian was clearly first and the battle was for second place .

Was Shawn the better overall package that night sure. but that doesn't have anything to do with , Lee Labrada was the better overall package than Lee Haney in 1990 and still lost you can't beat the champ on points you have to knock him out and Shawn was lucky to get a TKO on Levrone nevermind knock Dorian out. Shawn was lucky if he was 205lbs in that contest and Dorian was 262lbs thats almost a 60 pound advantage , Shawns good but he's not that good , if Flex Wheeler competed in the condition of the 1993 Olympia he would have stopped Dorian in 94 but not Shawn.

look at these quotes , they sum it up nicely. 2001 was very controversial 1994 wasn't .


quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."


" In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "

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All of your chat is worthless when you examine the visual evidence. Clearly dorian is a solid third in the top six; ronnie is actually better than jay.

When will you stop swallowing any crap the judges have to say? The pictures and vids speak for themselves.

Stop being so ignorant and naive.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bingo. Chuck in superior quads and you have what the pose essentially showcases. A weak chest is'nt particular evident in a front dbl bi but poor quads and arms (relative to coleman) are certainly evident.

Some might cling to abs and calves in this instance but in this particular pose, any shortcomings in those areas are more than compensated by mindblowing arms and upper legs

So you pick and choose what criteria the judges are looking for? or what is most important?    here is what the judges are looking for in this particular pose , while Ronnie has some very obvious strenghts so does Dorian its a lot closer than you think.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

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Clearly dorian is a solid third in the top six; ronnie is actually better than jay.

The standard excuse for this one is that Yates is so strong in back shots that it negates his inferiority from the front, to which I say it's obvious whether it's admitted or not that front shots are more important.

Yates getting *killed* in front shots, looking like an over-rated loser (again)..

[sculpture]

So you pick and choose what criteria the judges are looking for? or what is most important?    here is what the judges are looking for in this particular pose , while Ronnie has some very obvious strenghts so does Dorian its a lot closer than you think.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

I anticipated this would be your response. Predictable.

Note they will first assess the biceps. Looking for a peak which dorian doesnt have by any stretch of the imagination and also a split which again for dorian unfortunatly he lacks anything that might resemble what the judges are after.

Density dorian can have.

Definition - ronnie absolutly trounces dorian in this category. Looking at both men, you'd think ronnie had muscles dorian didnt such is his detail.

[NarcissisticDeity]

All of your chat is worthless when you examine the visual evidence. Clearly dorian is a solid third in the top six; ronnie is actually better than jay.

When will you stop swallowing any crap the judges have to say? The pictures and vids speak for themselves.

Stop being so ignorant and naive.

And your ' chat ' isn't worthless?   you're not a judge and you base your opinions on personal preference not on what the judges criteria . I don't because I personally like Flex Wheeler better than Ronnie but I understand why the judges picked Ronnie in 1998 I don't bitch when the judging doesn't go the way of my own personal preference ( or bias ) and the pics and vids supercede live in the flesh judging the day of the contest?   you're bias is just as obvious as the others , the judging works when its in Coleman's favor but when it works in Dorians it should be taken with a grain of salt? pure hypocrisy then again should I expect anything less from a typical Coleman fan.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I anticipated this would be your response. Predictable.

Note they will first assess the biceps. Looking for a peak which dorian doesnt have by any stretch of the imagination and also a split which again for dorian unfortunatly he lacks anything that might resemble what the judges are after.

Density dorian can have.

Definition - ronnie absolutly trounces dorian in this category. Looking at both men, you'd think ronnie had muscles dorian didnt such is his detail.

I love how you gloss over the rest of the criteria ( typical Coleman fan ) Ronnie can't match Dorian in forearms , calves , how about muscle balance & proportion?  Ronnie has better upper quad definition , how well defined are huis calves? oh we left that part out . again its a very good thing you're not a judge because you tend to fixate on what you like and think is more important .

[sculpture]

I love how you gloss over the rest of the criteria ( typical Coleman fan ) Ronnie can't match Dorian in forearms , calves , how about muscle balance & proportion?  Ronnie has better upper quad definition , how well defined are huis calves? oh we left that part out . again its a very good thing you're not a judge because you tend to fixate on what you like and think is more important .

What a surprise. Straight back to the calf and forearm argument. Refer to my eariler post where i state that despite ronnies shortcomings in these departments, he more tha compensates for his strengths elsewhere.

As for muscle balance and proportion (theyre the same thing you know), it comes down to preference. Shitty arms versus shitty calves. I know which is choose to have anyday.

i believe it was you who foolishly justified that by having strong bodyparts could somehow be contrived as a weakness and that yates shitty arms actually worked in his favour.

Bizarre

[pumpster]

What a surprise. Straight back to the calf and forearm argument.

Stock arguments:

-Yates calves and forearms compensate for serious deficiencies.

-Lighting

-Yates had lighter skin

-Examine the judges scoring!

And on and on..

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And your ' chat ' isn't worthless?   you're not a judge and you base your opinions on personal preference not on what the judges criteria

Add this to the previous list of excuses-all observations are now moot after all it's just "personal taste" to prefer bigger, better, more cut, better shaped and more aesthet!

[NarcissisticDeity]

What a surprise. Straight back to the calf and forearm argument. Refer to my eariler post where i state that despite ronnies shortcomings in these departments, he more tha compensates for his strengths elsewhere.

As for muscle balance and proportion (theyre the same thing you know), it comes down to preference. Shitty arms versus shitty calves. I know which is choose to have anyday.

i believe it was you who foolishly justified that by having strong bodyparts could somehow be contrived as a weakness and that yates shitty arms actually worked in his favour.

Bizarre

No not back to criteria that the judges are looking for as the sum of all parts equal the superior whole in this particular pose . and as far as mucsle muscle balance & proportion are conderned it isn't even close , sorry to burst your bubble sport , Dorian doesn't have shitty arms this is your bias overriding your objectivity his forearms are outstanding , his biceps are good and his triceps are great and the balance of the entire arm is a lot better than Colemans .

Strong bodyparts can be a weakness when they bring attention to much weaker ones , Ronnie has outstanding quads in terms of development and size and they scream " Hey look at how weak and undersized my calves are " so while you may not think so the judges do .

its a very good think you're not a judge .