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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7050 on: July 25, 2006, 12:11:11 PM »
Dorian is dry as hell and Ronnie is carry excess water , Dorian dominates when he's off and Ronnie just barely wins when he is .

And you wonder why ifbb judging is the pits?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7051 on: July 25, 2006, 12:54:08 PM »
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Dorian is dry as hell and Ronnie is carry excess water , Dorian dominates when he's off and Ronnie just barely wins when he is .

Apparently pics to the contrary don't matter-the cognitively challenged & tier-Bers need the same pics drilled into their skulls 30 or 40 times.. Yates is third or worse in many, not just a few of the frontal shots!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7052 on: July 25, 2006, 01:10:33 PM »
this physique dominates alright  ::)








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7053 on: July 25, 2006, 01:15:17 PM »
This one did  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7054 on: July 25, 2006, 01:32:06 PM »
So did this one.  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7055 on: July 25, 2006, 01:40:54 PM »
So while everyone else got better, he got worst, yet still won.

Real fair.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7056 on: July 25, 2006, 01:44:14 PM »
So while everyone else got better, he got worst, yet still won.

Real fair.


You don't see me arguing for 97 Dorian, do ya?  :'(
95 and 96 I agree with, however.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7057 on: July 25, 2006, 01:50:21 PM »
92 - unspectacular. Could of went to any of the tp three that year. unfortunate for the sport taht it went to yates

93 - dominated. New level of size and conditioning previously unseen.

94 - appaling. Off colour, visible stomach distension, bulging obliques. Oh and torn bicep. How much he changed in only a year. Sort of like the change during 92 and 93 only in reverse.

95 -better. Dry, similar to 93 but with torn arm

96 - showing age already. Physique degrading, gut widening, arms getting smaller (relative to torso).

97 - possibly the worst package ever presented to win bar franco and dickerson. Twiggish arms, more torn muscles, gut as big as ever, less quad flair, noticebly decreasing taper. Looks 50. No, actually looks nearer 55.  ;D

93, 95, 92, 94, 96, 97 in order probably.

3 years on, 3 years off

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7058 on: July 25, 2006, 04:16:51 PM »
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possibly the worst package ever presented to win bar franco and dickerson. Twiggish arms, more torn muscles, gut as big as ever, less quad flair, noticebly decreasing taper. Looks 50. No, actually looks nearer 55.

Yates: the Columbu of the 90s.. ;D ;D ;D



Below, a GLARING reminder of Yates' deficiency in triceps size, despite excellent cutz..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7059 on: July 25, 2006, 04:25:04 PM »
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this physique dominates alright

hahahahaahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7060 on: July 25, 2006, 04:29:10 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7061 on: July 25, 2006, 04:36:04 PM »
Yates: the Columbu of the 90s.. ;D ;D ;D



Below, a GLARING reminder of Yates' deficiency in triceps size, despite excellent cutz..

Coule be due to the fact that hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm he tor his tricep lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7062 on: July 25, 2006, 05:26:35 PM »

damn look at his arms in 1998 :o
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7063 on: July 25, 2006, 05:28:01 PM »
92 - unspectacular. Could of went to any of the tp three that year. unfortunate for the sport taht it went to yates

93 - dominated. New level of size and conditioning previously unseen.

94 - appaling. Off colour, visible stomach distension, bulging obliques. Oh and torn bicep. How much he changed in only a year. Sort of like the change during 92 and 93 only in reverse.

95 -better. Dry, similar to 93 but with torn arm

96 - showing age already. Physique degrading, gut widening, arms getting smaller (relative to torso).

97 - possibly the worst package ever presented to win bar franco and dickerson. Twiggish arms, more torn muscles, gut as big as ever, less quad flair, noticebly decreasing taper. Looks 50. No, actually looks nearer 55.  ;D

93, 95, 92, 94, 96, 97 in order probably.

3 years on, 3 years off

1992 he dominated 242lbs the biggest & dryest guy in the show
1993 set a new standard the judges didn't even call him out in the muscularity round
1994 off especially from 1993 but no one that night could beat him
1995 much like 1993 complete dominated the feild
1996 a tad more streamlined not his best showing better than 94 and clearly good enough to win
1997 very off should have lost huge and dry but torn bicep/tricep/quad and a blaoted gut apparently the judges thought he was good enough to win

94 - wasn't even close Shawn Ray wasn't going to beat him weighing some sixty pounds less , the only lighter competitor who could beat Yates was Flex and he was recovering from his accident

96 - people say Shawn again he was never going to beat Yates at his height & weight and he was off from 94 to boot Flex was off so he blew his chance

97 - very off I think he should have lost but his back litteraly bailed him out if Nasser had an equal back he would have beat him


Dorian's main competition

Flex Wheeler - the only legitimate competitior who could beat Dorian while not the biggest his overall package was outstanding and he was bigger than Ray

Shawn Ray - never a real threat he was simply to light he was born in the wrong era , he made claims of defeating Haney as well not in the era of the freak

Nasser El Sonbaty - could match or purpass Yates from the front by couldn't beat Yates from the side or back , his back was his major liability

Paul Dillett - Paul like Nasser couldn't handle Yates from the back add his inability to pose without violently shaking and hit or miss conditioning it easy to see why he couldn't place top 3

Kevin Levrone - on contest day you got either one of two Kevins smaller & shredded or big and smooth he never quite found his balance , under thr ight set of circumstances he may have given Yates a run for his money

So when you put his reign into context its easy to understand why he won with the exception of 1997


Put Ronnie's reign into context

1998 - very close contest he was very lucky they didn't choose Flex just based on his name but he looked fantastic

1999 - dominated the feild for the first time despite not being as sharp as 1998 but he was full Flex was lucky to place ahead of Cormier

2000 - huge but holding water his gut was now hanging out in all its glory many claim Kevin was the better man but he dominated with straight firsts

2001 - off huge and smooth gut hanging out and actually lost the symmetry & muscularity rounds , but won both the posing rounds , in all honesty he should have lost , a very controversial contest

2002 - like 2001 he was way off very small and looking like a shell of his former self gut again and Kevin was simply the better man , in all honesty he should have lost this one as well

2003  - redemption with two very close calls set a new standard for size & conditioning completly dominated the feild despite the gut

2004 - huge and very soft gigantic gut a step back after 2003 on paper it was close

2005 - a little more streamlined the gut was still present , Jay is closing in on him but no controversy in this show despite not getting straight firsts

out of his 8 titles, just 3 have been with straight firsts he's had a lot of close calls . 1998 he on by just 3 points , in 2001 by just 4 and in 2002 just 9 and in 2004 just 3he really hasn't dominated his competition in the same like Dorian has . he actually lost in a minor show in 2002 to Gunther something that hasn't been done since 1970 .

I personally think Ronnie should have lost twice in 2001/2002 he was off that much .


When Ronnie is off its due to his conditioning when he gets smooth he gets in real trouble . Dorian's problem wasn't with his conditioning it was his torn muscles even at his worse he still had striated glutes I honestly fel the only contest he should have lost was 1997 but what do I know? I'm not a judge .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7064 on: July 25, 2006, 05:29:13 PM »

damn look at his arms in 1998 :o

He was actually bigger in 97 he was 255lbs at the Olympia .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7065 on: July 25, 2006, 05:37:19 PM »
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Coule be due to the fact that hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm he tor his tricep lol

Is that why both look like shriveled raisins?  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7066 on: July 25, 2006, 05:39:56 PM »
All of your chat is worthless when you examine the visual evidence. Clearly dorian is a solid third in the top six; ronnie is actually better than jay.

When will you stop swallowing any crap the judges have to say? The pictures and vids speak for themselves.

Stop being so ignorant and naive.

this is what every has been saying for the last month.

ND doesn't give a shit what the pics and videos show.

He just looks at the scorecards.

The problem is, as the pics and videos clearly show - the scorecards were the whole issue.

How does a guy who has muscularity like this:





beat a guy who has muscularity like this:



in the muscularity round? ::)
It should NEVER have happened.

And the same can be said for the symmetry round.

The way 1994 was judged in terms of the physique rounds was attrocious.  All they cared about was bloated, watery, blotchy mass, with no regard for detail, shape, vascularity or quality.

In 2001 - it was judged the way everyone thought it should have been - it was close between Jay and Ronnie.

That did not happen in 1994.

ND- your whole argument about 1994 seems to rest on the scoring.

Can you not see by looking at the pics and youtube video (or your sticky-by-now 1994 tape) that the judges were clearly WRONG in their assertion that size beats quality?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7067 on: July 25, 2006, 05:41:13 PM »
Is that why both look like shriveled raisins?  ???

1997 raisins lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7068 on: July 25, 2006, 05:56:18 PM »
this is what every has been saying for the last month.

ND doesn't give a shit what the pics and videos show.

He just looks at the scorecards.

The problem is, as the pics and videos clearly show - the scorecards were the whole issue.

How does a guy who has muscularity like this:


beat a guy who has muscularity like this:



in the muscularity round? ::)
It should NEVER have happened.

And the same can be said for the symmetry round.

The way 1994 was judged in terms of the physique rounds was attrocious.  All they cared about was bloated, watery, blotchy mass, with no regard for detail, shape, vascularity or quality.

In 2001 - it was judged the way everyone thought it should have been - it was close between Jay and Ronnie.

That did not happen in 1994.

ND- your whole argument about 1994 seems to rest on the scoring.

Can you not see by looking at the pics and youtube video (or your sticky-by-now 1994 tape) that the judges were clearly WRONG in their assertion that size beats quality?



Wow you relly don't know what you're talking about , I mean really don't lol first I've posted more pics on this thread that all of you combined and most of the pics you've posted are my scans , again I have the 93/94 Olympias on tape and it wasn't close , in reality , on paper .

You're mistaken about 1994 from a ton of angles , one Dorian wasn't ' watery ' Dorian was dry as hell in 94 he had ripped glutes and even though his midsection was destended it was shredded , you need reference of a bodybuilding holding water see Ronnie on 00/01/02/04 and how can a 262 pound dry bodybuilder beat a 205 pound bodybuilder in the muscularity round? lmfao do you seriously want me to answer this? is this a trick question? come on whats the gag? you show one pose and claim superior muscularity? thats your trump card? you yourself complain in reference of bodybuilder who lacks width in comparsion to Ronnie yet a 205 pound Shawn Ray is going to out muscle Dorian in the latspreads ? the sidechest ? the back double biceps pose? the ab-thigh ? Shawn isn't even proportinatly big , hell look at Dexter who is the same height and weights 230lbs . you need to learn more about the judging criteria if you think a 205 pound bodybuilder is ever doing to beat one who is 262lbs .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7069 on: July 25, 2006, 06:03:42 PM »
Ronnie and Dorian say Can't we all just get along?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7070 on: July 25, 2006, 06:09:29 PM »
Here try making your case with some good pics  ;) here he is making Shawn look like a child . the real question is how did Shawn beat Levrone?  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7071 on: July 25, 2006, 06:13:01 PM »
Ronnie and Dorian say Can't we all just get along?

Whats ironic is thats exactly why I started this thread lol but Hulkster wasn't man enough . I did my part lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7072 on: July 25, 2006, 06:17:44 PM »
damn, ND - don't keep the man waiting . . .


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7073 on: July 25, 2006, 06:20:42 PM »
Whats ironic is thats exactly why I started this thread lol but Hulkster wasn't man enough . I did my part lol

I admire you both for your persistence. Have either of you considered a career in law? You both know how to argue your side that's for sure. lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7074 on: July 25, 2006, 06:28:09 PM »
damn, ND - don't keep the man waiting . . .



And Ronnie is waiting for you lol you know your role .