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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7075 on: July 25, 2006, 06:30:59 PM »
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Is that why both look like shriveled raisins?

Do we have to go through this AGAIN just to get some honesty from ND, whose denials are starting to look like mentally challenged? Tris look HORRID EXCEPT FROM THE SIDES thanx to some deficiencies..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7076 on: July 25, 2006, 06:32:11 PM »
Ass shot awaits ND's perusal/enjoyment & possibly more.. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7077 on: July 25, 2006, 06:33:10 PM »
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Whats ironic is thats exactly why I started this thread lol but Hulkster wasn't man enough . I did my part lol

I admire you both for your persistence. Have either of you considered a career in law? You both know how to argue your side that's for sure. lol

Getbig's Johnny Cockring-no substance but non-stop blathering & unsubstantiated denials. Facts be damned..hahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7078 on: July 25, 2006, 06:38:07 PM »
Getbig's Johnny Cockring-no substance but non-stop blathering, facts be damned..hahahahah

Your facts? lol the fact that Ronnie can compensate size-wise for his gut despite bebing 23lbs lighter? is that a pumpster-fact? those should be damned

and when I post facts isn't it you and Hulkster say they don't mean anything?  ??? wtf ? facts be damned? just like its a fact according to you that Ronnie can compensate size-wise for his gut despite being 23 pounds like than Dorian?

Oh how about your fact that Ronnie can be off and still dominate the competition despite winning by just 4 points lol facts you say?

shall I continue with ' pumpster-facts ' ? no you're right those should be damned lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7079 on: July 26, 2006, 02:48:41 AM »
Let's see if ND or cognitively challenged SUCKMYMOMMA'SCUN T get these..

  Wow...the same pics, for the gazillionth time. Nice going, Poop! T
he funny thing is that you post shots of Dorian at his worst, and that is supposed to "prove" something... ::) I though we were comparing them at their best? In any case, I can do the same with your John, and post shots where he looks like a preganat crack-whore. Chek out Ronnie's twig arms on the second shot. ;D Enjoy... ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7080 on: July 26, 2006, 02:53:19 AM »
SUCKMYMOMMA'SCUN T solidifying an air-tight case for Coleman with impressive shots of Coleman! Thanks man! SUCKY, how do these two compare? hahhahahahahahahahaah

  You're kidding, right, Poop? In this pic, Ronnie is holding water, has flat muscles, horrible taper, a distended gut and no separations whatsofuckingever. And he is only 240 lbs. Seriously, all that deep-throating of Ronnie's dick has made you blind and brain-damaged, due to oxygen deprivation.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7081 on: July 26, 2006, 03:10:27 AM »
  Wow...the same pics, for the gazillionth time. Nice going, Poop! T
he funny thing is that you post shots of Dorian at his worst, and that is supposed to "prove" something... ::) I though we were comparing them at their best? In any case, I can do the same with your John, and post shots where he looks like a preganat crack-whore. Chek out Ronnie's twig arms on the second shot. ;D Enjoy... ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7082 on: July 26, 2006, 03:40:00 AM »
Wow you relly don't know what you're talking about , I mean really don't lol first I've posted more pics on this thread that all of you combined and most of the pics you've posted are my scans , again I have the 93/94 Olympias on tape and it wasn't close , in reality , on paper .

You're mistaken about 1994 from a ton of angles , one Dorian wasn't ' watery ' Dorian was dry as hell in 94 he had ripped glutes and even though his midsection was destended it was shredded , you need reference of a bodybuilding holding water see Ronnie on 00/01/02/04 and how can a 262 pound dry bodybuilder beat a 205 pound bodybuilder in the muscularity round? lmfao do you seriously want me to answer this? is this a trick question? come on whats the gag? you show one pose and claim superior muscularity? thats your trump card? you yourself complain in reference of bodybuilder who lacks width in comparsion to Ronnie yet a 205 pound Shawn Ray is going to out muscle Dorian in the latspreads ? the sidechest ? the back double biceps pose? the ab-thigh ? Shawn isn't even proportinatly big , hell look at Dexter who is the same height and weights 230lbs . you need to learn more about the judging criteria if you think a 205 pound bodybuilder is ever doing to beat one who is 262lbs .

So you're saying size is more important than balance and shape. You're a joke, you've changed your grounds pretty embarassingly here.

e.g. Should a 270-280 pound Art Atwood beat a 230 (or previously as low as 215) pound Dexter Jackson? Well he's got a huge back and small arms with 60 pounds more weight.........

Bigger isn't better, as I thought you understood since you've been saying it for 287 pages.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7083 on: July 26, 2006, 03:56:04 AM »
92 - unspectacular. Could of went to any of the tp three that year. unfortunate for the sport taht it went to yates

93 - dominated. New level of size and conditioning previously unseen.

94 - appaling. Off colour, visible stomach distension, bulging obliques. Oh and torn bicep. How much he changed in only a year. Sort of like the change during 92 and 93 only in reverse.

95 -better. Dry, similar to 93 but with torn arm

96 - showing age already. Physique degrading, gut widening, arms getting smaller (relative to torso).

97 - possibly the worst package ever presented to win bar franco and dickerson. Twiggish arms, more torn muscles, gut as big as ever, less quad flair, noticebly decreasing taper. Looks 50. No, actually looks nearer 55.  ;D

93, 95, 92, 94, 96, 97 in order probably.

3 years on, 3 years off

  Ronnie:

1996 Canada Pro Cup - His best shape ever. 260 lbs, very separated, with great density. Taper not as good as at the 1998 Olympia, but muscularity is spectacular.

1997 Mr.Olympia - Gets defeated by a Dorian Yates who has torn muscles and a distended midsection. Ronnie is holding water, smaller than in previous contests and has terrible separations. Standing next to Dorian during one of the call-outs, looks like "nothing but a peanut", as Dorian is 20 lbs heavier, with greater fullness and incomparably superior density.

1998 Olympia - Second best Ronnie form ever. Very dry - although not on Dorian's league in this regard -, with his highest degree of muscle separations and striations ever. His taper is at his best, and his abdominal definition, which was never outstanding, is now almost as good as Dorian's. His only shortcomings are his relative lack of thickness on his chest and back, and also of density. But at only 249 lbs, perhaps this should be expected. A great showing, nevertheless.

1999 Olympia - 257 lbs. Comes in with greater fullness and density than at the previous year's Olympia, but not as sharp. His front quadriceps, latissimus, rhomboids and teres major shows clearly decreased separations in relation to his previous Olympia form. His abdominal shows less crispness and separations and also the begginings of a distension. His serratus are barely visible and also thicker than at the previous showing. All things considered, Ronnie is no better than at the previous Olympia, although not much worse either.

2000 Olympia - Too big. Holding water. Little abdominal separations and distended midsection. Fullness is actually worse than at the previous Olympia and not better than that of 1998. Ronnie's major shortcoming, at this contest, was his overrall lack of hardness.

2001 ASC - Great showing. Super-dry. Posesses fantastic taper and, for the only time ever, has an abdominal-and-thighs shot that comes close to Dorian's. Fullness is superior to 1998 and almost comparable to 1999. My only criticism is that I think Ronnie was lacking a little in muscularity and density, being only 242 lbs. Great showing, in any case.

2001 Olympia - Not criticizing Ronnie, at this showing, reveals immidiate bias: he is extremely flat, water-logged, has a distended midsection and his muscularity is at it's all time worse. When turning to the back, even his hmastrings, which always had astounding separations, are holding water. His calves are as pathetic as usual. His latissimus are narrower than at his previous showings and his christmas-tree is almost completely hidden. When it omes to thikness, even Dorian's 1992 version destroys him. Ronnie's worst showind ever. Won due to protocol and posing routine.

2002 Olympia - Almost as bad as in the previous year, only with a slightly improved taper. Is holding water and is lacking in fullness and density. His back double biceps mandatory is at it's worst ever. If it weren't fro his great back lat spread and good taper from the front - not from the sides, where his gut distension is apparent -, would have lost the contest. A pathetic showing, although perhaps good enough for a reigning Mr.Olympia to retain his title - which was definitely not the case in the previous Olympia, when he was so bad that not even protocol should have saved him.

2003 Olympia - This contest is overrated for several reasons. The only great thing about Ronnie, at this contest, was his muscularity, which was undoubtedly incredible. Nevertheless, his abdominals were far less separated than in his 1998/9 forms and his gut was even more distended than at the previous Olympia. His front quadriceps and upper back details, which were phenomenal in 1998/9, were now just as bad as in 2001/2. His calves were even more of a liability, when compared to his gigantic quads. And furthermore, Dorian still had a thicker middle back and his lats were just as wide as Ronnie's, despite being 30 lbs ligher. Yet, Ronnie added some 40 lbs of muscle, so his muscularity compensates for his decreased separations, at least to some degree. I have already written several very long posts about Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia, in respsonse to PF, explaining why muscularity is not the only criteria that should win contests. Nevertheless, in the single criteria of muscularity, and despite his many, many severe flaws in ohter areas, Ronnie was impeccable. I still think he should have lost due to his grotesque assymetries, but I give him major props when it comes to sheer muscular size.

2004 Olympia - His worst showing, besides the 2001 Olmpia. His gut distension, which was already grotesque in 2003, became absolutely appalling in 2004. At 296 lbs, Ronnie is a water-buffalo, and is holding more water than the Mississippi River dam. He has practically no muscular details at all, when standing relaxed on the symmetry round. His width on the rear lat spread is only comparable to that of his previous Olympia, but with far less details. Ronnie should have lost this contest for several reasons: his gut distension is so extreme as to be unacceptable, he lacks density and dryness, and he almost looks alike an off-season bodybuilder. On conditioning alone, Ronnie should have lost the contest: what's the point of big musles if you lack the separations to display them? His gut distension makes him lose the symmetry round flat out - just like it should have, at the 2003 Olympia. An appalling display for any bodybuilder, let alone to a standard-bearer.

2005 Olympia - His best showing in years. Almost as musular and dense as in 2003, but with better separations and a trimmer waistline. I think he deserved to win. His back shots are still incredible - although Cutler has now a comparable back double biceps, and his abdominal-and-thighs, always one of his weak points, was actually very good - even if not on Dorian's league. I think there were better bodybuilders on the symmetry round, but he improved himself dramatically on this category in relation to 2003, and especially in relation to 2004. A very good showing.

  I conclusion, Ronnie should have lost in 2000/1/2/4. 2003 is debatable: should incredible muscularity compensate for extreme symmetrical and qulaity weaknesses everywhere else? I don't think so. In any case, 2003 is open to deabate, because Ronnie clearly lost rhe symmetry round and his distended midsection and decreased separations actually worsened him on several of the mandatories(abs-and-thighs, side tris, side chest, back double biceps and the rear lat spread.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7084 on: July 26, 2006, 04:12:03 AM »
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I conclusion, Ronnie should have lost in 2000/1/2/4. 2003 is debatable:

As you still don't comprehend, Ron's so far ahead that even at less than his best, he's still got an edge over Jay.

Yates on the other hand, was often the 3-4th best guy on stage from the front-disturbingly mediocre & tier-B.. :P

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7085 on: July 26, 2006, 04:23:37 AM »


 what's the point of big musles if you lack the separations to display them?



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7086 on: July 26, 2006, 06:38:07 AM »
Nah ronnie definetly deserved 2003 an 2000.

2003 - because he was simply leagues ahead of his peers and set an unseen standard in muscularity combined with conditioning. This is unequivocal. His form may not be to everyones liking (including myself) but its all too clear he was the winner

2000 - Massive, holding water but the muscularity was there. Insane taper and upper body mass. Infact in certain shots he looked ridiculous. Even if he wasnt as sharp as previous years, no one in the contest was close. No one.

1998, 99, 2000, 2003, 2005 - clear winner

2001, 2004 - debatable.

2002 - definetly shouldnt have won that year. smallest he's been, and flatest he's been. His front double bi was appaling.

For me 5/6 of his 8 victories have been deserved.

Yates - 3/6.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7087 on: July 26, 2006, 07:37:49 AM »
Nah ronnie definetly deserved 2003 an 2000.

2003 - because he was simply leagues ahead of his peers and set an unseen standard in muscularity combined with conditioning. This is unequivocal. His form may not be to everyones liking (including myself) but its all too clear he was the winner

2000 - Massive, holding water but the muscularity was there. Insane taper and upper body mass. Infact in certain shots he looked ridiculous. Even if he wasnt as sharp as previous years, no one in the contest was close. No one.

1998, 99, 2000, 2003, 2005 - clear winner

2001, 2004 - debatable.

2002 - definetly shouldnt have won that year. smallest he's been, and flatest he's been. His front double bi was appaling.

For me 5/6 of his 8 victories have been deserved.

Yates - 3/6.

  Nope. Ronnie definitely lost in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004. 2003 is debatable, because while his muscularity was spectacular, his balance and misection were too terrible. My analyses was more profound, intelligent and detailed than yours, so I win. No way Ronnie won in the years I mentioned, dude. Get over it. He won only due to protocol. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7088 on: July 26, 2006, 07:49:12 AM »
  Nope. Ronnie definitely lost in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004. 2003 is debatable, because while his muscularity was spectacular, his balance and misection were too terrible. My analyses was more profound, intelligent and detailed than yours, so I win. No way Ronnie won in the years I mentioned, dude. Get over it. He won only due to protocol. ;)

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Your analyses are more profound, intelligent and detailed than mine, so YOU WIN?

How old are you? Seven?

Some of your posts have been epic. Have they automatically ensured your victory?

Hell no. Especially when its paragraphs on end of rhetoric you've spouted ad nauseum to little effect.

Well if in the years you mention, ie 2000 and 2004, ronnie should of lost just who should of won?

2002 - a case for levrone and levrone only.

2001 - jay cutler bu he got dq'd.

2000, 2004?


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7089 on: July 26, 2006, 07:53:28 AM »
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  Nope. Ronnie definitely lost in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004. 2003 is debatable

Try something new SUCKMYDICK-a stab at objectivity. Do that by starting with a list of Yates' undeserved wins, which are far more glaring as the Columbu of the 90s.

GO AHEAD START THERE..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7090 on: July 26, 2006, 09:07:42 AM »
what's the point of big musles if you lack the separations to display them?









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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7091 on: July 26, 2006, 09:53:03 AM »
Yeah sucky shot himself in the foot on that one. Note how his posts are "profound, intelligent and detailed".

The man's credentials speak for themselves.

Purportedly he has a high iq and is mensa affiliated, yet he lacks the perception to realize that he's posting either:

morphed pics, or

pics that undermine his entire argument.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7092 on: July 26, 2006, 10:22:15 AM »
More 1999 Mr. Olympia pics of Ronnie








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7093 on: July 26, 2006, 01:04:14 PM »
Are you suggesting that maybe Coleman's just a tad better?  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7094 on: July 26, 2006, 01:15:13 PM »
  Nope. Ronnie definitely lost in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004. 2003 is debatable, because while his muscularity was spectacular, his balance and misection were too terrible. My analyses was more profound, intelligent and detailed than yours, so I win. No way Ronnie won in the years I mentioned, dude. Get over it. He won only due to protocol. ;)

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haha your's was longer and more boring, lol.

In 2003 Jay was half ronnie's size and flat with no back btw, so quit suggesting anyone else could have won that show.  ::)

2000 you obviously haven't seen the pics?!?!? Again Levrone half his size with no legs. No chance.

My analysis is less thorough but more true so I win.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7095 on: July 26, 2006, 03:20:35 PM »
suckmyasshole's analysis of 1999 is way off.

Ronnie's front quads were more seperated than at ANY OTHER POINT IN HIS CAREER (with the possible excetion of the Arnold Classic).

How do you get better than this:


Sucky: look at these quads. They are near perfect.

and his serratus and intercostals were most certianly SHARP:



I believe that Ronnie's 1999 showing was better than his 1998 showing.

Why?

Increased fullness (made his arms, quads, chest and taper look much better) and above all: CUT QUADS.

Ronnie's quads in 1998 were lacking in seperation as compared to 1999.

Compare the look of these double bi shots:



Ronnie's increased fullness (and added size) makes him look better in the 1999 shot.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7096 on: July 26, 2006, 03:27:02 PM »


not exactly sure why Sucky thinks Kevin should have beaten Ronnie in 2000.

Kevin was good, but only his 1992/4 form could really beat Ronnie in 2000.

And neither form was even close to what he displayed in 2000.

He got killed in the front double bi (just look at how bad he is getting owned!), both front and back lat spreads, back double bi etc.

He wins the ab and thigh, side tri.

side chest was pretty even at that contest.

And of course, no one beats Ronnie in the most muscular.

Kevin lost fair and square, even though Ronnie was not in superb shape.

The fact is, neither was Kevin.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7097 on: July 26, 2006, 03:31:52 PM »
Ronnie's best overall olympia appearences:

1. 1999




2. 1998




3. 2003



4. 2000




5. 2005



6. 2004




7. 2001




8. 2002




(I thought this post was relevant to the discussion) 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7098 on: July 26, 2006, 03:53:05 PM »
Hey hulkster thats actually my order of preferance except i'd switch 2001 and 2004 around.

98 could easily be swapped with 99.

Looking at that 2003 shot. Its unbelievable, the definition, vascularity, seperation. Mindblowing.

2005 was pleasant to see, in that it was an improvement over 2004 by miles.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7099 on: July 26, 2006, 04:11:37 PM »
Let's get this straight: anyone think Yates is anything other than a solid tier-B in this comparison? hahahahah