Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's gut was symmetrical you dolt

Dorian had a gut AND a missing bicep

Ronnie's calves were missing 

And one of Dorian's biceps were shorter than the other 

[nicorulez]

Pobrecito, you are fucking dreaming.  I was at the show and Haney beat Dorian quite easily.  He would have kicked his ass again in 1992.  Now, I agree, that in 1993 he would have had to bring a whole other package to win, but who's to say.  Regardless my friend, unless you were there (and I was in the front ten rows), it was Haney's show.  Even ND would admit this.  He even agrees with me about 1992.  We both agree about 1993; Dorian would have been tough to beat for anyone (Ahnold, Sergio, Ronnie, Haney, etc). The man was a beast in 1993.  Very dense and muscular. 

[pobrecito]

Pobrecito, you are fucking dreaming.  I was at the show and Haney beat Dorian quite easily.  He would have kicked his ass again in 1992.  Now, I agree, that in 1993 he would have had to bring a whole other package to win, but who's to say.  Regardless my friend, unless you were there (and I was in the front ten rows), it was Haney's show.  Even ND would admit this.  He even agrees with me about 1992.  We both agree about 1993; Dorian would have been tough to beat for anyone (Ahnold, Sergio, Ronnie, Haney, etc). The man was a beast in 1993.  Very dense and muscular. 

I still fail to see how a bodybuilder can win the muscularity round yet lose the contest, it makes no sense. The same thing happened in 2001. At least in 1994, Dorian still won the muscularity contest.

[pobrecito]

Pobrecito, you are fucking dreaming.  I was at the show and Haney beat Dorian quite easily.  He would have kicked his ass again in 1992.  Now, I agree, that in 1993 he would have had to bring a whole other package to win, but who's to say.  Regardless my friend, unless you were there (and I was in the front ten rows), it was Haney's show.  Even ND would admit this.  He even agrees with me about 1992.  We both agree about 1993; Dorian would have been tough to beat for anyone (Ahnold, Sergio, Ronnie, Haney, etc). The man was a beast in 1993.  Very dense and muscular. 

how did Haney win quite easily? Dorian was more muscular, better conditioned (especially in the lower back where haney was watery) and he beat him from the back - Haney's one main advantage over his competition in prior years. Haney was gifted the 91O and knew it - and accordingly retired.

[IceCold]

in dorian's first book, he states that haney deserved to win.  dorian thought that haney had a thicker chest and his presentation was better.  yates would have won in 92 if haney competed.


about dorian's and ronnie's conditioning.


ronnie also had a shit load of striations.  even when he first turned pro.

dorian is harder and dryer than coleman.  coleman has more straitions.  which is better?  eye of the beholder.  where coleman may have some striations, yates is fuller and harder.  for instance the hamstrings.  


one thing is for certain.  coleman has lost some seperation and straitions as he got bigger.  yates maintained the same level of superior conditioning throughout his career - even as he got bigger.  


in 2003 ronnie was huge, but the 93 or 95 yates was also huge (not quite as big as ronnie) but any size advantage ronnie has over dorian, is completely irrevlevant bc dorian has SUCH an edge on condition.  he would have made ronnie look really soft.  who would the judges awarded the win?  who knows, but i think dorian had the edge.  at 260 and being in that condition is really amazing.  yates outconditioned the bigger guys (nasser, fux, ian harrison, and you can also include the 2003 version of coleman) and he outsized the guys that were close to his condition - shawn ray.

[pobrecito]

Dorian wins this pose, irrefutably..

[alexxx]

Dorian wins this pose, irrefutably..

Close but not in Haney's league.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I still fail to see how a bodybuilder can win the muscularity round yet lose the contest, it makes no sense. The same thing happened in 2001. At least in 1994, Dorian still won the muscularity contest.

There are four rounds in a IFBB professional mens contest the prejudging - symmetry , muscularity rounds. and the nightshow includes freeposing and the posedown.

now the contest is almost always won in the prejudging extremly rarely does anyone win in the nightshow.

so while its very possible to lose one of the prejudging rounds and still winthe contest , but the example of the 2001 Mr Olympia NO other Mr Olympoia winner ever went into the nightshow trailing by 6 points to win the the whole show by 4 points .

so while in 1991 Haney lose the muscularity round he still won the symmetry & posing rounds. but up until that point no one ever outmuscled Haney at his own game , Dorian did make a dent in Haney's armor but it was pretty clear Haney won .

[IceCold]

dorian won the muscularity round at the 91 Olympa.  1st time anyone ever did that to haney.  

[suckmymuscle]

Pobrecito, you are fucking dreaming.  I was at the show and Haney beat Dorian quite easily.  He would have kicked his ass again in 1992.  Now, I agree, that in 1993 he would have had to bring a whole other package to win, but who's to say.  Regardless my friend, unless you were there (and I was in the front ten rows), it was Haney's show.  Even ND would admit this.  He even agrees with me about 1992.  We both agree about 1993; Dorian would have been tough to beat for anyone (Ahnold, Sergio, Ronnie, Haney, etc). The man was a beast in 1993.  Very dense and muscular. 

  No, you're wrong, dimwitt. As the commentator said when Dorian was posing:"He's like a Haney, but with better legs." Dorian should have won in 1991. I mean, he won one of the two most important rounds(muscularity), and, even though Haney ad a better V-taper, which made him win the symmetry round, the difference was so small that Dorian could probbly have taken it. Dorian, imself, said that Haney had him on pec thickness and posed better, and that was why he won. The fact that you think Haney would have won against the 1992 Dorian, despite his vastly improved taper and conditioning - Dorian was starting to nail his conditioning by then, which would culminate in his 1995 and 1996 showings, which were the best graininess ever seen on a bodybuilding stage -, goes to show that you're biased against Dorian. Just admit it!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Ronnie's gut was symmetrical you dolt

Dorian had a gut AND a missing bicep

  I am assuming you're joking. Right? "Symmetrical"?! Wtf?! His gut distension completely took away from his symmetry when standing relaxed and completely destroyed him in the two mandatories which are evaluated from the sides - the side chest and side triceps. You are a biased moron.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

in dorian's first book, he states that haney deserved to win.  dorian thought that haney had a thicker chest and his presentation was better.  yates would have won in 92 if haney competed.


about dorian's and ronnie's conditioning.


ronnie also had a shit load of striations.  even when he first turned pro.

dorian is harder and dryer than coleman.  coleman has more straitions.  which is better?  eye of the beholder.  where coleman may have some striations, yates is fuller and harder.  for instance the hamstrings.  


one thing is for certain.  coleman has lost some seperation and straitions as he got bigger.  yates maintained the same level of superior conditioning throughout his career - even as he got bigger.  


in 2003 ronnie was huge, but the 93 or 95 yates was also huge (not quite as big as ronnie) but any size advantage ronnie has over dorian, is completely irrevlevant bc dorian has SUCH an edge on condition.  he would have made ronnie look really soft.  who would the judges awarded the win?  who knows, but i think dorian had the edge.  at 260 and being in that condition is really amazing.  yates outconditioned the bigger guys (nasser, fux, ian harrison, and you can also include the 2003 version of coleman) and he outsized the guys that were close to his condition - shawn ray.

Striations are genetic and not really an indication of overall conditioning , Ronnie had striated glutes in 2001 yet he was holding water in other areas in his body. and Dorian more striations in his lowerlats & lower back than Ronnie , as well as the intercostals/obliques and showed crisper detail in his serattus/abdominals .

In order to full see the development of the muscles you need extreme conditioning so no intramuscular or sub-q fat obscures the muscles from being shown to their maximum effect . Dorian set new standards for size & conditioning again his conditioning has been described as having tissue paper for skin and having his skin painted directly on raw muscles , so conditioning was never a problem for Yates.

[pobrecito]

There are four rounds in a IFBB professional mens contest the prejudging - symmetry , muscularity rounds. and the nightshow includes freeposing and the posedown.

now the contest is almost always won in the prejudging extremly rarely does anyone win in the nightshow.

so while its very possible to lose one of the prejudging rounds and still winthe contest , but the example of the 2001 Mr Olympia NO other Mr Olympoia winner ever went into the nightshow trailing by 6 points to win the the whole show by 4 points .

so while in 1991 Haney lose the muscularity round he still won the symmetry & posing rounds. but up until that point no one ever outmuscled Haney at his own game , Dorian did make a dent in Haney's armor but it was pretty clear Haney won .

who gives a shit about posing - unless you are Paul Dillet and cannot hold a pose without going into a seizure it does not matter.

Symmetry, ok, give the nod to Haney due to better taper, but was he really more symmetrical than Yates? NO.

Muscularity...ok, now this is what bodybuilding is all about. Having the most muscle in all the key bodyparts while still looking good overall. Haney lost to Dorian here and therefore should have lost the contest.

[pobrecito]

Close but not in Haney's league.

let's see:

#1) Dorian better conditioned
#2) Dorian better calves
#3) Dorian better hamstrings
#4) Dorian more detailed back

both are equal on arms, and haney has a bigger chest and smaller waist. Big whoop. Dorian is more muscular overall. This is bodybuilding

[pobrecito]

Haney's legs were pathetically small .....he's lucky his main competition was a 150lb flea labrada

[pobrecito]

Again, Dorian showing much more detail in the midsection compared to Lee, especially in the obliques..

[pobrecito]

Dorian better on the side-tri too...

[NarcissisticDeity]

None of your pics are showing up   

[pobrecito]

None of your pics are showing up   

well they are all your scans

[pobrecito]

anybody know what contest this is from?? Levrone is owning

[Matt C]

If Dorian had a smaller waist, I think this debate would be more reasonable.  His complete lack of a taper (relatively speaking - compared to the competition of his day and to Ronnie) makes this debate pretty silly in my opinion!

Dorian was great, but he would look small and blocky next to Ronnie.

[pobrecito]

Q: So one may ask, how did Coleman's belly get so bloated?















A: he got pregnant after jay raped him

[NarcissisticDeity]

If Dorian had a smaller waist, I think this debate would be more reasonable.  His complete lack of a taper (relatively speaking - compared to the competition of his day and to Ronnie) makes this debate pretty silly in my opinion!

Dorian was great, but he would look small and blocky next to Ronnie.

You're under this mistaken idea that the guy with the smallest waist and best taper is the automatic winner it doesn't work like that lol Arnold had a wider waist than Sergio , Franco vs Zane , Samir had a wider waist than Makkawy , Yates vs Wheeler & Ray , while it certainly helps its NOT a prerequsite.

And Dorian 1993 vs Ronnie 98/99 isn't going to be looking small next to Ronnie.

[Matt C]

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[pobrecito]

Some ironagers would say that lol!

I don't get what this fascination is with Ronnie in 1998 or 1999.  Yes, his shape and symmetry was at a personal best, but in 2003, not only was his shape and symmetry very good by competitive bodybuilding standards, but his size was insane!!

I have to give it to Dorian on calves and dryness, but Ronnie's conditioning is equal in a different way.  Dorian and Ronnie both have reprehensible midsections, but Dorian has better abs where Ronnie has more mass to compensate for his gut and make it more forgivable (although guts should rarely, if ever, be forgivable).  Dorian's lats originate closer to his waist and create a more pleasing lat span in many poses (abs and thigh), but Ronnie's sheer mass beat Dorian's in some other poses (most muscular).

I do think Dorian at his best would probably be among Ronnie's best competition, but I would have to give the edge to Ronnie, by virtue of sheer size, which I feel outweighs Dorian's strengths over Ronnie.

I have to admitt...I thought you were just a "Coleminiac"...but this is an excellent post. I agree 100%