Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

dorian did.  every year that they competed against each other. flex called dorian 'untouchable' in 93. he never said that about ronnie. 

so now your opinon is more valid that flex's regarding guys HE competed against vs. pics and vids that you look at???

Oh give me a break! Flex made that comment 13 yrs ago before Ronnie reached his prime. Obviously if Dorian was the best at that time, he would seem untouchable. I seem to recall almost every bodybuilder unanimously agreed Ronnie in 03 was unbeatable.

[IceCold]

Ronnie said that Dorian was huge and Dorian's grandmother told Ronnie's uncle that he would beat him in 92' if his carb loading would have went better and then ronnies sister said that Dorian had a better back then Ronnie.

but, Dorian said that Ronnie's arms were better than Dorians so that means that Dorian admitted he wasn't as good but Ronnies aunt thinks that Dorian is better so it's a tie.

well put. 

[IceCold]

Oh give me a break! Flex made that comment 13 yrs ago before Ronnie reached his prime. Obviously if Dorian was the best at that time, he would seem untouchable. I seem to recall almost every bodybuilder unanimously agreed Ronnie in 03 was unbeatable.

i think ronnie in 03 was his best year. 

he looked off in 04 at 295.  dont know why he'd try to come in as heavy this year.  time will tell.

[suckmymuscle]

Congratulations, you completely missed the crux of my post! I wasn't comparing who looks better in an abs-and-thighs pose.

  Sorry, but the argument that "he isn't flexing", which you used, was obviously refering to the abs-and-thighs pose. So, I posted a comparison between Dorian's abs-and-thigh from the 1996 Olympia to Ronnie's same shot from the 2004 O, at which Dorian simply destroys the pregnant bastard. I could have used a pose from the 1998 Olympia and the result would be the same, because Ronald's midsection was never on Dorian's league, even when he was actually lighter than Diesel.

 My point is that your arguments are weak. You repeatedly posts the worst pics of Ronnie you can find in a lame attempt to "prove" Dorian is better. Only a dolt such as yourself can rationalize how this makes for a compelling argument. When someone responds with an even worse pic of Dorian and beats you at your own game, you ignore it like it never happened.

  Please, don't make me laugh! All you've been doing since you joined this discussion - very late, might I add -, is posting pics of Dorian from the 1994 Olympia and then comparing it to a 1998 or 1999 Ronnie! Pot...cattle...black. You go on and on about Ronnie in his 2003 form, bragging about his muscularity and how it would be too much for Dorian to handle. But when I point out the obvious symmetrical liability that he had that year, his midsection, you throw a hissy fit and go on ad nauseum about how Ronnie's taper was better. Never mind that "taper" doesen't mean anything when your gut looks like that of a pregnant woman or someone carrying an alien queen inside his midsection. Like Ronnie did, in 2003. So, let's stop the hypocrisy: if you choose Ronnie 2003 s his best form, then you have to acknowledge that he was symmetrically flawed; you just can't brag about his muscularity alone, buddy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

sucky, having better abs does not mean you have better shape than someone if your arms, delts, chest, quads, waist and taper are ALL not nearly as shapely.

  "Shape" is subjective. I can argue that Dorian's entire midsection had a better "shape" than Ronnie's. I have always conceded that Ronnie's muscles have a fuller appearance than Dorian's, and that the latter's relative flatness was one of his major weaknesses.

  Personally, I think Dorian's pectoralis and latissimus have a better shape than Ronnie's. Dorian's chest always had cross-striations in them, even in 1997, when he was over 270 lbs. Where is the chest most judged and evaluated? At the side chest mandatory. Now, Ronald himself has conceded that Dorian had the best side chest ever, so not even your idol believes that he has a better chest than Dozer. I personally think Arnold takes that trophy, but that's only my opinion.

  As for the arms, I only agree with you when it comes to biceps. Obviously, Dorian had the better triceps and forearms. So, saying that Ronnie has better overrall arms is not a reasonable statement. When it comes to latissimus, teres major and erectores, I think Dorian's are better, too. Ronnie only matched Dorian for lat width at the 2003 Olympia, and yet Dorian still had the thicker christmas-tree. Ronnie's back had more details than Dorian's at the 1998 Olympia, but Dorian's back was wider and thicker, and his lower back was dryer.

  Check out the thickness and striations that Dorian had on his chest, and the side most dominant side triceps of any Mr.Olympia ever.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

no, I think about how if Shawn, Ronnie and Flex all had faced Dorian while at their peaks with proper, unbiased-by-not-being-friends-with-Peter-McGough-judging, Dorian would been fourth!

  But Hulkster, Ronnie is friends with head judge, Jim Manion. What do you have to say about that? If you argue that politics played a role in Dorian winning Sandows, then it goes both ways. As for Peter McGough, he's on record for hving said that the 2001 ASC Ronnie had the best physique he's ever seen, so you can't accuse him of being biased.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

awesome lat spread

  Not quite as good as good as this...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Even in his 1991 form, Ronnie's MM is light years ahead of Dorian's

  No, completely wrong. Dorian's MM destroys the one you posted: thicker chest with more striations, greater density and dryness and thicker delts.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

The inevitability of Yates' trouncing & over-ratedness has now been hammered home. ND especially sulked away beaten like the downcast pussy she always was. SUCKY can go back to worshiping his Yates posters and make occasional, ineffective efforts to stem the tide.

  You know what I think is ineffective, Pumpster? Your lame attempts at presenting an argument, by posting the same 3 or 4 Dorian pics from the 1994 Olympia to a 1999 Coleman, and then claiming that he was "overrated" . And the amazing thing is that, even then, at his worst, Dorian is still thicker and dryer than the 1999 Coleman.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

You're a fucking dick head 

  And since you're a pussy, we're a perfect fit for each other...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Sorry, but the agument that "he isn't flexing", whih you used, was obviously refering to the abs-and-thighs pose. So, I posted a comparison between Dorian's abs-and-thigh from the 1996 Olympia to Ronnie's same shot from the 2004 O, at which Dorian simly destroys the pregnant bastard. I could hve used a ose from the 1998 Olympia and the result would be the same, because Ronald's midsection was never on Dorian's league, even when he was actually lighter than Diesel.

Again you missed the point. I never compared who looks better in an abs-and-thighs pose. In fact, I readily admit Dorian had better abs. My point was that your argument skills are pathetic. You keep posting the worst shots of Ronnie you can find to 'prove' Dorian was better. The discussion is which bodybuilder would win in a contest against each other at their respective primes. So why do you insist on using pics of Ronnie from 04? By the way, I posted a pic of Ronnie beating your ab-and-thighs shot of Dorian.

Please, don't make me laugh! All you've been doing since you joined this discussion - very late, might I add -, is osting ics of Dorian from the 1994 Olympia and then comparing it to a 1998 or 1999 Ronnie! Pot...cattle...black. You go on and on about Ronnie in his 2003 form, bragging about his muscularity and how it would be too much for Dorian to handle. But when I point out the obvious symmetrical liability tht he had that year, his midsection, you throw a hissy fit and go on ad nauseum about how Ronnie's taper was better. Never mind that "taper" doesen't mean anything when your gut looks like that of a pregnant woman or someone carrying an alien queen inside his midsection. Like Ronnie in 2003. So, let's stop the hypocrisy: if you choose Ronnie 2003, then you have to acknowledge that he was symmetrically flawed; you just can't brag about his muscularity, buddy.

First, I didn't join this discussion late. I posted on page 19. This thread is 357 pages. I hardly consider that joining "late." Second, I have not been using only pics of Dorian in 94. The majority of pics I have posted of Dorian are from 93 and 95. In fact, I recieved a few compliments for using good pics of Dorian in my comparisons. I've done my best to keep this discussion as fair as possible but people like you shit on my efforts. Third, I have always acknowledged Ronnie's symmetrical imbalances. So you can stop pretending like I'm a hypocrite. I still maintain that asymmetrical, unbalanced arms are worse than unbalanced calves. Furthermore, 03 Ronnie had a 20 lb weight advantage to compensate for his midsection. 95 Dorian's midsection was just as bad except he lacked the muscularity to compensate for it.





SUCKMYDICK

[Hulkster]

one thing dorian was not was overrated. 

no not at all

Even in 93:


he still had weak arms and quads compared to other pros.

If there is anything that his thread has established beyond all doubt, its that Dorian was overrated from the front at the very least.

You don't have a taper with a wide waist, poorly shaped arms, delts, chest, quads, poorly detailed arms, quads and chest and yet be a 6 time Mr. Olympia WITHOUT  being overrated from the front.


no way. Look at this 93 shot for example.

Great detail in one pec.  Poor arms, extremely poor extended and flexed quad.

This is a 6 time Mr. O here - and he has flaws in MAJOR bodyparts (arms and quads).

I don't buy the argument that having poor calves and not so great abs isame as having poor arms and quads.


why?

because with flaws in MINOR parts you can still look like this on stage:















with dorian's major flaws, you look like THIS:









only a fool would not be able see the distinction..

[nicorulez]

Sucky, my man ... LOL ... you couldn't resist the urge to post.  I am going to go out on a leap.  They are both good.  Peace guys.  I can't believe we are almost up to 400.

[WiseGuy]

for the last time,





YES!

that second pic seals it....that is the best picture ever of ronnie....NOBODY has looked that good...and I like Dorian...


ronnie looks perfect...huge cut and rock hard and his calves though not fully shown look monstrous

lights out

 

[pumpster]

This is rich..SUCKY on another thread claiming that Yates being white wasn't an advantage, whereas being black is...on what planet hahahaahahahahahahahahah ahah

I always said politics played a part in Yates' extreme good fortune dumbass; only you would misinterpret that.

"Faulty logic"? How about you saying that Dorian only won the Olympia due to politics? This despite the fact that Dorian is both British and White. From a PR perspective, you can't go more wrong than "choosing" a White Ango-Saxon - from Britain, another country! - to represent your sport; it is far more politically correct to "choose" a Black national.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73618.msg1346571#msg1346571

[healthiswealth]

nicorulez, you are one dumb motherf*cker, conforming to suckmymuscle's posts like that. Wow, i have more respect for a rock.

[nicorulez]

How am I conforming.  We had a beef and axed it.  We have communicated and I understand his stance.  I don't necessarily agree with it, but at least we can debate it on friendly terms.  I don't care much for the negativity of this thread, and I also really appreciated Dorian in 1992/1993.  I completely agree with Hulkster that he looked like ass in 1994/1997.  However, where we disagree is that I think Dorian in 1993 was unbelievable.  I dig Ronnie, but honestly, anyone with eyes can appreciate how good Yates was in 1993.  Give the man his props.  My conforming as you call it is total bullshit.  If you notice, at least the tone of the thread has gotten somewhat more lighthearted without the excessive name-calling.  When I posted about Sucky above, it was because he said he was not going to post.  He got ticked that the thread did not die; thus, he defended his guy.  BFD.  I guess you figure if you take a side in this debate and then at least try to mend fences with the opposition you are conforming.  Have I said Yates should beat Ronnie at his best.  No I did not.  However, I do agree that Yates at his best was unbelievable.  Thus, believe what you want dude.

[IceCold]

sucky,

      they (hulkster and pumpster) cant even read.  the fact that they repeatedly say that yates is overated, automatically discredits anything that they say based on pure stupidity.  its one thing to say that ronnie would beat dorian, but another to say that he is underated. 

hulkster thinks that just bc yates' thighs werent very seperated and his biceps arent that good means he is overated when he dominated everybody on mass and conditioning. 

like i asked you to do earlier hulkster.  post pics of ANYONE that would beat dorian in most of the mandatories.  you never did. and a 205 pound shawn ray wont cut it (look at history). 

who cares about the most muscular really.  it isnt even a mandatory pose.  yes, ronnie beats dorian on that and you continually post that ONE pic.  but you dont post side triceps, lat spread, abs and thigh, or front lat spread. you post pics from ONE of dorian's olympias (94) or the 96 english grand prix.

the one pic you post from 93 (the most muscular) you claim sucks.  how the arms, quads, chest, everything is bad.  but that is THE only phsyque EVER that was not called out during the muscuarlity round to be judged - dorian was that dominant.  if that isnt good enough for you, then please tell me what is. (and dont post some pic from the 99 english grand prix where even jeff 'box' long looks incredible). 

hulkster, you always rag on dorian's chest.  it is big, hard, and seperated with cross striations.  why do you continually say how bad it is? 

[IceCold]

with dorian's major flaws, you look like THIS:

or this:










quads look fine to me. 






nice try hulkster. 

[suckmymuscle]

This is rich..SUCKY on another thread claiming that Yates being white wasn't an advantage, whereas being black is...on what planet hahahaahahahahahahahahah ahah

I always said politics played a part in Yates' extreme good fortune dumbass; only you would misinterpret that.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73618.msg1346571#msg1346571

  Have you ever heard the expression:"political correctness" you retarded guy? The worst thing any corporation/sports team/organization can do is to have a White Anglo-Saxon at it's head. That reinforces the stereotype of "white privilege", etc. So, you arguing that politics played a role in Dorian winning his Sandows makes no fucking sense. Furthermore, he's British, hile most bodybuilding fns are American; hence, it is more marketable to have an American than a foreigner as the standard-bearer. To make it even worse for your cause, consider that most Mr.Olympias have been Black. Did "politics" play a role in Lee Haney, Sergio Oliva, Serge Nubret, etc, becoming champions? By your own logic, they should never have become standard-bearers, since they're Black. Seriously, Pumpster, you're so stupid that it's not even worth arguing with you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: You're most definitely Black. I don't buy it for one secnd that you're White.

[suckmymuscle]

If there is anything that his thread has established beyond all doubt, its that Dorian was overrated from the front at the very least.

You don't have a taper with a wide waist, poorly shaped arms, delts, chest, quads, poorly detailed arms, quads and chest and yet be a 6 time Mr. Olympia WITHOUT  being overrated from the front.

no way. Look at this 93 shot for example.

Great detail in one pec.  Poor arms, extremely poor extended and flexed quad.

This is a 6 time Mr. O here - and he has flaws in MAJOR bodyparts (arms and quads).

I don't buy the argument that having poor calves and not so great abs isame as having poor arms and quads.

  Too bad you don't show the pics from 1999 which clearly shows Ronnie's increased gut distension that he had in relation to the previous year. I'm sorry, sport, but here is Dorian at a similar bodyweight, but with a  flat stomach, etched serratus and abdominals nd a better taper - oh, and vastly superior hardness and dryness, too.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Too bad you don't show the pics from 1999 which clearly shows Ronnie's increased gut distension that he had in relation to the previous year. I'm sorry, sport, but here is Dorian at a similar bodyweight, but with a  flat stomach, etched serratus and abdominals nd a better taper - oh, and vastly superior hardness and dryness, too.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Ronnie's midsection in 99 was fine:



and his quads in the ab and thigh pose were far far far far far better.  Hell, knowing the judges, they'd probably give Ronnie the pose over dorian because of this (remember Dexter ala 2004)?

secondly, "better taper"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Sucky, you have gone off the deep end.

[kyomu]

  Too bad you don't show the pics from 1999 which clearly shows Ronnie's increased gut distension that he had in relation to the previous year. I'm sorry, sport, but here is Dorian at a similar bodyweight, but with a  flat stomach, etched serratus and abdominals nd a better taper - oh, and vastly superior hardness and dryness, too.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Dorian had had big gut since he started competed in O.
If you have really huge quads,you always have a gut.
I have never seen BBer without big gut.
Even Shawn has. But he sucks in or always flexing tight.
Thats why people dont talk about it.
My gut grow since I did heavy squat and had big legs.

[pumpster]

who cares about the most muscular really.  it isnt even a mandatory pose.  yes, ronnie beats dorian on that and you continually post that ONE pic.  but you dont post side triceps, lat spread, abs and thigh, or front lat spread. you post pics from ONE of dorian's olympias (94) or the 96 english grand prix.

Oh sure, the MM is nothing really, so what if Yates is crushed..

You've obviously not paid attention at all, given the huge numbers of shots that have proven that Coleman's side tri is almost as good while at the same time having far more size, that his lat spread is as good or better given the superior taper (always with greater lat width + smaller waist from the front), that while Yates has the edge on six-pack Coleman always has the smaller waist width (more important, IMO).

[Hulkster]

sucky,

      they (hulkster and pumpster) cant even read.  the fact that they repeatedly say that yates is overated, automatically discredits anything that they say based on pure stupidity.  its one thing to say that ronnie would beat dorian, but another to say that he is underated. 

hulkster thinks that just bc yates' thighs werent very seperated and his biceps arent that good means he is overated when he dominated everybody on mass and conditioning. 

like i asked you to do earlier hulkster.  post pics of ANYONE that would beat dorian in most of the mandatories.  you never did. and a 205 pound shawn ray wont cut it (look at history). 

who cares about the most muscular really.  it isnt even a mandatory pose.  yes, ronnie beats dorian on that and you continually post that ONE pic.  but you dont post side triceps, lat spread, abs and thigh, or front lat spread. you post pics from ONE of dorian's olympias (94) or the 96 english grand prix.

the one pic you post from 93 (the most muscular) you claim sucks.  how the arms, quads, chest, everything is bad.  but that is THE only phsyque EVER that was not called out during the muscuarlity round to be judged - dorian was that dominant.  if that isnt good enough for you, then please tell me what is. (and dont post some pic from the 99 english grand prix where even jeff 'box' long looks incredible). 

hulkster, you always rag on dorian's chest.  it is big, hard, and seperated with cross striations.  why do you continually say how bad it is? 

1. the most muscular is most certainly a mandatory pose. It has been for a few years now.

2.  the fact that dorian has a terrible one showcases the fact that his arms  and pecs are not that great. It showcases his lack of muscle shape in these areas,, unlike Flex and Ronnie. Also, as we have seen from the 93 shot standing next to sonny, his quads were smooth smooth smooth. It is a very important poses since if you have a not so great upper body, you can't hide it (unlike dorian's hiding of his quads during the ab and thigh by flexing his CALF only)

3. I can and have posted Ronnie shots that beat Dorian in every pose, with the exception of two: the side tri and ab and thigh.

Even the front lat spread was better than Dorian in 98 and 00 (see the NOC lat spread or watch the 99 video again- ronnie hits a front lat spread during his routine that crushes anything Dorian every presented - dorian's front lat spread, as we have seen, was wide but smooth smooth smoooth. Ronnie's as seen in the 99 clip was just as wide but with DETAIL everywhere.)

if that isnt good enough for you, then please tell me what is.

this would be good enough: A Mr. Olympia who looks more like these two (with excellent muscle shape and detail):





rather than looking like THIS:



a dominant Mr. O. should be shapely and detailed. Not looking like a refridgerator.