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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8800 on: September 10, 2006, 07:26:36 AM »
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P.S: You're most definitely Black. I don't buy it for one secnd that you're White.

here we go again.. ::)

Just because we know how to apply traditional bodybuilding standards and prefer this:



over this:



we must be black. Right ::)

Does that mean that ALL the getbiggers who chose Ronnie in the poll are ALSO BLACK?

HEY GUYS! Guess what?  YOUR ALL BLACK!!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8801 on: September 10, 2006, 12:34:27 PM »

Just because we know how to apply traditional bodybuilding standards and prefer this:



or this



its ok for ronnie to have smooth quads, but not dorian?








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8802 on: September 10, 2006, 12:46:34 PM »
1. the most muscular is most certainly a mandatory pose. It has been for a few years now.

2.  the fact that dorian has a terrible one showcases the fact that his arms  and pecs are not that great. It showcases his lack of muscle shape in these areas,, unlike Flex and Ronnie. Also, as we have seen from the 93 shot standing next to sonny, his quads were smooth smooth smooth. It is a very important poses since if you have a not so great upper body, you can't hide it (unlike dorian's hiding of his quads during the ab and thigh by flexing his CALF only)

3. I can and have posted Ronnie shots that beat Dorian in every pose, with the exception of two: the side tri and ab and thigh.

Even the front lat spread was better than Dorian in 98 and 00 (see the NOC lat spread or watch the 99 video again- ronnie hits a front lat spread during his routine that crushes anything Dorian every presented - dorian's front lat spread, as we have seen, was wide but smooth smooth smoooth. Ronnie's as seen in the 99 clip was just as wide but with DETAIL everywhere.)

this would be good enough: A Mr. Olympia who looks more like these two (with excellent muscle shape and detail):





rather than looking like THIS:



a dominant Mr. O. should be shapely and detailed. Not looking like a refridgerator.





i forgot that the most muscular was added to the mandatories in 03.  my mistake. 

the crab most muscular shot of dorian is not one of his better shots. however, the other most muscular pose (think kevin levrone) i feel is fine.  not the shapiest, but that really doesnt matter.  you prefer the guys who have more shape and detail.  i dont.  shape and detail are not the only criteria for winning.  plenty of bbers have won shows without having great shape and detail. 



remember, hulkster, this dorian is the  ONLY person who was not called out in a musuclarity round during a mr. o.  THIS is the pic from the contest.  history has proven you wrong. 


the front lat spread is a tough one.  both are good, but in no way do i think coleman completely dominates yates in that pose.  that would never happen.  ronnie's midsection and calves really affect that pose.  yates also has bigger and thicker lats, but coleman has better arms.  delts are even.  coleman with flex his chest during this pose and it kinda throws it off a bit.  its like he is deliberately hunching over to flex his pecs vs. expanding his torso by throwing his shoulders back, like dorian does.



dorian's quads look fine here.  i have never seen coleman display his sartorius muscle (not that a huge deal).  for whatever reason, i just think dorian's flows a bit better than coleman's.

rear lat spread.  i think dorian has the edge.  lower lats, better calves.  his hams arent as ripped as coleman's but are fuller.  which is better?  one pose in which arms dont matter.  dorian's back is also dryer.  but, again, very close between the two. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8803 on: September 10, 2006, 12:48:17 PM »
when Ronnie is in shape his quads have never been smooth.


when dorian was in his greatest shape ever:


his quads were smooth. not to mention his arms.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8804 on: September 10, 2006, 12:49:32 PM »
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plenty of bbers have won shows without having great shape and detail. 

like who?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8805 on: September 10, 2006, 12:50:59 PM »
Oh sure, the MM is nothing really, so what if Yates is crushed.. ::) ::) ::)

You've obviously not paid attention at all, given the huge numbers of shots that have proven that Coleman's side tri is almost as good while at the same time having far more size, that his lat spread is as good or better given the superior taper (always with greater lat width + smaller waist from the front), that while Yates has the edge on six-pack Coleman always has the smaller waist width (more important, IMO).


lat spread is very tough to judge.  both are extremely close, imo.

i havent seen one side tri shot were ronnie is anywhere near dorian.  ronnie is nothing special from the side, where as that is dorian's strength (well, one of them).  dorian's arms also look better in the side tri.  not just his bigger and better tricpe (coleman's is so thin), but the forarms too.  not to mention the calves and better midsection.  not even close.  

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8806 on: September 10, 2006, 12:51:18 PM »
when will this thread die

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8807 on: September 10, 2006, 12:53:28 PM »
when Ronnie is in shape his quads have never been smooth.


when dorian was in his greatest shape ever:


his quads were smooth. not to mention his arms.

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i never said that dorian had better quads or arms than coleman. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8808 on: September 10, 2006, 12:58:49 PM »
like who?

just off the top of my head:

markus ruhl - winning the 2002 NOC and 2000 toronto show where he beat dexter.

gunter - winning the 2002 GNC show against your hero.

nasser - virutally ever pro win he had, including his last; the 99 AC vs. levrone and cormier

francois - all of his victories, some of which came against Flex in his prime in 93 and 94

jay cutler - blocky guy beats smaller guys with better shape and detail (cormier and dexter) for 3 years in a row in the AC

tom prince - overall win at the 97 nationals

branch warren - his pro victories beating darrem charles

dorian - whenever he competed

wow, worst owning ever.  thanks hulkster.   ;D
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8809 on: September 10, 2006, 01:03:30 PM »

a dominant Mr. O. should be shapely and detailed. Not looking like a refridgerator.





says who?  you? hahahahaha.

since when are YOU the authority on ANY type of judging related to a bbing contest?????

you are not different than anyone else with just an opinion. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8810 on: September 10, 2006, 01:07:27 PM »
hulkster,

         would you consider kevin levrone overrated?


well, he has smooth arms and quads (especially later in his career), no back or calves.  has never had striations in his pecs and one of them is torn. 


based on your claims, on dorian and using the same logic, kevin is also overrated. 


please tell us who else is overrated based on your criteria.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8811 on: September 10, 2006, 01:49:02 PM »
i havent seen one side tri shot were ronnie is anywhere near dorian.  ronnie is nothing special from the side, where as that is dorian's strength (well, one of them).  dorian's arms also look better in the side tri.  not just his bigger and better tricpe (coleman's is so thin), but the forarms too.  not to mention the calves and better midsection.  not even close.

What the hell are you talking about? Ronnie's side tri pose in 03 was just as good, if not better, than Dorian's. Ronnie had thicker pecs from top to bottom. Dorian always looked like he had tits when he hit this pose. Ronnie's delts were larger and his triceps had striations. Dorian never had striated triceps. Ronnie also had better separation in his legs.





You think Ronnie is nothing special from the side? Ronnie destroys Dorian in the side chest just like Dorian is getting destroyed in this pic. By the way, both pics of Dorian are from 95 (considered by many his best year). ;)




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8812 on: September 10, 2006, 04:47:12 PM »
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         would you consider kevin levrone overrated?

considering he made the top 6 in 2003 looking like this:


late in his career- absolutely he was overrated. he got by on name impact. Later in his career, as you can see here with him standing beside two guys he beat, he had no lower body.

early on in his career - probably  not:




although it his true his back was not on par with Ronnie and Flex, and his biceps were not so great.

but his triceps and delts had such a great shape from them, that, UNLIKE dorian, his arms still looked great even if his biceps were not that great.

ps Kevin's pecs were striated.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8813 on: September 10, 2006, 09:51:19 PM »
What the hell are you talking about? Ronnie's side tri pose in 03 was just as good, if not better, than Dorian's. Ronnie had thicker pecs from top to bottom. Dorian always looked like he had tits when he hit this pose. Ronnie's delts were larger and his triceps had striations. Dorian never had striated triceps. Ronnie also had better separation in his legs.





You think Ronnie is nothing special from the side? Ronnie destroys Dorian in the side chest just like Dorian is getting destroyed in this pic. By the way, both pics of Dorian are from 95 (considered by many his best year). ;)






from that pic, absolutely not.  dorian's legs are just as seperated, esp. on the sides.  did you forget about the calves?

also, dorian's midsection is better, so are his forearms.  ronnie's tri's are soooo narrow. 

ronnie looks great on the cover of MD - eventhough they are known to have morphed their pics.  regardless of that is true. 

did you notice the gyno ronnie has?  dorian never had it. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8814 on: September 10, 2006, 09:58:33 PM »
ronnie's hamstrings from the sides are absolutely rediculous - no one has ever had hammies like that

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8815 on: September 10, 2006, 10:40:16 PM »
ronnie's hamstrings from the sides are absolutely rediculous - no one has ever had hammies like that

just in case you werent kidding.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8816 on: September 11, 2006, 02:21:37 PM »
that red X has impressive Hams!
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8817 on: September 11, 2006, 03:13:01 PM »
I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but just in case you can't view the image there actually is a red X in the background.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8818 on: September 11, 2006, 03:16:43 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8819 on: September 11, 2006, 04:08:07 PM »
yeah buddy


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8820 on: September 11, 2006, 04:10:45 PM »
offseason


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8821 on: September 11, 2006, 04:11:25 PM »
99 best ever


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8822 on: September 11, 2006, 04:50:48 PM »


those 99 shots show the main difference between 93 dorian at 257 and 99 ronnie at 257- aesthetics (for a big guy) and good individual muscle shape.


compared to Ronnie, Dorian had an ugly physique. sorry, but tis true.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8823 on: September 11, 2006, 06:58:55 PM »
That side tri from Dorian is fucking awesome. That's one of the few poses he would beat Ronnie in.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8824 on: September 11, 2006, 07:00:41 PM »
That side tri from Dorian is fucking awesome. That's one of the few poses he would beat Ronnie in.

yeah, but its still ugly :)
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