Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

Wrong again! Dorian's biceps were world-class, although definitely his weakest bodypart.

THEY ARE NOT WORLD-CLASS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THAT ONE PIC ABOVE IS CLEARLY MORPHED-THE SIZE IS ABOUT TWICE AS IN ANY OTHER CONTEST SHOT. PLUS THEY HAVE HORRIBLE SHAPE PERFECT FOR SUCKY.

[Shockwave]

THEY ARE NOT WORLD-CLASS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THAT ONE PIC ABOVE IS CLEARLY MORPHED-THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT BIG IN ANY OTHER PIC.

Meltdown.

[pumpster]

Meltdown.

Now-predictable buzzword from a getbig clone. 

[IceCold]

THEY ARE NOT WORLD-CLASS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THAT ONE PIC ABOVE IS CLEARLY MORPHED-THE SIZE IS ABOUT TWICE AS IN ANY OTHER CONTEST SHOT. PLUS THEY HAVE HORRIBLE SHAPE PERFECT FOR SUCKY.

those pics are so not morphed.  how would they be?  its not like they are that impressive and they look about the right size relative to the pics. 

i dont agree with the statement that dorian's biceps are world class.  sure, he was, but not his biceps.  that would be like saying just because coleman is world class so are his triceps, abs, and calves. 

[pumpster]

those pics are so not morphed.  how would they be?

Just as any are. Exercising common sense, compare their size to the size of his skull in all pics.

In that one pic, one arm is also noticably bigger than the other-bigger than even an injury would explain.

[Hulkster]

I don't understand why people say Dorian had bad arms, when in reality only his biceps weren't great.

you don't?

Here is why:

his arms lack world class shape, vascularity and size compared to the rest of his physique:


1992

1993

1995

every year, his arms sucked compared to guys like this:





that is why people say Dorian had bad arms.

Kevin is interesting in that like Yates, his biceps were not so great by themselves. 

but UNLIKE Yates he had such a great shape to his triceps and delts that his arms looked great from most angles. Dorian tris looked good from one angle only (the side) and then disappeared in every other angle:

[IceCold]

contests arent decided on arms alone.


if they were lee priest would win every year.  (if he actually showed up and didnt stiff the promoter).

[IceCold]

one of the best arm shots of yates.  compariable with all most anyone on arms alone.  let alone the mass and conditioning. 

[Hulkster]

contests arent decided on arms alone.

don't take a page out of ND's old tired and flawed book..

of course contests are not won on arms alone.

contests are not one on anything in isolation

they are won by establishing a series of advantages via physical attributes that combine to give a superior physique.

and when it came to a large and important bodypart like arms, a lot of people had an advantage on Dorian..

just another piece of the argument that dorian won because mainly because of size- that was first and foremost on the judges agenda.

he did not win by having better quality.

[NeoSeminole]

no dorian does not loose that pose.  are you an idiot?  saying yates is holding water and his back lacks seperation?  even hulkster would not even say such stupid remarks. 

did you even see the picture of the REAR lat spread. arms arent much of a focal point for that pose.  did you see the striations in the dorian's glutes?  quad sweep in the rear lat spread?  does you mother know what an idiot you are? 

you still failed to mention anything about coleman's calves in that pose?  once again, you leave out anything against coleman and just point to dorian. 

Yes, the pic of Dorian you posted still loses the rear lat spread. Dorian's back is holding water compared to Ronnie's. Dorian's back lacks separation. His traps seem to blend with his lats and his 'christmas tree' isn't pronounced. Dorian's glutes and hamstrings aren't striated like Ronnie's. Dorian lacks quad sweep to balance his legs with his upper body. Also, his arms look weak from behind. I concede Ronnie's calves are a liability so I won't penalize Dorian for his arms.





* Woohoo I am the 9000th post!!!

[IceCold]

you don't?

Here is why:

his arms lack world class shape, vascularity and size compared to the rest of his physique:


Kevin is interesting in that like Yates, his biceps were not so great by themselves. 

but UNLIKE Yates he had such a great shape to his triceps and delts that his arms looked great from most angles. Dorian tris looked good from one angle only (the side) and then disappeared in every other angle:

flex virtually had no vascularity.  hence, so many people labled his body as 'pretty'.  (vs.dillet and the chest vains).

dorian's tri only looked good from one angle - the angle that counts - side tricep pose.  does it really matter like in the front double bi or back double bi about the triceps.  not really. that's why its called 'front double BICEPS' (not triceps).  by the way which dorian's triceps look fine in the back double bi.  

and UNLIKE dorian, no one looked like him in the side tricpe pose.  tricep and forearms included.  

in case you didnt know, triceps and forarms make up 2/3  of the arm muscles.  

[pumpster]

contests arent decided on arms alone.

This is just backpeddling from one fallback position to the next, as required.

one of the best arm shots of yates.  compariable with all most anyone on arms alone.

That's what's called hiding your weaknesses-in that position anyone's arms look ok. His arms look "ok" there - hardly what you expect of a "great". 

The comparison is a joke, even in a pose that downplays Yates' weakness.

In addition to a huge size and shape deficit, Yates has *no* arm refinement or cuts; nothing, in stark contrast to other parts of his physique.

[IceCold]

Yes, the pic of Dorian you posted still loses the rear lat spread. Dorian's back is holding water compared to Ronnie's. Dorian's back lacks separation. His traps seem to blend with his lats and his 'christmas tree' isn't pronounced. Dorian's glutes and hamstrings aren't striated like Ronnie's. Dorian lacks quad sweep to balance his legs with his upper body. Also, his arms look weak from behind. I concede Ronnie's calves are a liability so I won't penalize Dorian for his arms.

the pic you posted clearly shows ronnie is holding more water.

one thing is absolute, ronnie has never been as dry and as hard as yates.  in any year.  98 was close.

how can you not see the striated glutes?  dorian does not give himself a wedgey in to show them.

[IceCold]

This is just backpeddling from one fallback position to the next, as required.

That's what's called hiding your weaknesses-in that position anyone's arms look ok. His arms look "ok" there - hardly what you expect of a "great". 

The comparison is a joke, even in a pose that downplays Yates' weakness.

the only phsyque that was not called out during the prejuding in the history of the contest.  that alone makes it 'great' vs. your expert opinion. 

[Hulkster]

does it really matter like in the front double bi or back double bi about the triceps.  not really.

just like calves are not important during back poses...

[pumpster]

the only phsyque that was not called out during the prejuding in the history of the contest.  that alone makes it 'great' vs. your expert opinion. 

More ND-type backpeddling-reciting history has nothing to do with this, we already know.

[Hulkster]

the only phsyque that was not called out during the prejuding in the history of the contest.  that alone makes it 'great' vs. your expert opinion. 

all that tells us is that the judges were so in awe of his size (257 pounds - a record at the time) that they did not care about anything else. Not shape. Not cuts. Not refinement. Nothing.

this is bad judging. period.

[NeoSeminole]

the only phsyque that was not called out during the prejuding in the history of the contest.  that alone makes it 'great' vs. your expert opinion.

Sergio Oliva is the only person to win the Mr. Olympia unopposed (no one else bothered to show up). Although he is my favorite bodybuilder, even I admit he is not the best Mr. Olympia of all time. Your comment means nothing since Dorian never had to compete against 03 Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

the fact that dorian was not even compared in the prejudging to physiques as good as Shawn and Flex were that night does not tell us how dominant Yates was.

It tells us how bad the judging was.

The essence of bodybuilding competition is based on comparisons.

And in the muscularity round of the 1993 Olympia, this was abandoned.

Says a lot about the thoroughness of the judging now doesn't it?

[pumpster]

Although he is my favorite bodybuilder, even I admit he is not the best Mr. Olympia of all time.

Still arguable; i'd take Sergio or Schwarzenegger over Yates and it wouldn't be close.

[Shockwave]

Now-predictable buzzword from a getbig clone. 

Seriously. Take a step back and look at what you wrote. It reads like you're screaming at your monitor, red faced, desperatley hoping that the picture in question has been morphed. Obviously you simply can't stand the fact that there is a single possibility, somehow, of a decent picture of Dorian's bicep.
Tard.

[pumpster]

It reads like you're screaming at your monitor, red faced, desperatley hoping that the picture in question has been morphed.

DEAL WITH REALITY; YOUR EXCUSES ARE AS PATHETIC AS HIS ARMS.

[Shockwave]

DEAL WITH REALITY; YOUR PATHETIC RATIONALIZATIONS FOR HIS ARMS DON'T FLY.

Think back, this isn't hard.
When have you read any rationaliztions about his arms, from me?
Deeerrrrr.

[pobrecito]

the fact that dorian was not even compared in the prejudging to physiques as good as Shawn and Flex were that night does not tell us how dominant Yates was.

It tells us how bad the judging was.

The essence of bodybuilding competition is based on comparisons.

And in the muscularity round of the 1993 Olympia, this was abandoned.

Says a lot about the thoroughness of the judging now doesn't it?

well, that's because Dorian drawfed Flex and Shawn carrying up to 55lbs more pure muscle than Ray and 35lbs more muscle than Flex.

[Hulkster]

well, that's because Dorian drawfed Flex and Shawn carrying up to 55lbs more pure muscle than Ray and 35lbs more muscle than Flex.

yup. and this is the difference in quality:




 

Bodybuilding contests should never be based upon wieghts and numbers.