Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

arent we all internet fan boys?

[nicorulez]

arent we all internet fan boys?

Agreed IceCold.  Guys, haven't we hashed this shit out about two hundred pages ago.  Let this shit die.  Some prefer Ronnie; some prefer Dorian.  BFD, it is a hypothetical contest that will only occur on internet threads and people's imaginations.  Both were good; I think we can all agree on this.  Thus, no matter who you prefer, you gotta give the other guy major props for being so incredible.  Even now, fifteen years after his first Mr. Olympia, people are comparing Dorian to Ronnie.  That tells you that for his time, Dorian was damn good.  Consider this, put Zane up against Dorian.  No contest.  Some, I am included, feel that an in shape Ronnie would win, but damnit it would be a hell of a show.  Thus, give Doz his due.  He attained a level of muscularity and conditioning that is still difficult for todays bodybuilders to achieve.  The man was sentinel; he caused a paradigm shift in how bodybuilders were expected to look.  Ronnie, he is the missing link and confirmation of Charles Darwin's theories of evolution.  He is absolutely insane; I concur with Sucky that even twenty years from now it may be difficult to find a bodybuilder more muscular.  Give the man his props.  Overall, the two best bodybuilders of a generation by far.  Peace all.

[Hulkster]

Back double biceps? Yes, and I've already posted a pic of Dorian destroying Coleman in triceps mass and cuts there

please post it again - cause I have never seen any back double bi of Yates thas shows triceps that look better than Ronnie's:





this I have got to see
Yates arms usually look like this:


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with his unique, invisible triceps..


look at that. no muscular delineation at all it looks like he has no triceps muscle from the back...

[IceCold]

dorian's tri's are clearly visible in that pic against nasser from the 97 O. 

do triceps really matter that much in the BACK DOULBE BICEPS pose?

not nearly as important as calves in that pose. 

[Hulkster]

dorian's tri's are clearly visible in that pic against nasser from the 97 O. 

yes.

Here is a better pic of the same shot:


another shot of Yates' triceps from the back:



and they are crappy
 


ronnie's tris are so good they practically hang off his arms from the back

[Necrosis]

i hate to say this but what is wrong with the dorian fans, it is clear ronnie is superior, the pictures dont lie. post each mandatory from whatever year you think that pose looked the best and compare side by side. it will be evident ronnie is better, get over it you homos, dorian should have won zero o's in my opinion. the ugliest physique ever!

[pumpster]

do triceps really matter that much in the BACK DOULBE BICEPS pose?

not nearly as important as calves in that pose. 

Triceps don't matter, calves do? In that case nothing matters. 

Jesus, Yates is getting killed in this shot..

[pumpster]

And in this one..I smell tier-B..

[pumpster]

Overwhelmed..HTF did he win more than once or twice, aside from politics?

[NeoSeminole]

Nicorulez, the reason this discussion won't end is b/c Sucky and ND keep avoiding direct comparisons of both Dorian and Ronnie at their respective bests. They either use pics of Dorian during his Olympia reign standing next to a pre-prime Ronnie or post the worst shots of Ronnie they can find. Sucky has even taken this idiocy one step further by comparing pics of Dorian flexing to Ronnie standing relaxed. This discussion will never be resolved until they agree to play fair. This discussion is "which Mr. Olympia would win in a contest against each other at their respective primes?"

[pumpster]

what is wrong with the dorian fans, it is clear ronnie is superior, the pictures dont lie

A fine blend of denial & delusion..esp. ND & SUCKY...

[Hulkster]

i hate to say this but what is wrong with the dorian fans, it is clear ronnie is superior, the pictures dont lie. post each mandatory from whatever year you think that pose looked the best and compare side by side. it will be evident ronnie is better, get over it you homos, dorian should have won zero o's in my opinion. the ugliest physique ever!

agree with much of that.

i hate to say this but what is wrong with the dorian fans, it is clear ronnie is superior,

fucked if I know. I have been wonder this since page one!

[IceCold]

Triceps don't matter, calves do? In that case nothing matters. 

Jesus, Yates is getting killed in this shot..

how do you figure?

not only is dorian wearing less oil and his tan aint that good, but his back seperation and thickness is so above whatever shawn and nasse have. 

so not only are dorian and haney 'tier b olympians', now yates is getting beat from the back??

[pumpster]

Nicorulez, the reason this discussion won't end is b/c Sucky and ND keep avoiding direct comparisons of both Dorian and Ronnie at their respective bests. They either use pics of Dorian during his Olympia reign standing next to a pre-prime Ronnie or post the worst shots of Ronnie they can find. Sucky has even taken this idiocy one step further by comparing pics of Dorian flexing to Ronnie standing relaxed.

One's left with the distinct impression that these guys are locked in basements somewhere, growing mushrooms in between visits to getbig & rotten.com. 

[IceCold]

i hate to say this but what is wrong with the dorian fans, it is clear ronnie is superior, the pictures dont lie. post each mandatory from whatever year you think that pose looked the best and compare side by side. it will be evident ronnie is better, get over it you homos, dorian should have won zero o's in my opinion. the ugliest physique ever!

i disagree.   

this sport is subjective. 


i think it would be very close between dorian and ronnie at their best.  yates in 93 or 95 and coleman in 99 or 03 - or whichever year hulkster and pumpster decide to argue with because they lost the argument with that year. 

for instance.  when ronnie himself says that dorian would win in 98, then hulkster decides 99 is coleman's best year. 

its one thing to say that ronnie would beat dorian, a completely different thing to say that yates was overrated or 'tier b'. 

[NeoSeminole]

IceCold, Hulkster and pumpster have always argued in favor of Ronnie in 99. I'm the one who thinks 03 Ronnie would destroy any version of Dorian.

[pumpster]

i think it would be very close between dorian and ronnie at their best.  yates in 93 or 95 and coleman in 99 or 03 - or whichever year hulkster and pumpster decide to argue with because they lost the argument with that year. 

Merely reciting one-dimensional opinions over and over again, with no substantiation is meaningless, yet is something that hasn't even sunk in yet. Deal with it. Who cares about your opinions by themselves? The ballback to this thinking is of course to claim that it's "all subjective anyway". 


Let's recap tangible evidence, for the cognitively-challenged tier-Bers:


-Videos - Coleman - more of a difference than even the pics.

-Getbig poll: Coleman >> Columbu Yates

-Copious, valid pics showing direct comparisons: Coleman >>> Yates

-The clear fact that SUCKY & ND have done virtually nothing other than change the subject and deflect.


Yates win precisely 2 areas: calves and forearms. Abs are a draw at best: he has a better six-pack but also a markedly wider waist from the front, which compromises the taper in which Coleman blow him away.

Overall, Yates wins on density & dryness, IMO. Everything else-tapers, shape, aesthetics, overall cuts (where Yates is seriously deficient in some areas), size, vascularity, balance, etc. all go to Coleman.

The worst thing about Yates is how boring he looks..the opposite of legendary.

[Hulkster]

when ronnie himself says that dorian would win in 98

and why would he say this?

its not because dorian would be better - remember his 97 "peformance"

It is because even Ronnie knows that a defending Mr. Olympia will NEVER loose on an Olympia stage.

Ronnie said Yates would win because the politics of the day would dictate this.


BUT:

Politics has no place in our debate about which physique is better.



none at all

[IceCold]

and why would he say this?

its not because dorian would be better - remember his 97 "peformance"

It is because even Ronnie knows that a defending Mr. Olympia will NEVER loose on an Olympia stage.

Ronnie said Yates would win because the politics of the day would dictate this.


BUT:

Politics has no place in our debate about which physique is better.



none at all

not once did ronnie mention politics in that whole interview.  he said yates was big and hard, had injuires which he overcame and didnt see anything else stopping yates from winning again. 

[IceCold]

Merely reciting one-dimensional opinions over and over again, with no substantiation is meaningless, yet is something that hasn't even sunk in yet. Deal with it. Who cares about your opinions by themselves? The ballback to this thinking is of course to claim that it's "all subjective anyway". 


Let's recap tangible evidence, for the cognitively-challenged tier-Bers:


-Videos - Coleman - more of a difference than even the pics.

-Getbig poll: Coleman >> Columbu Yates

-Copious, valid pics showing direct comparisons: Coleman >>> Yates

-The clear fact that SUCKY & ND have done virtually nothing other than change the subject and deflect.


Yates win precisely 2 areas: calves and forearms. Abs are a draw at best: he has a better six-pack but also a markedly wider waist from the front, which compromises the taper in which Coleman blow him away.

Overall, Yates wins on density & dryness, IMO. Everything else-tapers, shape, aesthetics, overall cuts (where Yates is seriously deficient in some areas), size, vascularity, balance, etc. all go to Coleman.

The worst thing about Yates is how boring he looks..the opposite of legendary.

who cares about my opinon?  who cares about yours?

YOU claim coleman is better via the pics and videos.  i dont necessarily think that. 

dorian has the edge in density, dryness, and hardness.  coleman has the shape, aesethetics, etc. 

but would that be enough?  it seems that the judges reward a bber who comes in big and hard.  i've listed many examples of bbers who beat guys who had better taper, asethetics, cuts, etc.  i can list them again if you like. 

[NeoSeminole]

dorian has the edge in density, dryness, and hardness.  coleman has the shape, aesethetics, etc. 

but would that be enough?  it seems that the judges reward a bber who comes in big and hard.  i've listed many examples of bbers who beat guys who had better taper, asethetics, cuts, etc.  i can list them again if you like. 

Ronnie in 03 was over 20 lbs heavier, shredded, and had better taper.

[IceCold]

yes he was.

but in those pics, coleman is at a slight angle which has a dramatic effect.

also, that pic of dorian is from a photoshoot.  not like a contest shot, like coleman, meaning no diuretics. 

[NeoSeminole]

also, that pic of dorian is from a photoshoot.  not like a contest shot, like coleman, meaning no diuretics.

Exactly, Dorian would lose some of his size if he dieted for a show. The point of my comparison is to show the difference in muscularity - NOT who had better conditioning - if Dorian weighed the same amount as he did in 95. Dorian would look even smaller if I used a pic of him from 93.

[nicorulez]

who cares about my opinon?  who cares about yours?

YOU claim coleman is better via the pics and videos.  i dont necessarily think that. 

dorian has the edge in density, dryness, and hardness.  coleman has the shape, aesethetics, etc. 

but would that be enough?  it seems that the judges reward a bber who comes in big and hard.  i've listed many examples of bbers who beat guys who had better taper, asethetics, cuts, etc.  i can list them again if you like. 

IceCold, I agree that Dorian in 1993 looked incredible.  However, I tend to agree with Neo that a 2003 Ronnie would be too much for Dorian to overcome.  He would have to show up at 275 pounds at least in the conditioning he displayed in 1993 to even have a shot.  Ronnie has the edge in muscularity, taper, vascularity, aesthetics and striations.  Dorian is denser, but that is really debateable when you see Coleman up close. He is brutally huge and cut.

[Hulkster]

the yates fans claim that Ronnie is "water logged mass" - this phrased has been used many times to describe him.

I say:




water logged my ass!


ps check out this side chest:


from the 2000 olympia..