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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9050 on: September 19, 2006, 02:34:42 PM »
Lee Priest: Dorian wins hands down

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.


I posted that quote on this thread ages ago and all the Coleman bootlickers dimissed it as nothing , yet when Flex says voices his opinion its worthy lol typical Coleman-fans , nothing new.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9051 on: September 19, 2006, 02:35:42 PM »
Hello, I never posted in this thread so I thought I'd give it a shot, see what happens.

Here's my post.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9052 on: September 19, 2006, 02:38:22 PM »
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I posted that quote on this thread ages ago and all the Coleman bootlickers dimissed it as nothing , yet when Flex says voices his opinion its worthy lol typical Coleman-fans , nothing new.
ND with more one-sideness conveniently forgets to mention that oh by the way Priest's walking around with facial tatoos and Valentino. So much for Priest's objectivity!

Wheeler on the other hand, is probably the best person to ask, having been right there with both of them at their best. Doesn't think it's close. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9053 on: September 19, 2006, 02:40:14 PM »
ND with more one-sideness conveniently forgets to mention that oh by the way Priest's walking around with facial tatoos and Valentino. So much for Priest's objectivity!

lol and Flex is much better?  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9054 on: September 19, 2006, 02:40:25 PM »
ND with more one-sideness conveniently forgets to mention that oh by the way Priest's walking around with facial tatoos and Valentino. So much for Priest's objectivity!

Wheeler on the other hand, is probably the best person to ask, having been right there with both of them at their best. ;D
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9055 on: September 19, 2006, 02:41:31 PM »
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lol and Flex is much better?
How much better than standing right beside both of them? hahahaahahahaha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9056 on: September 19, 2006, 02:43:28 PM »
How much better than standing right beside both of them? hahahaahahahaha

Priest wasn't?  ??? do your homework before you speak ! oh thats right I'm dealing with pumpster lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9057 on: September 19, 2006, 02:47:50 PM »
Talk about hypocrisy. Bwahaha ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9058 on: September 19, 2006, 04:39:25 PM »
Comparing Wheeler with Priest is really, really desperate, the kind of one-dimensional distortion ND's embarassed himself into being known for. Only a whiny faggola would compare Wheeler with a guy with a facial tat & Valvolino as a sidekick, who has entered Mike Tyson territory.

Plus Wheeler didn't have to look up to judge them.  ;D

Wheeler's about the best possible guy to appraise them. Funny how his sentiments echo those of some others named Oliva and Schwarzenegger.. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9059 on: September 19, 2006, 05:06:34 PM »
Only a whiny faggola like ND would desperately try to compare Wheeler with a guy with a facial tat & Valvolino as a sidekick, who has entered Mike Tyson territory.

Plus Wheeler didn't have to look up to judge them.  ;D

Wheeler's about the best possible guy to appraise them. Funny how his sentiments echo those of some others named Oliva and Schwarzenegger.. ;D ;D ;D

Flex is about the best possible guy to apprasie them because it fits your opinion , but seriously Flex was a great bodybuilder but he wasn't the most honest person , even with himself . You're trying to use him as a gauge of great opinion and honesty and you've failed miserably , this is the guy who blew his kindeys out , made up lame excuses for his own failures , etc .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9060 on: September 19, 2006, 07:15:07 PM »
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ronnie does not "tie" dorian in the 'other' tricep.  genetically, ronnie's long head is SOOO narrow. 

but in reality, at his peak in 99, Ronnie's triceps were than Flex's in terms of appearence:


flex's were a little larger but thats it.


they had very similar triceps.


this fact seems to be overlooked ie Flex's are praised and Ronnie's are trashed when in reality they were not  much different.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9061 on: September 19, 2006, 08:18:39 PM »
SUCK the only one remaining who doesn't recognize this as the infamous Yates "no bis" shot; for once SUCK is right it is, sadly, a pathetic Yates "signature" shot...I think the only anal pounding is your fantasy involving you and Yates ;D
 
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..and incidentally, Yates' back is dead on to the camera, while Coleman's is on an angle-nice choice of a shot that makes no point whatsever, other than to confirm Coleman's dominance in arms.

  Who cares about the biceps when Dorian is destroying your boy at everyhting else? Dorian's latissimus, teres maor an minor muscles and infra-spinatus are thicker and wider than Coleman's. Dorian's back details kills Ronnie and his hardness makes Coleman look like an amateur. As for your "angle" comment, consider that the udgesevaluated them from the same angle, and Dorian flat out destroyed Ronald on the back double biceps comparison flat out. It wans't even close! And Ronnie's better and more peaked biceps made no fucking difference. Here's a pic of Dorian at 270 lbs, where it's clear that he has as much back details as Ronnie when the latter is 250lbs and with glutes and hams that are equally striated. But Dorian is much,much thicker and wider. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9062 on: September 19, 2006, 08:53:34 PM »
Then by your own logic, you admit defeat to me since you never respond to my post. ;)

Nope. It so happens that I found it too retarded to even merit a response. But since you insist, here goes.

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Perhaps, but Ronnie's triceps in 03 were bigger and more striated than Dorian's. You keep forgetting the triceps are composed of 3 muscles: the lateral, medial, and long heads. Ronnie destroyed Dorian in the medial and long heads. This is evident in any mandatory pose. Ronnie's triceps looked like hanging slabs of muscle from his upper arm while Dorian's looked smooth and flat. The only part of the triceps where Dorian might beat Ronnie is the lateral head. However, it comes down to personal preference. Dorian's lateral head is thicker but shorter. Ronnie's lateral head is longer and striated but not as thick. Furthermore, Ronnie's triceps had better separation between all heads.

  To summarize: let's evaluate how each triceps had affects the overrall triceps, and how this affects the bodybuilder. The triceps mass of the anterior and medial heads is not very visible from the front. Sure, these two heads bulge lower hen they are very developed when compared to a bodybuilder who's anterior and medial heads are not that developed. Ok. The problem is that, in front shots, the biceps are the focal point of attention, and the triceps bulge from below is not really that important. The triceps mass of the anterior and medil heds would only be relevant in the relaxed round, when the physique is evaluated on the whole. Ok, Ronnie might win that if we're talking about Ronnie 2003 - all ignore his gut distension and how that would make him lose an un-biased contest, and focus only on triceps. But the problem is that bodybuilding contests are won in the mandatories of the muscularity round - and also in the symmetry round, whereRonnie 2003 gets flat out destroyed, but let's ignore that for the sake of conversation. So, how would Ronnie's moremassive anterior and medial heads represent an advantage to him agains a 1995 Dorian Yates? Well, let's see:

  Front double biceps - Ronnie's advantage in mass in the afrmentioned two heads do not mean a lot here, because the focal point is bicpes, and the medial head is only seen well from the back. Ronnie wins this mandatory do to biceps, but not triceps.

  Front lat spread - The triceps are not visible in this mandatory; Ronnie's advntage wouldn't mean shit.

  Abs-and-thighs - Ronnie's more massive anterior and medial heads might represent an advntge over Dorian here. Too bd about Ronnie's midsection and abssepartion, though, but sinve this is only about triceps and nothing more, the let's ignore that and give the win to Rnnie.

  Side chest - Putting aside Dorian's flatter stomach and more searated serratus, he wins this mandatory, when it comesto triceps, because, in this pose, Dorian's more massive and shapely triceps hed gives him the win. Dorian takes it.

  Side triceps - No-brainer: Dorian flatout destroys Ronnie.

  Rear lat spread - Ronnie's more massive medial triceps head tips the scale in Ronnie's favor. Point for Ronnie.

  Back double biceps - The anterior and medial triceps head are concealed in this pose, so Dorian takes this mandatory when it comes to triceps - although he loses it overrall.

  So,in conclusion: out of the seven mandatories, Dorian wins three, ties two and loses two. Dorian wins overrall. He loses in overrall triceps muscularity, but wins in symmetry because his triceps are more shapely. Furthermore, the fact that he wins the side triceps flat out is significant, because this is the only mandatory designed to especifically showcase the triceps. Ronnie could never have a side triceps shot like this: look at the shape and density of his triceps. Now, the impressivness of his triceps is compounded by him having a flat stomach and etched serratus, which is definitely not the case with the 2003 Ronnie. Game over. Once again, you're my bitch. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9063 on: September 19, 2006, 09:12:01 PM »
I love that SUCKY attributes Yates win over Coleman in triceps due to SHAPE, yet ignores that Ronnie beats him in every major bodypart in SHAPE. hahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9064 on: September 19, 2006, 09:56:46 PM »
Comparing Wheeler with Priest is really, really desperate, the kind of one-dimensional distortion ND's embarassed himself into being known for. Only a whiny faggola would compare Wheeler with a guy with a facial tat & Valvolino as a sidekick, who has entered Mike Tyson territory.

Plus Wheeler didn't have to look up to judge them.  ;D

Wheeler's about the best possible guy to appraise them. Funny how his sentiments echo those of some others named Oliva and Schwarzenegger.. ;D ;D ;D


so its okay for you to use flex's opinion to prove your point, but when lee says his opinion which is different than yours, its not valid enough.  not valid enough for YOU.

sure, flex was/is a better pro than lee will ever be.  however, lee has been top ten in the world since 1997.  i'd say that is good enough to voice an opinion.  however, since lee's view doesnt match your expertise, it doesnt matter what lee says.   ::)

the fact that lee is a pro, automatically gives him credibility to critique physiques.  kenny jones' opinion is more valid than yours pumpster. 

so here's your tally:

1. yates and haney are 'tier b' olympians.
2. flex wheeler does not have a good structure (and coleman's is better)
3. lee priest's (who has competed as a pro since 1994 and won 3 mr. austraila titles by the age of 21) is clueless when analyzing other bodybuilders. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9065 on: September 19, 2006, 11:01:25 PM »
Nope. It so happens that I found it too retarded to even merit a response. But since you insist, here goes.

ha ha ha, whatever helps you sleep at night.

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The triceps mass of the anterior and medial heads is not very visible from the front. Sure, these two heads bulge lower hen they are very developed when compared to a bodybuilder who's anterior and medial heads are not that developed. Ok. The problem is that, in front shots, the biceps are the focal point of attention, and the triceps bulge from below is not really that important.

Bullshit. The triceps are just as important as calves. If you say the triceps don't matter in a front double biceps, then calves aren't really important either. You cannot penalize Ronnie for his unbalanced calves and then claim Dorian's weak triceps aren't a liability. This is a double standard.

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The triceps mass of the anterior and medil heds would only be relevant in the relaxed round, when the physique is evaluated on the whole. Ok, Ronnie might win that if we're talking about Ronnie 2003 - all ignore his gut distension and how that would make him lose an un-biased contest, and focus only on triceps. But the problem is that bodybuilding contests are won in the mandatories of the muscularity round - and also in the symmetry round, whereRonnie 2003 gets flat out destroyed, but let's ignore that for the sake of conversation.

I have repeatedly posted evidence that Ronnie in 03 didn't have a distended gut during the symmetry round, yet you keep making that dumbass claim. The fact is Ronnie kept his stomach in check when it counted. I challenge you to find me pics where Dorian looks better than this during the symmetry round. Good luck!







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Front double biceps - Ronnie's advantage in mass in the afrmentioned two heads do not mean a lot here, because the focal point is bicpes, and the medial head is only seen well from the back. Ronnie wins this mandatory do to biceps, but not triceps.

Are you trying to convince me Dorian's triceps are almost just as good as Ronnie's in the front double biceps?





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Front lat spread - The triceps are not visible in this mandatory; Ronnie's advntage wouldn't mean shit.

Ronnie's triceps look visible to me. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about Dorian. :-\





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Abs-and-thighs - Ronnie's more massive anterior and medial heads might represent an advntge over Dorian here. Too bd about Ronnie's midsection and abssepartion, though, but sinve this is only about triceps and nothing more, the let's ignore that and give the win to Rnnie.

I concede Dorian wins the abs-and-thighs. Strictly speaking about triceps, Ronnie's have better separation than Dorian's in this pose.





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Side chest - Putting aside Dorian's flatter stomach and more searated serratus, he wins this mandatory, when it comesto triceps, because, in this pose, Dorian's more massive and shapely triceps hed gives him the win. Dorian takes it.

Are you shitting me? Ronnie's triceps look more massive in the side chest and you can clearly see his lateral head.





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Side triceps - No-brainer: Dorian flatout destroys Ronnie.

I personally prefer the look of Dorian's lateral head over Ronnie's in the side triceps. However, what I think looks better doesn't necessarily reflect judging criteria. It comes down to personal prefernce. Dorian's lateral head is thicker but shorter and lacks striations. Ronnie's lateral head is longer and striated but looks thin.





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Rear lat spread - Ronnie's more massive medial triceps head tips the scale in Ronnie's favor. Point for Ronnie.

Damn straight!





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Back double biceps - The anterior and medial triceps head are concealed in this pose, so Dorian takes this mandatory when it comes to triceps - although he loses it overrall.

Ronnie's triceps look like slabs of muscle hanging from his upper arms in this pose while Dorian's triceps look small and flat.





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So,in conclusion: out of the seven mandatories, Dorian wins three, ties two and loses two. Dorian wins overrall. He loses in overrall triceps muscularity, but wins in symmetry because his triceps are more shapely. Furthermore, the fact that he wins the side triceps flat out is significant, because this is the only mandatory designed to especifically showcase the triceps. Ronnie could never have a side triceps shot like this: look at the shape and density of his triceps. Now, the impressivness of his triceps is compounded by him having a flat stomach and etched serratus, which is definitely not the case with the 2003 Ronnie. Game over. Once again, you're my bitch.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9066 on: September 19, 2006, 11:08:42 PM »
I love that SUCKY attributes Yates win over Coleman in triceps due to SHAPE, yet ignores that Ronnie beats him in every major bodypart in SHAPE. hahah

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« Reply #9067 on: September 20, 2006, 12:59:14 PM »
ha ha ha, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Bullshit. The triceps are just as important as calves. If you say the triceps don't matter in a front double biceps, then calves aren't really important either. You cannot penalize Ronnie for his unbalanced calves and then claim Dorian's weak triceps aren't a liability. This is a double standard.

  What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even read my post? I said that the 2003 Ronnie takes Dorian out in the front double biceps! Not only because his biceps are bigger and more peaked, but also because his anterior and medial trieps heads are more massive than Dorian's and visible in this pose. Double standards? No, the double standard here is assuming that Dorian should have lost in 1994 and 1997 due to a distended gut, but that Ronnie shouldn't be penalized for it, at the 2003 Olympia, because muscularity is al that matters. Double standard is saying that that somehow the biceps and the anterior head of the triceps - an almost irrelevant part of the triceps - represents this overwheming liability when it comes to every pose where the arms are involved, but that Ronnie's sub-par calves does not reresent a liability which is at least as great. In reality, the biceps is relatively hidden on most rounds of a bodybuilding ontests, which is not the case for the calves.

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I have repeatedly posted evidence that Ronnie in 03 didn't have a distended gut during the symmetry round, yet you keep making that dumbass claim. The fact is Ronnie kept his stomach in check when it counted. I challenge you to find me pics where Dorian looks better than this during the symmetry round. Good luck!

  You must be fuking kidding me, you biased, dishonest cun t! Ronnie had a gut distension even at the 1999 Olympia, when he was 257 lbs and at the 2001 Olympia, when he was 245 lbs! At the 2003 Olympia, Ronnie's gut would make him lose the symmetry round flat out, if the udges were unbiased! Posting evidence? Why should I do that, if Myself, ND and others have already posted such pics, oh, a gazillion times before? Actually, I've argued Ronnie 2003 en absurdum with PraetorFenix and it bores me.

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I concede Dorian wins the abs-and-thighs. Strictly speaking about triceps, Ronnie's have better separation than Dorian's in this pose.

  The triceps are barely visible in this pose. As the name imply, it's called the abs-and-thighs mandatory. Ronnie 2003 might have better quads, but he can't touch Dorian on abdominal and serratus separations. Dorian has the best abs-and-thighs of any Mr.Olympia ever. Below is a pic of Dorian doing this mandatory at the 1996 Olympia, and in the pic below that, the 1997 rendition. Dorian was 255 lbs in the first and 270 lbs in the latter. you'll see that, even at his heaviest weight, Dorian's abs-and-thighs are still superior.

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I personally prefer the look of Dorian's lateral head over Ronnie's in the side triceps. However, what I think looks better doesn't necessarily reflect judging criteria. It comes down to personal prefernce. Dorian's lateral head is thicker but shorter and lacks striations. Ronnie's lateral head is longer and striated but looks thin.

  The analyses of a newbie. I cracked up when you said that Ronnie's lateral trieps head is longer than Dorian's. Bull-fucking-shit! Dorian's lateral triceps head is not only longer than Ronald's - because it attaches lower in the tendom, but it also has a superior triangulat shape. You lose...again...ad nauseum. ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9068 on: September 20, 2006, 01:05:42 PM »
I love that SUCKY attributes Yates win over Coleman in triceps due to SHAPE, yet ignores that Ronnie beats him in every major bodypart in SHAPE. hahah

  I never said that. My point was that Ronnie's advantage in anterior and medial triceps head bulk, that he had in his 2003 Olympia rendition form, is not as relevant as he thinks, because the overrall musculature of the triceps is only evaluated in the relaxed round. Ok: Ronnie might take that. But Dorian's superiority in the side triceps mandatory is far more relevant. How so? Because Dorian's lateral triceps head is longer than Ronnie's and ust as thick, so he wins in musucularity. Now, add to that Dorian's advantage in abdominal and serratus separations, and he also wins the this mandatory in symmetry. Furthermore, Dorian's triceps are in balance with his biceps in this pose, which is not the case with Ronald, who's were always overpowered by his biceps; bot iin his lighter weights as well as in his 2003 and 2004 forms. Case closed. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9069 on: September 20, 2006, 01:38:35 PM »
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Furthermore, Dorian's triceps are in balance with his biceps in this pose, which is not the case with Ronald, who's were always overpowered by his biceps; bot iin his lighter weights as well as in his 2003 and 2004 forms



show me where Ronnie's biceps are overpowering his triceps in the side pose.

just not seeing it.
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« Reply #9070 on: September 20, 2006, 01:44:54 PM »
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3. lee priest's (who has competed as a pro since 1994 and won 3 mr. austraila titles by the age of 21) is clueless when analyzing other bodybuilders. 


no, you are correct that lee is not clueless - he is just in the minority on his opinion on the subject of ronnie vs dorian.

fact is, there are VERY FEW past OR present pros that would likely say dorian was better.

after all, they, like most of us, can see the quality that Ronnie had that Dorian lacked...



its obvious in almost every pose..
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« Reply #9071 on: September 20, 2006, 01:51:26 PM »
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Here's a pic of Dorian at 270 lbs, where it's clear that he has as much back details as Ronnie when the latter is 250lbs and with glutes and hams that are equally striated. But Dorian is much,much thicker and wider.

wider?


unlikely. Look at that back width and shoulder to waist differential.  Even when dorian was doing a lat spread he never had that kind of differential:


not very impressive thanks to the monster wide waist..

and if you want to talk about detail, turn dorian around!:



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9072 on: September 20, 2006, 01:56:02 PM »
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No, the double standard here is assuming that Dorian should have lost in 1994 and 1997 due to a distended gut, but that Ronnie shouldn't be penalized for it, at the 2003 Olympia,

having a gut had little to do with dorian deserving to lose in 1994.

dorian should have lost in 1994 because he was totally outclassed by this kind of quality:



that is why.

size over quality was the order of the day.

that is something that I totally disagree with.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9073 on: September 20, 2006, 02:16:39 PM »
having a gut had little to do with dorian deserving to lose in 1994.

dorian should have lost in 1994 because he was totally outclassed by this kind of quality:



that is why.

size over quality was the order of the day.

that is something that I totally disagree with.

Ray? Maybe. To short though. Too light to fight, too thin to win.

Dillet? Never. Couldn't pose. Looked like shit in the mandatories. No back. Too incomplete.

By the way, Dorian's quads don't look like much of a liability there, next to arguably some of the best wheels seen on a big man.

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« Reply #9074 on: September 20, 2006, 02:25:38 PM »
  Double standards? No, the double standard here is assuming that Dorian should have lost in 1994 and 1997 due to a distended gut, but that Ronnie shouldn't be penalized for it, at the 2003 Olympia, because muscularity is al that matters.




double standards like when flex says ronnie is better than dorian and its ok.  but its not okay when lee priest says that dorian would win. 
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