Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

just because the 2004/5/6 Coleman is not known for density and condition does NOT mean that the 1999 Ronnie wasn't.

You guys must think that "smooth = conditioned" which is wrong.

the 99 version still wasnt.  mass AND aesethetics.


'hard and dry' = conditioned.

condition that no one over 250 has matched before or since. 

[Theoak*]

Im sorry but yates has fuck all on ronnie in any pose. Including abs and thighs.

[IceCold]

right about that.
 

[NeoSeminole]

[pobrecito]

[pobrecito]

Dorian's density in that shot above is just rediculous, hard to believe he is only 255 there, looks more like 275.

[Hulkster]

you can post abs shots all you want, but the fact is that NO bodybuilder who has smooth arms and quads would ever be awarded a win over a peak 1999 ronnie.

you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.


it would simply never happen. too much of a disadvantage along with other things like taper and overall detail.

[pobrecito]

Hulkster, I agree with you that Ronnie would win, however, I think you are a biased mofo if you can't give Dorian props. There is not 1 other bodybuilder in history besides Ronnie that can match this pose from Dorian, he looks like he's made out of fucking granite. He makes Cutler look like a soft cupcake

[NeoSeminole]

I can't see any of the pics you've posted.

[IceCold]

you can post abs shots all you want, but the fact is that NO bodybuilder who has smooth arms and quads would ever be awarded a win over a peak 1999 ronnie.

you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.


it would simply never happen. too much of a disadvantage along with other things like taper and overall detail.

nothing smooth about these quads.  teardrops like no one else. 

[Hulkster]

nothing smooth about these quads.  teardrops like no one else. 

what do you mean nothing smooth about these quads?

His quads were always among the smoothest onstage when he competed:








He may have beat labrada and momo with smooth quads and arms, but he would never beat a 99 ronnie

[Dorian 01]

Hulkster, I agree with you that Ronnie would win, however, I think you are a biased mofo if you can't give Dorian props. There is not 1 other bodybuilder in history besides Ronnie that can match this pose from Dorian, he looks like he's made out of fucking granite. He makes Cutler look like a soft cupcake

This thread is polarizing those involved to the point that when it ends they'll emerge with such exaggerated opinions that we'll all think they're fucked up. I think we already do.

[suckmymuscle]

How so?

  This pic was taken during transition, and it is obvious that Ronnie is sucking his belly in. Look at the upper part of his abdominal cavity, and it's obvious that the distension is there. There are tons of pics showing Ronnie's distension in 2003, and many hae alreadt been posted. All the bodybuilding mags, in their reviews of the 2003 Olympia, even the ones that praised his muscularity ad nauseum, remarked that his distended midsection was a liability. To me, a bodybuilder should have a flat abdomen in the relaxed round, which was the case for Ronnie in 1998, Dorian in 1993, Shawn in 1996 and Kevin in 1995, but which Ronnie did not have in 2003. He should also have clearly separated serratus and adominal muscles; again, not the case with the 2003 Ronnie. This pic, which I hae posed before, might be from the 2004 Olympia, bu it clearly dislays the kind of sub-par midsection Ronnie has when not sucking his midsection in at over 280 lbs. By the way, Ronnie has no serratus separations whasoever in this pic you provided.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

hahahaha

  The 1993 or 1995 Dorians would destroy he 1999 Ronnie in muscularity. Sorry, but Dorian's back was wider, his christmas-tree thicker and his pectoralis muscles were equally thick. Ronnie only surpassed Dorian, for musculariy, in 2003. Until that year, Dorian was he most muscular bodybuilder who had ever stepped onstage.

  Like I explained before, Dorian weighed the same as Ronnie didin 1999, but with superior conditioning. Dorian is also a little shorter. The superior conditioning came from Dorian's lower amount of sub-dermal water layer; in other words, more of his weiht was muscle. Remeber that Dorian defeated both Nasser and Fux in the muscularity rounds on most of the mandatories, and both of these guys were over 280 lbs. If Dorian was deemed to be more muscular than guys who outweighed him by 25/30 lbs, than how exactly would a Ronnie weighing the same as him be deemed to be more muscular? Nonsense.

  You go on and on about Ronnie's superiority in 1999 over the 257 lbs Dorian, but the bottom line is that, in the two most important bodybuilding criterias whih are evaluated at a bodybyilding show, namely, symmetry and muscularity, Ronnie has no advantages in either. Dorian would most likely defeat the 1999 Ronnie for muscularity, and he would also defeat Ronnie, when it comes to symmetry, on several of the mandatories.

  On all the mandatories from the front, they would at te ery least tie, because, while Ronnie has a slightly better taper, Dorian has the superior midsection overrall and his lats flare wider than Coleman's. From the sides, Dorian's superior calves, muscle thickness and serratus would give him the nod symmetry-wise. From the back, Dorian's balance is at least as good as Ronnie's, because his taper is comparable. So, if Ronnie doesen't defeat Dorian conclusvely in either muscularity and symmetry, and if Dorian had the superior conditioning, ten it is only your opinion that Ronnie's smaller waist and better separtions would make him win. The bottom line is that it would be up to the udges to decide that, an there's no evidence that they would. These pics are from the 1993 Olympia and they show Dorian's advantages in muscularity, density, conditioning and dryness.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

do you have any idea what dense and conditioned muscle looks like?
You guys throw around these words as if they mean something.
then when you look at the pics, you see that all the talk about dorian's "conditioning" "density" and "dryness" all mean NOTHING in comparison to Ronnie because MOST of dorian's muscles look SMOOTH in comparison

  You are confusing separations and striations with conditioning. These are two different things. Flex is an examle of a bodybuilder who always had incredible separations, even when his muscles actually looked soft. Conditioning is a quality onto itself: it makes the muscles look a certain way, even if they're not very separated. Now, it is a myth that Dorian lacked separations: he always had incredible separations in his back, with the limits of the latissimus, teres maor and minor and the infra-spinatus clearly separated. His christmas-tree was not only thicker than Ronnie's but also more separated. His chest was incredibly thick, thicker than Ronnie's both at the 1998 and 1999 Olympias, and also ust as striated. His abdomen and serratus was also more separated than Ronnie's. The only areas where Ronnie had better separations than Diesel is on the front quadriceps and deltoids while doing a most muscular. That's all.

when are you guys going to start showing me some PICS of Dorian's supposedly much better looking muscle? (other than the minor abs).

  Bodybuilding contests are won by evaluating muscularity, conditioning and proportions; what muscles "look better" is a matter of opinion. And while it is possible that the udges would agree with you and give the 1999 Ronnie the nod over Dorian based on that, they might ust as well not. And when you consider that Dorian was the most muscular and symmetrical, odds are they'd give it to Dorian.

you need more than abs and calves to beat Ronnie.

  Dorian had the thicker, wider and more detailed back. His chest was equally striated, but more massive. His forearms and triceps were bigger. His hamstrigs and glutes were ust as shredded. His traps were equally massive as Ronnie's. All things considered, Dorian wins. Sorry, but you need more than biceps to defeat Dorian.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 

[quadzilla456]

what do you mean nothing smooth about these quads?

His quads were always among the smoothest onstage when he competed:








He may have beat labrada and momo with smooth quads and arms, but he would never beat a 99 ronnie

Hulkster, you're on crack! Look at the pics of Dorian you posted. His muscles run like ropes down his legs. Totally unique look and makes him stand apart from the others. His legs make the other bodybuilders' pale in comparison. I'd take Dorian's legs in his prime any day over Ronnie's. Just his calves alone would be good enough for me.

[Fischputza]

Even if one or two of Dorianīs victories are debatable (not imo),
at least he never showed up fucked up like that: 

[NeoSeminole]

This pic was taken during transition, and it is obvious that Ronnie is sucking his belly in. Look at the upper part of his abdominal cavity, and it's obvious that the distension is there. There are tons of pics showing Ronnie's distension in 2003, and many hae alreadt been posted. All the bodybuilding mags, in their reviews of the 2003 Olympia, even the ones that praised his muscularity ad nauseum, remarked that his distended midsection was a liability. To me, a bodybuilder should have a flat abdomen in the relaxed round, which was the case for Ronnie in 1998, Dorian in 1993, Shawn in 1996 and Kevin in 1995, but which Ronnie did not have in 2003. He should also have clearly separated serratus and adominal muscles; again, not the case with the 2003 Ronnie. This pic, which I hae posed before, might be from the 2004 Olympia, bu it clearly dislays the kind of sub-par midsection Ronnie has when not sucking his midsection in at over 280 lbs. By the way, Ronnie has no serratus separations whasoever in this pic you provided.

Who cares if Ronnie is sucking in his gut? Honestly, your argument is weak. Show me one bodybuilder who purposely tries to push out his stomach. For all you know, Ronnie may be flexing his transverse abdominal muscles. You cannot penalize Ronnie for the way he looks when he's not being judged. Using your logic, Dorian should never have won the Mr. Olympia. He had the worst midsection on stage when standing relaxed.

















Now watch Sucky respond with a pic of Dorian hitting the abs-and-thighs, yet he chooses to ignore the fact that Ronnie's gut disappears when he's posing too.

[NeoSeminole]

Even if one or two of Dorianīs victories are debatable (not imo),
at least he never showed up fucked up like that:

It's still not as bad as this.

[Hulkster]

shawn vs dorian, 1994:



 

[2lift]

For the first time since May this idiotic, repetitive, thread has fallen out of the the top 2 pages on the board. But, I finally saw something that was interesting.  Dillett owning Yates.

[pobrecito]

add another notch for Dorian, Ronnie just lost the crown

[suckmymuscle]

Who cares if Ronnie is sucking in his gut? Honestly, your argument is weak. Show me one bodybuilder who purposely tries to push out his stomach. For all you know, Ronnie may be flexing his transverse abdominal muscles. You cannot penalize Ronnie for the way he looks when he's not being judged. Using your logic, Dorian should never have won the Mr. Olympia. He had the worst midsection on stage when standing relaxed.

















Now watch Sucky respond with a pic of Dorian hitting the abs-and-thighs, yet he chooses to ignore the fact that Ronnie's gut disappears when he's posing too.

  Having wide hips have nothing to do with having abdominal distension, you imbecile fucktard son of a c.unt! I never said Dorian had a better taper! Seriously! My point is that Dorian only had abdominal distension in 1997. Remember that Dorian had a flat stomach and abdominal and serratus separations comparable to Shawn Ray's at the 1995 Olympia. I dare you to come up with a pic of Dorian, standing relaxed, where he has a disnended gut - excep at the 1997 Olympia. Cutler defeated your boy today with a worse midsecion than Dorian and comparable back: why wouldn't Dorian?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

HA HA HA HA HA! Hulkster&Pumpster went on and on about Ronnie winning it for the ninth time, and how he wasn't sub-par in the last four years...he got defeated by Cutler, a guy who, in Dorian's time, would barely get a call-out from the udges against the likes of Kevin, Wheeler, Cormier, etc. So, the whole theory about how dominant he would be against an all-time best Dorian has been utterly, concisively, thoroughly annihilated!!!!!! I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[IceCold]

i believe this thread is now over.

coleman looks like absolute shit now and the scorecards prove that. (he lost to jay 22-38) it wasnt even close.


cheers, hulkster.