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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9400 on: October 05, 2006, 04:03:36 PM »
Ronnie looks so flat there.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9401 on: October 05, 2006, 04:09:13 PM »
question for hulkster


just out of curiosity, hulkster.

did it ever bother you that coleman was a cop AND using every illegal drug he could get his hands on for muscle-enhancement purposes?

no, it never "bothered" me because I don't care.

Bodybuilding is based on steroids to some extent  - every pro uses and every pro (while competing) denies.

I like ronnie's physique, and thats it.

In the context of bodybuilding, I don't really care if he was "hypocritical" or not.

thankfully, he did quit though once he could afford to.

Perhaps he has some morals after all! 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9402 on: October 05, 2006, 04:15:36 PM »
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i'll give ya that for ronnie.  he was the biggest guy with asethetics.  but i dont know if that will be considered a new standard. 

considering that we went from THIS:



to

THIS:


I think most would say it certainly was a new standard.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9403 on: October 05, 2006, 04:19:00 PM »
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Dorian was onbiously so much more than size and lower back and calves and that so much more is exactly why he was never beaten by anyone. get a clue.

Only Iron Age clones like this, who toe the Flex/Weider line can go around with any seriousness and be proud of Yates with some of the abortions he presented on stage. Obviously there's a lot of politics to this and other years' shows whether ND the know-nothing wants to admit it or not. Others aren't quite so quillible.

The endless pro-IFBB/Weider line from this "ND", with no admission whatsoever of politics and clearly some suspect outcomes calls into question this guy's integrity. Something tells me ND either is either employed by Weider/Flex, strongly desires employment by them or is having an affair with someone from Iron Age.  ;D

This won & is quite obviously no better than what Coleman brought to this show, which tells anyone with any integrity that something's up with the IFBB.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9404 on: October 05, 2006, 04:22:57 PM »
considering that we went from THIS:



to

THIS:


I think most would say it certainly was a new standard.

And who cares what most would say? most people in the United Stares consider themselfs Christians I believe its over 80% , 75% people believe in Angels human/looking creatures with wings of a bird , most people are idiots

Ronnie set a new standard in 2003 for size and good conditioning but he never matched Dorian at the same weight and honestly I don't think anyone has , most Coleman fans think he won last week lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9405 on: October 05, 2006, 04:24:19 PM »
what I find really funny and pathetic, is that ND claims that we are basing our assesments of Yates' flaws on "a few scans and pics"

actually ND, we are basing them on

many many many pics and VIDEOS which you never seem to watch.

At least IceCold and Sucky can admit to Yates glaring flaws (wide waist, smooth arms, smooth quads etc etc etc)

you can't even do that.

according to you, all these flaws disappear in person...

yet somehow all of peak ronnie's strengths disappear ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9406 on: October 05, 2006, 04:26:19 PM »
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And who cares what most would say?
you should

It shows that 99.99 % of the board are applying traditional judging standards properly (rewarding taper, detail, striations, shape while penalizing the comparative lack thereof in favor of mainly just mass)

and that you are not.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9407 on: October 05, 2006, 04:35:21 PM »
what I find really funny and pathetic, is that ND claims that we are basing our assesments of Yates' flaws on "a few scans and pics"

actually ND, we are basing them on

many many many pics and VIDEOS which you never seem to watch.

At least IceCold and Sucky can admit to Yates glaring flaws (wide waist, smooth arms, smooth quads etc etc etc)

you can't even do that.

according to you, all these flaws disappear in person...

yet somehow all of peak ronnie's strengths disappear ::)

Many many many pic and videos? lol I don't think you've ever seen the whole 1993 Mr Olympia or the 1995 you've based your opinion on bias , 30 seconds worth of compressed video , and some crappy scans , great way to be objective  ::)

I never once claimed Dorian was flawless , I never once said his waist wasn't wide , etc , you have called Dorian Yates the most overrated bodybuilder of all times lol this pinpoints your narrowminded mentality and bias , one thing that everyone said in reguards to Dorian " pictures & video DO NOT do him justice he must be seen in person "

Dorian Yates still to this day is one of the most dominant professional bodybuilders of all time and seeing this is such a subjective sport that makes it even more remarkable that the general consensus was he above and beyond his peers , 15 out of 17 professional wins with 6 consecutive Mr Olympia wins , 2 second place wins , 88% win//loss record , almost every single Mr Olympia title was won with straight firsts , all of this silences your bullshit kid

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9408 on: October 05, 2006, 04:39:13 PM »
you should

It shows that 99.99 % of the board are applying traditional judging standards properly (rewarding taper, detail, striations, shape while penalizing the comparative lack thereof in favor of mainly just mass)

and that you are not.



Like most on this board you're fucking clueless as to what the judges are looking for , in fact you once said that Dorian would lose to Ronnie because his back didn't have as much ' lumpiness ' lol and the judges would reward Ronnie based on his superior " x-frame " lol and enetertaining your complete lunacy if the judges only based their judgements on ' mainly mass ' Lou and Dillett would have both beat Dorian , once again you know nothing , you've learned nothing , go pray to the alter of Ronnie's finger of God because you're just as  bright as the Christians.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9409 on: October 05, 2006, 05:45:35 PM »
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one thing that everyone said in reguards to Dorian " pictures & video DO NOT do him justice he must be seen in person "

and what does seeing Ronnie in person do then? turn all his shape and detail into dogshit? ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9410 on: October 05, 2006, 05:47:49 PM »


Dorian Yates still to this day is one of the most dominant professional bodybuilders of all time and seeing this is such a subjective sport that makes it even more remarkable that the general consensus was he above and beyond his peers , 15 out of 17 professional wins with 6 consecutive Mr Olympia wins , 2 second place wins , 88% win//loss record , almost every single Mr Olympia title was won with straight firsts , all of this silences your bullshit kid


and you keep saying your arguments are not based on numbers ::)

read what you are posting next time ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9411 on: October 05, 2006, 06:11:42 PM »
Hulkster,

you should run away with your tail between your legs.
your bloated joke of an idol just lost his "mystique"
carrying on like this is only further embarrassing to coleman (as if thats possible)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9412 on: October 05, 2006, 06:21:57 PM »
Would anyone here argue that Jay at his best was better than Dorian at his best?

Matt do you smoke the crack with jay?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9413 on: October 05, 2006, 09:06:18 PM »
Would anyone here argue that Jay at his best was better than Dorian at his best?


lets not be totally retarted. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9414 on: October 05, 2006, 09:08:57 PM »
considering that we went from THIS:



to

THIS:


I think most would say it certainly was a new standard.


but what was the change in standards?

shape is not a standard. 

a standard is something that you can change.  that's why its called a standard.  someone can change how big they will be and in what type of condition, but not what shapes their muscles will have. 

ronnie had that shape many years before he turned pro.  it was his new mass and new conditioning that enabled him to win. 

having shape is not setting a standard.  you are born with shape and it cant be changed, hence, no standard can be set. 

but if you want to say ronnie changed the standard for having shape AND mass, well, i'd agree with that. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9415 on: October 05, 2006, 09:24:12 PM »
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but what was the change in standards?

shape is not a standard. 

a standard is something that you can change.  that's why its called a standard.  someone can change how big they will be and in what type of condition, but not what shapes their muscles will have. 

ronnie had that shape many years before he turned pro.  it was his new mass and new conditioning that enabled him to win. 

having shape is not setting a standard.  you are born with shape and it cant be changed, hence, no standard can be set.
Nice..5 sentences to make a simple point.  ;D FYI you apparently haven't noticed that Coleman's more than just slightly bigger, has better cuts as well as having better shape. Who said it was only about shape other than you?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9416 on: October 05, 2006, 09:26:59 PM »
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Hulkster,

you should run away with your tail between your legs.
your bloated joke of an idol just lost his "mystique"
carrying on like this is only further embarrassing to coleman (as if thats possible)
With 2 more Olympias than Yates, with the getbig poll behind him and overwhelming video evidence, you're referring to the wrong guy.  Nothing from last weekend changes those realities. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9417 on: October 05, 2006, 09:31:21 PM »
Nice..5 sentences to make a simple point.  ;D FYI you apparently haven't noticed that Coleman's more than just slightly bigger, has better cuts as well as having better shape. Who said it was only about shape other than you?

did you miss the point where i said coleman' NEW mass and NEW conditoining is why he won in 98.  i guess not. 

so coleman has better shape now than when he did in say 96?

where?

idiot. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9418 on: October 05, 2006, 09:33:29 PM »
With 2 more Olympias than Yates, with the getbig poll behind him and overwhelming video evidence, you're referring to the wrong guy.  Nothing from last weekend changes those realities. ;)


overwhelming video evidence?

says who?  you and hulkster.

please. 

pumpster,

just bc ronnie was dethroned easily (he lost 22-38, it wasnt even close like most of his wins) and just bc dorian was never dethroned or anyone coming close to beating him despite MUCH MUCH better competition than ronnie, is no reason to be nasty.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9419 on: October 06, 2006, 02:19:11 AM »
show me the bodybuilder who was more detailed and shapely than Ronnie in 99 with the same level of size.

  You see, here you go again giving your opinion that Ronnie is this incredible combo of size&shape, and thus, that he took the sport to a new level. It is simply your preference that Ronnie was amazing as the first 250 lbs bodybuilder possesed as wha you perceive to be great shape.

  Again, shape is not an obective criteria, like muscularity and symmetry, so it is only your opinion that Ronnie took it to a new level in 1999. Actually, Ronnie's taper was far less dramatic in 1999 than it was in the previous year, and he already had some gut distension, so what level is this you're talking about? As for the 1998 Ronnie, he did have an incredible taper for his size, but he was by no means the ultimate when it comes to this combination. Arnold came in at 237 lbs for the 1974 Olympia, only 12 lbs less than Ronnie weighed in 1998, and his waist was so tiny that he could do a vacuum pose without even trying! To me, that's a more impressive combination of size and taper than that of the 1998 Ronnie.

  As for the 1999 Ronnie, you can't claim that he took the sport to a new level by any criteria. His taper was pretty bad that year, and his gut already had some distension. As for muscularity, sorry, sport, but Dorian took that to a new level six years before that, when he stepped onstage weighting the same Ronnie did in 1999, and with even harder muscles! Symmetry? The 1999 Ronnie was no paradigm of symmetry, having small calves, abdominal distension, small forearms, huge biceps and a huge ass. That's not good symmetry. So how did Ronnie take the sport to a new level that year? Answer: he didn't.

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If you can't - then you cannot deny Ronnie 98/99 set a new standard.

  1998 - I can accept your opinion that Ronnie took it to a new level that year, by coming around 250 lbs with a tiny waist. However, it must be noted that Arnold and Sergio were almost as big two decades before that, and with even tinier waists! Yet, as far as muscularity and symmetry are concerned, Ronnie certainly did not take the sport to a new level in 1998: he had glaring symmetrical weaknesses, and several bodybuilders had stepped onstage with far greater muscularity than that before.

  1999 - At 257 lbs, Ronnie was less muscular than Dorian at a similar weight. And Dorian was harder and dryer. So, as far as muscularity and conditioning is concerned, Ronnie definiely did not take it to a new level in 1999. When it comes to symmetry, he maintained the same weaknesses of the previous year's Olympia, with the added liabilities of a worst taper and some abdominal distension.

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Yates set a standard in 93 for heaviest Mr. Olympia at the time.  That was the only standard he set.

  No, Dorian in 1993 took the sport to a whole new level in two categories: muscularity and conditioning. He didn't take the sport to a new level of symmetry, but that's a different story. Before Dorian's 1993 performance, the only bodybuilders who stepped onstage weighing more than 250 lbs were the ones over 6'3 tall - and they were usually soft and retaining water. At a height of 5'10, Dorian came in weighing 20 lbs more than Arnold ever did, while being 4 inches shorter. That, my friend, is taking muscularity to a whole other level! ;) And he also showed a dry appearance which, even today, pros try desperately to replicate! Not only that, and although Dorian was no Labrada or Benfatto in the symmetry department, he maintained superb proportions from head-to-toe at this whole other level of muscularity and conditioning. These pics are all from the 1993 Olympia. This is what taking it to a whole new level means. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9420 on: October 06, 2006, 02:24:12 AM »
These pics are all from the 1993 Olympia.

The first pic is from 1995. For someone who claims to be a genius, I'm surprised that you're incapable of doing a simple task like checking the background in your pics. This isn't the first time you've gotten your Mr. Olympia dates mixed up.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9421 on: October 06, 2006, 06:29:45 AM »
  You see, here you go again giving your opinion that Ronnie is this incredible combo of size&shape, and thus, that he took the sport to a new level. It is simply your preference that Ronnie was amazing as the first 250 lbs bodybuilder possesed as wha you perceive to be great shape.

  Again, shape is not an obective criteria, like muscularity and symmetry, so it is only your opinion that Ronnie took it to a new level in 1999. Actually, Ronnie's taper was far less dramatic in 1999 than it was in the previous year, and he already had some gut distension, so what level is this you're talking about? As for the 1998 Ronnie, he did have an incredible taper for his size, but he was by no means the ultimate when it comes to this combination. Arnold came in at 237 lbs for the 1974 Olympia, only 12 lbs less than Ronnie weighed in 1998, and his waist was so tiny that he could do a vacuum pose without even trying! To me, that's a more impressive combination of size and taper than that of the 1998 Ronnie.

  As for the 1999 Ronnie, you can't claim that he took the sport to a new level by any criteria. His taper was pretty bad that year, and his gut already had some distension. As for muscularity, sorry, sport, but Dorian took that to a new level six years before that, when he stepped onstage weighting the same Ronnie did in 1999, and with even harder muscles! Symmetry? The 1999 Ronnie was no paradigm of symmetry, having small calves, abdominal distension, small forearms, huge biceps and a huge ass. That's not good symmetry. So how did Ronnie take the sport to a new level that year? Answer: he didn't.

  1998 - I can accept your opinion that Ronnie took it to a new level that year, by coming around 250 lbs with a tiny waist. However, it must be noted that Arnold and Sergio were almost as big two decades before that, and with even tinier waists! Yet, as far as muscularity and symmetry are concerned, Ronnie certainly did not take the sport to a new level in 1998: he had glaring symmetrical weaknesses, and several bodybuilders had stepped onstage with far greater muscularity than that before.

  1999 - At 257 lbs, Ronnie was less muscular than Dorian at a similar weight. And Dorian was harder and dryer. So, as far as muscularity and conditioning is concerned, Ronnie definiely did not take it to a new level in 1999. When it comes to symmetry, he maintained the same weaknesses of the previous year's Olympia, with the added liabilities of a worst taper and some abdominal distension.

  No, Dorian in 1993 took the sport to a whole new level in two categories: muscularity and conditioning. He didn't take the sport to a new level of symmetry, but that's a different story. Before Dorian's 1993 performance, the only bodybuilders who stepped onstage weighing more than 250 lbs were the ones over 6'3 tall - and they were usually soft and retaining water. At a height of 5'10, Dorian came in weighing 20 lbs more than Arnold ever did, while being 4 inches shorter. That, my friend, is taking muscularity to a whole other level! ;) And he also showed a dry appearance which, even today, pros try desperately to replicate! Not only that, and although Dorian was no Labrada or Benfatto in the symmetry department, he maintained superb proportions from head-to-toe at this whole other level of muscularity and conditioning. These pics are all from the 1993 Olympia. This is what taking it to a whole new level means. ;)

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This is an extremely well thought out and worded argument. I would like to see Hulkster post a similar rebuttal.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9422 on: October 06, 2006, 06:34:22 AM »
The first pic is from 1995. For someone who claims to be a genius, I'm surprised that you're incapable of doing a simple task like checking the background in your pics. This isn't the first time you've gotten your Mr. Olympia dates mixed up.
take it easy sucky was getting ahead of himself. the top is 95. the bottom is 94. hope that helps.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9423 on: October 06, 2006, 07:06:22 AM »
question for hulkster


just out of curiosity, hulkster.

did it ever bother you that coleman was a cop AND using every illegal drug he could get his hands on for muscle-enhancement purposes?

In an argument supposedly about which man is better at their repsective peaks (ronnie by the way  ;)), i fail to see the relevance of this question.


and you keep saying your arguments are not based on numbers ::)

read what you are posting next time ::)

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ND bases his entire assessments on figures and accepts what the judges say as gospel.

Eg, in another thread he claims there was no controversy at this years O since cutler won 38 points to 22.

Anyone with eyes can see that this isnt where the story ends.

Sad.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9424 on: October 06, 2006, 07:10:01 AM »
The first pic is from 1995. For someone who claims to be a genius, I'm surprised that you're incapable of doing a simple task like checking the background in your pics. This isn't the first time you've gotten your Mr. Olympia dates mixed up.

Using pics is actually self incriminating when sucky does it. There either morphed, from incorrect years or completely contravene his inherently flawed points.  ;D


1998 - I can accept your opinion that Ronnie took it to a new level that year, by coming around 250 lbs with a tiny waist. However, it must be noted that Arnold and Sergio were almost as big two decades before that, and with even tinier waists!

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Seriously arnold having a smaller waist than 98/99 ronnie?

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