Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

well, my preference is the bigger guys with hardness over guys that are smaller and just shapely.

and then you have Ronnie, who has all the size of the bigger guys combined with the shape of the smaller ones.

result: repeat of 1991 all over again- the last time dorian faced someone his size, complete with shape and a BACK!

dorian would lose

[IceCold]

and then you have Ronnie, who has all the size of the bigger guys combined with the shape of the smaller ones.

result: repeat of 1991 all over again- the last time dorian faced someone his size, complete with shape and a BACK!

dorian would lose

maybe/maybe not.

however, dorian beat haney in the muscularity round. 

it was very close and would be very close between ron and coleman.  but i think dorian's conditioning (which is the main factor along with size in choosing a winner, especially at the mr. olympia) would be too much for ron. 

[IceCold]

tradegic








if you guys (hulkster and pumpster) think he'll be back next year and win, you are trully insane.  those tears aint healing.

and coleman said leading up to the Olympia that nothing was torn.  liar.   

at least with dorian, when he tore his biceps, his biceps werent that good anyways or one of his main bodyparts.  so who cares? 

its like the tampa bay bucs loosing chris sims for the year.  he sucked anyway.

but with coleman, he was known for his back and biceps and now they are ruined. 

[sculpture]

tradegic








if you guys (hulkster and pumpster) think he'll be back next year and win, you are trully insane.  those tears aint healing.

and coleman said leading up to the Olympia that nothing was torn.  liar.   

at least with dorian, when he tore his biceps, his biceps werent that good anyways or one of his main bodyparts.  so who cares? 

its like the tampa bay bucs loosing chris sims for the year.  he sucked anyway.

but with coleman, he was known for his back and biceps and now they are ruined. 

Truly idiotic rationale.

The fact that the torn muscle was shite before hand somehow mitigates the impact of it bein torn.

What garbage.

If anything it only serves to highlight and exacerbate just how tragic the man's symmetry was to begin with.

[IceCold]

Truly idiotic rationale.

The fact that the torn muscle was shite before hand somehow mitigates the impact of it bein torn.

What garbage.

If anything it only serves to highlight and exacerbate just how tragic the man's symmetry was to begin with.

i'm not denying the impact of yates' torn bicep.

i was only stating the difference between tearing one's bodpart that isnt that good to begin with vs. tearing a bodypart (s) that is one of that person's BEST bodyparts. 

there is a difference. 

[sculpture]

i'm not denying the impact of yates' torn bicep.

i was only stating the difference between tearing one's bodpart that isnt that good to begin with vs. tearing a bodypart (s) that is one of that person's BEST bodyparts. 

there is a difference. 

But yates tore his triceps too which many idiots in the dorian camp have been proclaiming are some of the greatest ever.   

Step off rookie

[Bear]

what years did coleman ge perfect scores?  i'm not sure about 4.

yeah, you're right.  most gym rats have arms like this.   




but is really true is that most gym rats or even lifetime naturals have better calves and midsections that ronnie. 

99, 2000, 2003, 2004,

'93 aside, Dorian's arms are undeniably small and flat. touche on the midsection comment, not true about calves though!

[IceCold]

But yates tore his triceps too which many idiots in the dorian camp have been proclaiming are some of the greatest ever.   

Step off rookie

he tore his tricep but you wouldnt know it if he didnt tell about it.  show me a pic of the torn tricep.

branch warren did the same thing.  but he wont say which arm he tore.

[suckmymuscle]

what total ironage bullshit

 

Arnold had a wide waist - why do you think he always did twisting shots?

notice that peak Ronnie had a waist circumference almost equal to that of Chris - this can be verified in many other pics too.

That means according to your logic, Arnold had a smaller waist than Chris!
you say pics are 'irrelevant" - of course you do - they prove you flat out wrong!

  No, pics are irelevant because, ust like muscularity, the girth of the waist is a mathematical measurement, not open fo dispute. Now, I never said that Anold had a better taper than the 1998 Ronnie - although he certainly did when it comes to the 1999 Ronnie -, but that his waist as tinie, which can be verified by tape measurement.

  So you post pictures of Arnold standing relaxed and then compare it to Ronnie doing mandatories? Sorry, but this diesen't prove shit. There are several pics showing Anold doing a vacuum pose, something which Ronnie couldn't do even in 1998, much less 1999.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pobrecito]

Ronnie did have slight distension in 98.

[suckmymuscle]

Question for SuckYatesAsshole:

how can you say that someone with:

-less striations
-less vascularity
-not as good individual muscle shape (see major parts like arms, chest, legs)
 and yet with the SAME bodyweight

  First of all, let's make some points clear. Dorian had superb striations on most of his muscles. I have already posted pics of Dorian where he has striations on his chest, front quadriceps and even in his lower back, something which Ronnie could never claim to posses. Secondly, vascularity, like "shape" is not an obective bodybuilding criteria, so you can go on and on about it, but the bottom line is that this thread is not about what you or I prefer, but rather about who would win against each other at their respective bests, Dorian or Ronnie. And I'm sorry to inform you, but Ronnie's superior vascularity would give him no definitive advantage going against Dorian Yates. As for his shape, Ronnie has narower hips and a better V-taper, but Dorian has several muscular and symmerical advantages over him, so the point is mute: the udges might agree wih you, but then hey might not and they certainly don't have to.

has "greater muscularity" than someone who is better in all these attributes?

doesn't "greater muscularity" imply better muscular attributes, such as shape, vascularity and striations?

  No, it doesen't. This is what you don't understand. "Muscularity", quite simply, refers to the development and size of the muscles. Ronnie in 2003 had an advantage in muscularity over Dorian, but Diesel has a similar advantage over the 1999 Coleman.

  "Shape" is not only not an obective criteria, but is also evaluated together with symmetry, not muscularity. Wheeler had, to many, superb "shape" and his is why everyone said he was so symmetrical. "Shape" has nothing to do with muscularity, but it can be considered to enhance symmetry.

  Vascularity is not even a good thing as far as bodybuilding goes - in my opinion -, so I don't understand why we're even arguing about this. Now, there is a symmetry, a muscularity and a posing round in bodybuilding, and let me tell you that "vascularity" is not evaluated on either of them. It certainly doesen't make you more symmetrical or more muscular - because it doesent make your muscles bigger -, and it certainly doesen't help you pose better.

  Now, Dorian is more muscular than Ronnie, at a similar bodyweight, because he's shorter than Ronnie and he has less subcutaneous fat and water retained under his skin: hence, more of his weight is lean muscle. Quick lesson in physiology for you, Hulky. Here are pics showing why Dorian is so far more muscular than Ronnie at a similar bodyweight - and note that he has striations all over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, but you were implying that shape does not matter.

I am saying that muscle shape is certainly part of being muscular.

having big muscles without good shape makes you look crappy, sort of like this:


having big muscles with shape makes you look a lot better, sort of like this:


 

How about the shape of Ronnie's calves? how about the shape of his abdominals? how about the shape of his sidehead of his triceps? how about the shape of his bowling pin forearms? how about the shape of his ridiculous glutes that can be seen in front poses ? spare the nonsense of shape Dorian doesn't have to be Ronnie to beat Ronnie all he has to do is be Dorian at 15 out 17 I would say that worked quite well for him.

[suckmymuscle]

here is your 1993 champ, showing remarkably smooth arms and quads, just like he always did.
greater muscularity my white ass .

  You are seriously deluded if you think Dorian's muscles are soft in the pics you posted: he looks like a fucken titan sculpted in pure stone! He even has tons of the striations you cherish so much.

sucky, you are really starting to make a fool out of your self.

If you want to keep getting owned, keep posting.

  When will you start? We're on page 386 and I have been demolishing you since the beggining.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: Hulky, check out the response I gave to your questions on my post at the end of page 385.

[RocketSwitch625]

tradegic








if you guys (hulkster and pumpster) think he'll be back next year and win, you are trully insane.  those tears aint healing.

and coleman said leading up to the Olympia that nothing was torn.  liar.   

at least with dorian, when he tore his biceps, his biceps werent that good anyways or one of his main bodyparts.  so who cares? 

its like the tampa bay bucs loosing chris sims for the year.  he sucked anyway.

but with coleman, he was known for his back and biceps and now they are ruined. 

LOL. Pwned.

What happened to the calf on his right leg? Oh I forgot, there was never one there in the first place. 'Nuff said.

[Hulkster]

How about the shape of Ronnie's calves? how about the shape of his abdominals? how about the shape of his sidehead of his triceps? how about the shape of his bowling pin forearms? how about the shape of his ridiculous glutes that can be seen in front poses ? spare the nonsense of shape Dorian doesn't have to be Ronnie to beat Ronnie all he has to do is be Dorian at 15 out 17 I would say that worked quite well for him.

newsflash: having a poorly shape triceps side head is not the same as having poorly shaped delts, chest, arms, and quads

 

I'm talking about MAJOR parts here, not minor ones - parts that make a most muscular pose look like shit for example.

oh, and sucky:

your claim about Ronnie not having striations on his lower back is dead wrong:

[Hulkster]

He even has tons of the striations you cherish so much. Roll Eyes

sucky, his arms and quads are as smooth as can be in that shot and every other shot posted on this thread.

[Hulkster]

No, it doesen't. This is what you don't understand. "Muscularity", quite simply, refers to the development and size of the muscles.

what you do not understand is that developing good muscle shape is part of the development of the muscles.

when you say "greater muscularity" this implies many attributes - size, shape, detail.

It is not simply whos muscles are bigger.

[NarcissisticDeity]

newsflash: having a poorly shape triceps side head is not the same as having poorly shaped delts, chest, arms, and quads

 

I'm talking about MAJOR parts here, not minor ones - parts that make a most muscular pose look like shit for example.

oh, and sucky:

your claim about Ronnie not having striations on his lower back is dead wrong:

poorly shape triceps side head is not the same as having poorly shaped delts, chest, arms, and quads

Who do you think you're dealing with ? Greg Kovacs? poorly shaped delts ? chest and arms and quads LMFAO if that was the case he would have NEVER won a single contest against more ' shapley ' bodybuilders like Ray , Wheeler , Dillett , Levrone .

Dorian crushed everyone because he was the biggest , the most dense and the dryest bodybuilder with fantastic proportions , Ronnie lost to Guther why? because Gunther was bigger and dryer , Ronnie almost lost to Jay in 2001 because he was simlar sized and dryer , 2006 Ronnie lost to Jay because he was dryer and just as big pound-for-pound

All you need to beat Ronnie is simlar size and better conditioning and Yates has both .

[Hulkster]

Who do you think you're dealing with ? Greg Kovacs? poorly shaped delts ? chest and arms and quads LMFAO

I wouldn't be laughing so hard ND...

[NarcissisticDeity]

I wouldn't be laughing so hard ND...

See this is why your opinion will never be taken seriously by anyone with any knowlege of bodybuilding and just plain common sense , you may find comfort in other delusional super fans and nut huggers but when you make these statements it highlights your complete ignorance , seriously

This statement is on par with your other retarded statement that Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder ever , you my friend are in a sad place if you believe your own nonsense.

[Hulkster]

See this is why your opinion will never be taken seriously by anyone with any knowlege of bodybuilding and just plain common sense , you may find comfort in other delusional super fans and nut huggers but when you make these statements it highlights your complete ignorance , seriously

This statement is on par with your other retarded statement that Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder ever , you my friend are in a sad place if you believe your own nonsense.

couldn't comment on the comparison pics, could ya?

just because you can't see dorian's huge shape related flaws in major bodyparts does not mean that the rest of us can't.

[NarcissisticDeity]

couldn't comment on the comparison pics, could ya?

just because you can't see dorian's huge shape related flaws in major bodyparts does not mean that the rest of us can't.

Are you fucking-kidding me? again your stupidty is beyond reational comprehension if you think Kovacs and Yates are comprable in any way what so ever , don't presume to speak for everyone else either and the irony is Ronnie Coleman always thought very highly of Dorian Yates , Dorian got the respect from his contemporaries for a reason , just because you don't get it doesn't mean everyone is as clueless as you .

[pobrecito]

"In my opinion Dorian has better shape than Ronnie"
"In my opinion Ronnie has better shape than Dorian"

Hulkster, I challenge you to empirically prove either of these.

[NarcissisticDeity]

"In my opinion Dorian has better shape than Ronnie"
"In my opinion Ronnie has better shape than Dorian"

Hulkster, I challenge you to empirically prove either of these.

Hulkster doesn't need proof he has faith lol

[Hulkster]

only someone ignorant of bodybuilding standards would ever say that Dorian has better overall shape than Ronnie, especially in the major extremedies, such as arms and legs.

(and overall taper)

I don't see how this can be debated: Dorian was a mass monster not known for his shape.

Peak Ronnie was referred to as a "blown up version of Flex wheeler" back in the day. He was known for his shape.  Just because that all went to hell in the last few years of his career does not change this fact.





muscle shape was never one of dorian's strong points. He won by having huge massive parts. Not shapely ones.


you don't need to be emperical to see that Dorian was never this shapely.