Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

we know how to view pics and videos that show yates has major flaws yet still recieved devine scores.

you don't.

you look at the scores without comparing them to the actual pics and videos and the competition itself.

there is a crucial difference and it is one that makes your arguments so shallow.

you can't explain how yates recieved such great scores given all the evidence that shows that he never should have.

And I know you are going to chime in and say "well, you are not a judge"

No, I am not - and neither are you,  but I have two good eyes and can use them to back up my opinions.

You can only use numbers and make up excuses when yates shows his major flaws.

That is why the ronnie side has such a strong argument: we back it up.

Hell, you guys go on about Yates "striated" triceps when every shot in existance shows they have no such thing.

Your entire argument is based on the following:

1. islolated, close up shots where anyone would look good

2. numbers that are meaningless in the context of this debate

3. fantasy muscles - eg "great quads", "great arms", "striated triceps", "great taper"

these are all things that do not exist anywhere except in your mind.  No one elses.  Repeat: no one elses.

And then you try and downplay the fact that you, sucky and icecold are the only 3 people that actually think that Ronnie was worse than yates.

3 out of countless people, on this board, on mayhem, everywhere.

Only ironagers like yourself believe that the higest standard the sport has yet seen was set way back in 1992 and 1993..

we have made progress since that date:

[NarcissisticDeity]

we know how to view pics and videos that show yates has major flaws yet still recieved devine scores.

you don't.

you look at the scores without comparing them to the actual pics and videos and the competition itself.

there is a crucial difference and it is one that makes your arguments so shallow.

you can't explain how yates recieved such great scores given all the evidence that shows that he never should have.

And I know you are going to chime in and say "well, you are not a judge"

No, I am not - and neither are you,  but I have two good eyes and can use them to back up my opinions.

You can only use numbers and make up excuses when yates shows his major flaws.

That is why the ronnie side has such a strong argument: we back it up.

Hell, you guys go on about Yates "striated" triceps when every shot in existance shows they have no such thing.

Your entire argument is based on the following:

1. islolated, close up shots where anyone would look good

2. numbers that are meaningless in the context of this debate

3. fantasy muscles - eg "great quads", "great arms", "striated triceps", "great taper"

these are all things that do not exist anywhere except in your mind.  No one elses.  Repeat: no one elses.

And then you try and downplay the fact that you, sucky and icecold are the only 3 people that actually think that Ronnie was worse than yates.

3 out of countless people, on this board, on mayhem, everywhere.

Only ironagers like yourself believe that the higest standard the sport has yet seen was set way back in 1992 and 1993..

we have made progress since that date:

You never knew the fucking-judging criteria how the hell can you say you know what you're talking about? you've claimed that the judges are looking for the best x-frame , the best v-taper , the most striated ass lol you also claimed that calves aren't an important muscle


You never knew the crteria until I posted it for you to see and even then you cherry picked what you liked and ignored the rest , am I a judge? no but I know more about how competitions are judged than you and pumpster do

I posted coutless comparisions with Yates to his contemporaries and explained in detail why Dorian is clearly better , you need to go reread some of this tread 12 judges deemed Dorian Yates a clearly better bodybuilder than his contemporaries and you don't get it , you're saying you and pumpster are right and the 12 judges are completely wrong talk about obnoxious lol all 12 judges can't be wrong I hate to break it to you they toss out both the high & low scores to insure no favortism

You have nothing to work with sport , the judges own you !

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yet another shot of Dorian "twigs" Yates getting killed, this time back double-bi..beaten in all aspects, even back & cuts along with arms, as usual.

Oh boy lol sure he is lol sure he is

[RocketSwitch625]

Ronnie Coleman is the Frank Bruno of bodybuilding. He had the Olympia title handed to him on a plate.

[RUDE BUOY]

Ronnie Coleman is the Frank Bruno of bodybuilding. He had the Olympia title handed to him on a plate.

dude Coleman did deserve some of the Olympias he has won

[NarcissisticDeity]

you can't explain how yates recieved such great scores given all the evidence that shows that he never should have.

I have explained why...but you keep insisting the evidence shows the contrary and it doesn't . Hulkster you've claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , this statement clearly shows that you don't like Dorian and have already come to a conclusion that even the judges them selves couldn't rectify , its all good that you hate Dorian but at least have some balls to be honest about it.

[NeoSeminole]

Lights Out, Game Over!!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lights Out, Game Over!!!

Great shot he just barely beat Flex a man who easily beat a much sharper Flex lol he won by just 3 points that has to be the closest Mr Olympia contest in the history of the sport.

[Hulkster]

It was ONLY close because of Flex's political momentum. He was soft compared to Ronnie that year and you know it:






no different than Dorian in 1992 - he had so much momentum with haney gone the title had his name on it.

he could have showed up looking like 1994 and they still would have given it to him.

Kevin never stood a chance with that kind of momentum going in.

[Hulkster]

you've claimed that the judges are looking for the best x-frame , the best v-taper

are you saying that these are not attributes that the judges will give points for when comparing two competitors?

 
Nd you have no clue how bodybuiling is actually judged.

you claim the judges don't care about X frames and V-tapers when in reality the judges have been awarding points for these attributes since Sergio's days.

 

ND: an internet fan bodybulding veteran with a novice knowledge of the sport...

[NeoSeminole]

Great shot he just barely beat Flex a man who easily beat a much sharper Flex lol he won by just 3 points that has to be the closest Mr Olympia contest in the history of the sport.

You see, that's your problem son. You only look at numbers. It was never really that close.

[NarcissisticDeity]

It was ONLY close because of Flex's political momentum. He was soft compared to Ronnie that year and you know it:




no different than Dorian in 1992 - he had so much momentum with haney gone the title had his name on it.

he could have showed up looking like 1994 and they still would have given it to him.

Kevin never stood a chance with that kind of momentum going in.

You can't claim it was of Flex's momentum if that was the case the judges would have picked him , Flex routinely beat Ronnie when he was on and Ronnie could return the favor when Flex was off and thats what happened in this case , Flex said weeks before the Olympia he was unconsciously sabotaging his efforts to win due to selfdoubt , he was 100% and he paid for it as much as I like Flex I think they picked the right man in 1998 with that being said Ronnie was harder in the glutes and hams and thats why he won lol

And Yates had NO momentum in 1992 he wasn't the overall favorite Vince Taylor was , along with Levrone he was in thr running but it wasn't a foregone conclusion.

[pumpster]

ND & cronies still have no viable explanation for '97 & perfect scores, because there isn't one. Still waiting... End of discussion; ND's "arguments" are a house of cards-once '97's scores are without credibility, so then are other years. Nothing but silence..i hear crickets.

[delta9mda]

400?

[Hulkster]

You see, that's your problem son. You only look at numbers. It was never really that close.

ND is so intent on jerking off to score cards he never actually looks at the physiques.

why do you think he is so high on Dorian?


for example, the scorecards say that Flex/Ronnie was close in 1998.

the scorecards say that Dorian/Shawn was NOT close in 1994.

According to ND, 1998 was close and 1994 was not.

why does he say this?

because, unlike all of us, he does not actually look at the contest pics before coming to the conclusion.

He simply goes by the scores.

And even Helen Keller could tell you that Dorian/Ray was WAY closer than Ronnie/Flex (in fact, it wasn't really close according to almost everyone - Ray was robbed)

[delta9mda]

no 400 yet?

[NarcissisticDeity]

are you saying that these are not attributes that the judges will give points for when comparing two competitors?

 
Nd you have no clue how bodybuiling is actually judged.

you claim the judges don't care about X frames and V-tapers when in reality the judges have been awarding points for these attributes since Sergio's days.

 

ND: an internet fan bodybulding veteran with a novice knowledge of the sport...

Nice attempt at reverse phsychology but it failed , please show me where in the offical judging criteria does it say they are specifically looking for the best x-frame it can't be done , how do I know? becuse I've read the whole criteria for every pose and unlike you I comprehend it , v-taper does play a role but again the best V-taper doesn't mean an automatic winner , you have NO knowlege of the bodybuilding criteria when you don't understand why Dorian dominated bodybuilding in grand fashion

and I was a fan of bodybuilding long before the internet kid lol back then we actually read books on the subject and I've read a LOT of books on bodybuilding starting since 1986 

[NarcissisticDeity]

You see, that's your problem son. You only look at numbers. It was never really that close.

No it was really that close !! and Ronnie was very lucky .

[Hulkster]

ND, you have such a novice knowledge of this sport.

the best X-frame does not necessarily win.

neither does the best V-taper

or the best detail

or the best shape etc etc.


all of these things work together to create a better overall physique.

hence, why peak Ronnie would easily beat dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND is so intent on jerking off to score cards he never actually looks at the physiques.

why do you think he is so high on Dorian?


for example, the scorecards say that Flex/Ronnie was close in 1998.

the scorecards say that Dorian/Shawn was NOT close in 1994.

According to ND, 1998 was close and 1994 was not.

why does he say this?

because, unlike all of us, he does not actually look at the contest pics before coming to the conclusion.

He simply goes by the scores.

And even Helen Keller could tell you that Dorian/Ray was WAY closer than Ronnie/Flex (in fact, it wasn't really close according to almost everyone - Ray was robbed)

Ray wasn't robbed he was very lucky to finish ahead of Levrone and accroding to the audience it was NOT a popular placing with the fans , Hulkster 1994 wasn't close in reality and on paper 1994 NO contest 1998 verry very close.

Yates was off but he was the clear winner

Shawn Ray " I feel I got the place I deserved " you can't counter that .

[Hulkster]

Nice attempt at reverse phsychology but it failed , please show me where in the offical judging criteria does it say they are specifically looking for the best x-frame it can't be done , how do I know? becuse I've read the whole criteria for every pose and unlike you I comprehend it , v-taper does play a role but again the best V-taper doesn't mean an automatic winner , you have NO knowlege of the bodybuilding criteria when you don't understand why Dorian dominated bodybuilding in grand fashion

and I was a fan of bodybuilding long before the internet kid lol back then we actually read books on the subject and I've read a LOT of books on bodybuilding starting since 1986 

HA! I first got interested right around the time Albert Beckles won the NOC in 1985!

got you beat by a year, and a whole lot of knowledge!

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you have such a novice knowledge of this sport.

the best X-frame does not necessarily win.

neither does the best V-taper

or the best detail

or the best shape etc etc.


all of these things work together to create a better overall physique.

hence, why peak Ronnie would easily beat dorian.

This is comming from the same moron who goes on to list part-by-part how much more superior Ronnie's parts are compared to Dorian , Yet it was ME ( thank you ) who said repeatedly that meant nothing because the sum of Ronnie's parts don't make for the best whole ( balance & proportion ) Hence why Yates looks so much better to Ronnie in the side triceps , side chest , abdominal & thigh , front & rear latspreads , can very easily hold his own in the back double biceps , how soon we forget .

[NarcissisticDeity]

HA! I first got interested right around the time Albert Beckles won the NOC in 1985!

got you beat by a year, and a whole lot of knowledge!

It doesn't matter when you got interested it how much knowlege you've accumlated and judging by your statment Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , its NOT VERY MUCH lol read some books , I have. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian never had a close call in reality or on paper you can't debate this , the judges deemed him head & shoulders above his contemporaries and if you claim the judging is flawed than its flawed in Ronnies case as well , either the judging works or it doesn't , you can't have it both ways thats called hypocritical and biased , hey wait I am afterall dealing with a Coleman fan .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Low and behold dorian in all his greatness.