Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Considering the abs-and-thighs is Ronnie's worst pose, he doesn't look that bad.

[NeoSeminole]

abs-and-thighs comparison

[pobrecito]

Ronnie has better thigh separation, worse calves. But look at how much drier Yates is in the upper body. Much tighter. I doubt it would be enough to overcome Ronnie's muscularity, however, Dorian has more quality in this pose IMO

[pobrecito]

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie is onstage under bright lights while Dorian is backstage with dim lighting, and he still beats Dorian.

[pobrecito]

Ronnie is onstage under bright lights while Dorian is backstage with dim lighting, and he still beats Dorian.

I could care less who beats who. I think they are both very impressive in their own rights. Dorian is about 10lbs heavier in that comparison and better conditioned. Ronnie has superior shape and a smaller waist. I thin they both look very impressive.

[Shockwave]

Ronnie is onstage under bright lights while Dorian is backstage with dim lighting, and he still beats Dorian.

Dorian looks more balanced. Ronnie looks more like a cartoon.

[delta9mda]

guess who bitches     * 1985 World Games, 7th
    * 1990 Night of Champions, 2nd
    * 1991 Night of Champions, 1st
    * 1991 Mr. Olympia, 2nd
    * 1991 English Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1992 Mr. Olympia, 1st
    * 1992 English Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1993 Mr. Olympia, 1st
    * 1994 Mr. Olympia, 1st
    * 1994 Spanish Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1994 German Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1994 English Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1995 Mr. Olympia, 1st
    * 1996 Mr. Olympia, 1st
    * 1996 Spanish Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1996 German Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1996 English Grand Prix, 1st
    * 1997 Mr. Olympia, 1st

[pumpster]

however, Dorian has more quality in this pose IMO

Shouldn't he, if this is one of his few good poses that hide all the flaws? All the rest of the poses look decidedly tier-B, sadly..

[pumpster]

Yates with a nice natural beet-color; is this supposed to be a tan? 

Where's the twig arm definition..does it exist?

[pumpster]

Striking contrast: Coleman with cuts, refinement, shape & size, Yates with none of it.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster listen to me carefully , no bodybuilder is flawless , you see what you want to see in pictures of Dorian compared to others and the judges contradict your opinion and their numbers are based on their assesment of Dorian Yates compared to his contemporaries in the four rounds of bodybuilding competition , the muscularity round , the symmetry round and the two posing rounds

You posted a picture of Dorian from 1995 vs Shawn Ray in the back double bicep pose and then go on to claim how he's getting his ass kicked by Shawn , despite being 50lbs lighter , despite not coming even close to Dorian in terms of muscle density , width and thicknes , but you come to the conclsuion he's getting owned , your ability to accurately & objectively asses Dorian vs his contemporaries is severly lacking

you keep bitching about the scores , and how they mean nothing NO they mean everything , they are the end result of a cumulitive process in which through direct comparisons a winner is chosen , and you don't get it because you're to biased to look past your own preferrences .

me biased? what about the fact that there has been 5000 pics and videos showing Yates mediocre (yes, mediocre) quads and arms and you seem to ignore the fact that these MASSIVE flaws that hurt him in MANY POSES in RELATION to Labrada, Ray, Nasser, Kevin, Flex, Dillett and many others did NOT have ANY affect on his AMAZING SCORES.

No, THAT is bias.

 

You have yet to comment on this glaring anomoly.

Despite what your ridiculous claims might be: Dorian's arm complex looked  bad from so many angles as did his quads, which lacked good cuts and sweep.

You ignore these facts but it is true.

You cling to the numbers without justifying them other than to say "oh, the judges are right!

Well, that is not good enough.

You have to SHOW WHY in relation to his competitors.

Showing a closeup shot of his arm is meaningless when all that has to happen is for another pro to stand beside him and his arms quickly turn to shit.

You have yet to grasp the concept that Yates recieved scores higher than warranted.

and you have yet to prove your argument that he was as godlike as the score suggest.

on the other hand, we have show quite easily that Yates received inflated scores, based on lots of visual (not numerical) evidence.

[Hulkster]

this shot is a great example of the tactic (flawed) that the Yates fans use.

It shows dorian standing in poor light with a wasp-looking waist.

by himself.

in REALITY: whenever he stood next to ANYONE his waist looked VERY wide, ruining the pleasing effect of the pose:





in fact, Yates waist was so wide, in most shots you didn't need to have him standing beside someone to see how wide it really was...

on the other hand, ronnie 99 had a very tiny waist.

[NarcissisticDeity]

me biased? what about the fact that there has been 5000 pics and videos showing Yates mediocre (yes, mediocre) quads and arms and you seem to ignore the fact that these MASSIVE flaws that hurt him in MANY POSES in RELATION to Labrada, Ray, Nasser, Kevin, Flex, Dillett and many others did NOT have ANY affect on his AMAZING SCORES.

No, THAT is bias.

 

You have yet to comment on this glaring anomoly.

Despite what your ridiculous claims might be: Dorian's arm complex looked  bad from so many angles as did his quads, which lacked good cuts and sweep.

You ignore these facts but it is true.

You cling to the numbers without justifying them other than to say "oh, the judges are right!

Well, that is not good enough.

You have to SHOW WHY in relation to his competitors.

Showing a closeup shot of his arm is meaningless when all that has to happen is for another pro to stand beside him and his arms quickly turn to shit.

You have yet to grasp the concept that Yates recieved scores higher than warranted.

and you have yet to prove your argument that he was as godlike as the score suggest.

on the other hand, we have show quite easily that Yates received inflated scores, based on lots of visual (not numerical) evidence.

You have it all wrong son , Dorian recieved the great scores from the judges and to the rational mind they're NOT in dispute .

Again you think you know more than the judges and you're dead wrong , history owns you you can't argue with it , you can't deny it , you can only deal with it.

Dorian Yates simply owns most of the mandatory poses , the front & rear latspread , the sidechest and side triceps , the back double biceps , the abdominal & thigh none of the people he competed with durring his reign could compared to him in these shots OVERALL !! ( keyword )

[NarcissisticDeity]

this shot is a great example of the tactic (flawed) that the Yates fans use.

It shows dorian standing in poor light with a wasp-looking waist.

by himself.

in REALITY: whenever he stood next to ANYONE his waist looked VERY wide, ruining the pleasing effect of the pose:


in fact, Yates waist was so wide, in most shots you didn't need to have him standing beside someone to see how wide it really was...

on the other hand, ronnie 99 had a very tiny waist.

Again you don't get it , Dorian NEVER beat anyone because of a small waist , he doesn't need to have a small waist to beat people with small waists , Ronnie had a extremeley small waist in 92/94/95/96/96 and Dorian crushed HIM , Shawn Ray had an extremely small waist in 1992/93/94/95/96/97 and got CRUSHED

You're stuck-on-stupid with this idea a smaller waist means a guy is the better of the two or its automatic winner its not

[Hulkster]

You have it all wrong son , Dorian recieved the great scores from the judges and to the rational mind they're NOT in dispute .

Again you think you know more than the judges and you're dead wrong , history owns you you can't argue with it , you can't deny it , you can only deal with it.

Dorian Yates simply owns most of the mandatory poses , the front & rear latspread , the sidechest and side triceps , the back double biceps , the abdominal & thigh none of the people he competed with durring his reign could compared to him in these shots OVERALL !! ( keyword )

see, your missing my point.

saying "you are wrong and the judges are right" doesn't show anything.

you have to PROVE that the scores were justified.

you have to show how dorian's massive flaws really did not deserve to affect his amazing scores.

you have yet to do that.

And we have done exactly that using pic after pic, video after video..


when your arms and legs are the worst onstage out of the top 6 and you receieve PERFECT scores, something is wrong.

you are saying that everything is perfect.

WHY?

lets have it.

[Hulkster]

Again you don't get it , Dorian NEVER beat anyone because of a small waist , he doesn't need to have a small waist to beat people with small waists , Ronnie had a extremeley small waist in 92/94/95/96/96 and Dorian crushed HIM , Shawn Ray had an extremely small waist in 1992/93/94/95/96/97 and got CRUSHED

You're stuck-on-stupid with this idea a smaller waist means a guy is the better of the two or its automatic winner its not

Who ever said having a small waist wins the contest?

no one.

but the facts are this: dorian didn't need a small waist to beat guys with smaller waists in the judges eyes because he was 30 pounds heavier than they were.

That advantage would be GONE because Ronnie was the same size.

ND, you are going to have one hell of a time proving that Dorian's inflated scores were accurate given his flaws in comparison to the others.

But, given your obsession with the accuracy of the judges scores, I can't wait to see you try.

[NarcissisticDeity]

see, your missing my point.

saying "you are wrong and the judges are right" doesn't show anything.

you have to PROVE that the scores were justified.

you have to show how dorian's massive flaws really did not deserve to affect his amazing scores.

you have yet to do that.

And we have done exactly that using pic after pic, video after video..


when your arms and legs are the worst onstage out of the top 6 and you receieve PERFECT scores, something is wrong.

you are saying that everything is perfect.

WHY?

lets have it.

No again you're simply wrong ! the judges are only in question by you and pumpy , both which are fueled by bias no one is questioning the judges but you the delusional , delusion is the presistance of a belief in the face of facts , the facts are the judges decisions , if you think they're wrong the burden of proof lies on you to provide PROOF of them being wrong , and you've provided your ' proof ' heavily slanted useless pic comparisions , nonsense logic and reasoning , you'll never be taken seriously by anyone with any degree of commonsense and logic , you think you know more than the judges and you've never seen a live professional contest lol do you realize how retarded that sounds?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Who ever said having a small waist wins the contest?

no one.

but the facts are this: dorian didn't need a small waist to beat guys with smaller waists in the judges eyes because he was 30 pounds heavier than they were.

That advantage would be GONE because Ronnie was the same size.

ND, you are going to have one hell of a time proving that Dorian's inflated scores were accurate given his flaws in comparison to the others.

But, given your obsession with the accuracy of the judges scores, I can't wait to see you try.

Yes Paul Dillett was 30lbs lighter than Dorian lol where do you come from? lol Levrone was 250lbs with a smaller waist than Dorian , keep trying kid 

and the judges scoring is NOT in dispute just by you and pumpy I don't have to prove anything , you think the scoring is nonsense you prove it , you think you know more than the judges YET never attended a pro contest EVER , do you realize how retarded that sounds?

[NeoSeminole]

ND doesn't want to admit the reason Dorian won is b/c he:

a) was bigger (this explains why he beat Shawn and Flex)
b) had the best back (this explains why he beat Nasser, Paul Dillet, and Kevin)

the reason he won't admit to this is b/c it would mean Ronnie in 03 would beat Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND doesn't want to admit the reason Dorian won is b/c he:

a) was bigger (this explains why he beat Shawn and Flex)
b) had the best back (this explains why he beat Nasser, Paul Dillet, and Kevin)

the reason he won't admit to this is b/c it would mean Ronnie in 03 would beat Dorian.

It can't be coinsidence that most Coleman fans are idiots , it just can't be lol

A) Dorian wasn't always bigger than his competition , Paul Dillett 275lbs , Loue Ferrigno 318lbs , Ian Harrison 280lbs , Nasser El Sonbaty 285lbs , Paul Demayo 260lbs , Mike Francios 260lbs , Kevin Levrone 250lbs ,Jean Pierre Fux 280lbs , Ronnie Coleman 255lbs,  shall I continue?

B) Dorian did have the best back thats more certainly true but its NOT the sole reason he won , its part of it

And seeing you're a Johnny-come-lately on this tread I already conceeded that Ronnie 2003 may beat Dorian of ANY year may beat him , I don't think it would be a cake-walk for Ronnie , Ronnie made have had an easy time with a flat Jay Cutler and a small Dexter Jackson but he would have his hands full with a spot on no tear 257lb dry-to-the-bone dense Dorian Yates , Yates is NO pushover !

So now that I've owned your ass , go back to making slanted comparisions of Yates/Ronnie and pat yourself on the back for a good job .

[NeoSeminole]

ha ha ha, you "owned" me? Silly boy. Re-read my last post. You completely misunderstood my point a).

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, you "owned" me? Silly boy. Re-read my last post. You completely misunderstood my point a).

lol sure 

[nicorulez]

It can't be coinsidence that most Coleman fans are idiots , it just can't be lol

A) Dorian wasn't always bigger than his competition , Paul Dillett 275lbs , Loue Ferrigno 318lbs , Ian Harrison 280lbs , Nasser El Sonbaty 285lbs , Paul Demayo 260lbs , Mike Francios 260lbs , Kevin Levrone 250lbs ,Jean Pierre Fux 280lbs , Ronnie Coleman 255lbs,  shall I continue?

B) Dorian did have the best back thats more certainly true but its NOT the sole reason he won , its part of it

And seeing you're a Johnny-come-lately on this tread I already conceeded that Ronnie 2003 may beat Dorian of ANY year may beat him , I don't think it would be a cake-walk for Ronnie , Ronnie made have had an easy time with a flat Jay Cutler and a small Dexter Jackson but he would have his hands full with a spot on no tear 257lb dry-to-the-bone dense Dorian Yates , Yates is NO pushover !

So now that I've owned your ass , go back to making slanted comparisions of Yates/Ronnie and pat yourself on the back for a good job .

Come on ND, I am definitely no idiot; you know that my friend.    However, I completely agree about Ronnie looking horrible this year; it was absolutely pathetic.  The difference between me and other Coleman fans is that I can admit that Dorian was an incredible, great bodybuilder in his prime.  However, I tend to concur with Pumpster that he looked like dog poo in 1997; unfortunately for Nasser, he did not have a back to speak of so he lost.  If he would have had a back; it would have been a flawless victory.  Regardless, I also agree that Ronnie would have won based on his shape and size in 2003 against Dorian of any year.  However, like you, I suspect that his best shape may have been 1999.  Paradoxically, I agree with you that Ronnie in that year would have probably had a more difficult time defeating Dorian of 1993/1995 as he would not have had the overwhelming size advantage.  The unfortunate reality is that the judging is now skewed toward incredible size at the expense of shape.  Cutler is absolutely the worst Mr. Olympia of twenty odd years.  He has zero shape; Ronnie at 80% and Dorian of every year but 1997 would have destroyed this 2006 Gutler.  Ronnie would not have destroyed Yates.  Yates was a warrior and would have battled to the end.  Thus, I give major props to both bodbybuilders.  However, I am disappointed that Ronnie let Chad talk him into competing at 295 in off-season shape.  Sad.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Come on ND, I am definitely no idiot; you know that my friend.    However, I completely agree about Ronnie looking horrible this year; it was absolutely pathetic.  The difference between me and other Coleman fans is that I can admit that Dorian was an incredible, great bodybuilder in his prime.  However, I tend to concur with Pumpster that he looked like dog poo in 1997; unfortunately for Nasser, he did not have a back to speak of so he lost.  If he would have had a back; it would have been a flawless victory.  Regardless, I also agree that Ronnie would have won based on his shape and size in 2003 against Dorian of any year.  However, like you, I suspect that his best shape may have been 1999.  Paradoxically, I agree with you that Ronnie in that year would have probably had a more difficult time defeating Dorian of 1993/1995 as he would not have had the overwhelming size advantage.  The unfortunate reality is that the judging is now skewed toward incredible size at the expense of shape.  Cutler is absolutely the worst Mr. Olympia of twenty odd years.  He has zero shape; Ronnie at 80% and Dorian of every year but 1997 would have destroyed this 2006 Gutler.  Ronnie would not have destroyed Yates.  Yates was a warrior and would have battled to the end.  Thus, I give major props to both bodbybuilders.  However, I am disappointed that Ronnie let Chad talk him into competing at 295 in off-season shape.  Sad.

I apologize for lumping you in with the zealots , you are not an idiot and if thats the impression you got them I'm sorry ! like I've said before Ronnie has a ton of respect for Dorian its just a shame that some of his fans don't get it when the man himself does .

The difference between me and pumpy & Hulkster is I can seperate my personal preferences from the reality of the situation , I personally like Flex Wheeler's phsyqiue but I don't think he should have won in 1993 , I personally DON'T like Ronnie Coleman's phsyique but I don't think he should have lost in 1998 , Hulkster jusy hates Dorian for some odd reason , maybe because Dorian beat Ronnie 9 times  I'll bet that Hulkster ONLY became a fan of Ronnie after he won the Olympia !