Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

Great back no doubt but Yates still has him !

He didn't even have the other guys..

[nicorulez]

Great back no doubt but Yates still has him !

ND, we agree to disagree.  Coleman in this pic (2003) is bigger and much thicker.  He may not have the sick dryness that Dorian had in that other shot, but his arms, delts, glutes and hams overwhelm Yates.  Granted, his calves are weak (relatively), but Dorian's arms are weak from the back.  Compared to everyone he competed against, it was Dorian in a walk (except for Wheeler in detail).  However, Ronnie did take it to another level of thickness and size in 2003.  Dorian may have had him in detail, but Ronnie had everything else.  Now, if you are talking about Coleman in 2006....dogpoop...zero detail and average size.  Regardless, you prefer the detail and density of Doz.  I respect that my friend.  If they competed, I can definitely see some IFBB judges going your way.  On the other hand, I surmise there are those who agree with me.  Regardless, neither Coleman or Doz (at their best) would get perfect scores across the board if they competed at alltime best shape against one another.  I feel we can agree on that. 

[suckmymuscle]

of course he does.
dorian was good.

Ronnie was better.

  The score cards, competitive history and overrall professional careers of both bodybuilders show a different story...

the standard was raised, plain and simple.

  You keep saying this shit for no other reason, I suspect, than to be annoying. Ronnie didn't raise any standards in 1999, you moron. He did raise the standard, but at the 2003 Olympia, and for muscularity. Ronnie in 1999 was pretty mediocre. His muscularity was common place and even sub-par by then - Nasser, Dorian,Fux, Dillet, etc, all had previously shown equal or greater muscularity. Ronnie's taper was not that great and his midsection was sub-par when compared to Dorian's.

  Now, Ronnie had round and separated muscles, granted. But Dorian's muscles, while not as round and separated as Ronnie's, were bigger and harder-looking. You might prefer Ronnie's type of muscles, but I prefer Dorian's. Yates had a "stony" look to his muscles which appeal more to me and to other fans than the kind of "swelled" muscle bellies which characterized Ronnie's physique.

  So, in conclusion, Ronnie did not raise the standard, in 1999, either for muscularity or symmetry. You could argue that he had a combination of great taper at over 250 lbs that we hadn't seen before. The problem here is that Dorian had a combination of flat stomach and etched serratus at the same bodyweight Ronnie had in 1999 that no one had seen before. Besides, Levrone had even better taper and a flat stomach than Ronnie at 250 lbs. So Ronnie set no new standard because his size was mundane and he already had some symmetrical liabilities, such as a gut, large glutes and no calves at that weight. Again, you do have a point that Ronnie was 257 lbs was good taper, but Dorian was the same weigt, six years before, with etched serratus and a flat stomach - which Ronnie did not have in 1999 -, and his muscle size was even greater and his muscles looked much harder than Ronnie's. So, who set the standard? I believe that Wheeler set a standard for symmetry, at the 1993 ASC, that has never been surpassed, and Ronnie did set a standard for muscularity(not quality), in 2003, which has also never been surpassed. But 1999? No.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Son, fix that shit

edit: good job

[suckmymuscle]

simple:

1. Dorian's upper back double bi lacked the benefit of great arms.

2. his back also lacked the deep ridges of muscle that ronnie's has (people have often said dorian's back looked "flat" in comparison to Ronnie's, and I have refered to the "lumpiness" of Ronnie's back in comparison to Dorian's as well).

3. His back taper (esp. in the rear lat spread) was not as good thanks to a wider waist.

In terms of the lower back, well, dorians' had the best.

  So you're assessing an entire physique based on a single mandatory? He took it to another level because, even though he had no advantage in overrall muscularity, proportions and conditioning over Dorian, he had more "lumpiness" on his upper back while doing the back double biceps? It doesen't even matter that Ronnie's back wasn't that great when standing relaxed: while contracting the muscles, while doing a single mandatory, Hulkster believes that Ronnie was better because the shape - not even the separations - of his upper back was better than Dorian's. In reality, , on the back double biceps, Dorian's teres major and minor were thicker than Ronnie's in 1999, and on the lat spread, his latissimus spread wider. Sure, Dorian's waist is thicker, but since his lats are wider, the taper advantage of Ronnie is neglegible. Waht about proportions? Dorian's overrall proportions are at least comparable compared to teh 1999 Ronnie, because his midsection is flat. Dorian has a better sidce triceps and a more proportional side chest mandatory than the 1999 Ronnie. Do you take that in consideration? No. The 1999 Ronnie has no significant advantage over Dorian, but Dorian has the advantage of having bigger and harder muscles. Game over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

define "new development".
if you are speaking about developing muscles in the back in the back to a level that had not yet been seen, well, than ronnie had "new development" for the reasons I listed.

  Ronnie's muscles are the same as Dorian's, anatomically speaking: they have the same muscles. Since Dorian's overrall muscle back size was greater than that of Ronnie in 1999, it's obvious that most of Dorian's back muscles were more developed than Ronnie's. "Development", as far as muscles goe, is a measure of hypertrophy, and the botom line is that Dorian's muscles were more hypertrophied than Ronnie's. Now, you could have a point if Ronnie had more separations in his upper back than Dorian. Unfortunately, hois advantage there is very small, and even then, separations have nothing to do with development, but with conditioning - you increase your muscular separations by losing fat and water under the muscles.

if you are trying to say that Dorian developed muscles in the back that had not been seen up until that point, well, then you are wrong.

  What the f**k are you talking about?! All muscles of the back that can be seen are visible even in people who never did resistence trining in their lives - provided that their bodyfat is low enough. Dorian showed the exact same muscles that any other bodybuilder had, with the added benefit of greater development. If your bodyfat is low enough, you'll see all the muscles that can be seen. Now, Ronnie does have slightly better separations than Dorian, because torax is more concave than Dorian. But conversely, Dorian has greater size and density. It's a mute point.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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[NeoSeminole]

on the back double biceps, Dorian's teres major and minor were thicker than Ronnie's in 1999, and on the lat spread, his latissimus spread wider. Sure, Dorian's waist is thicker, but since his lats are wider, the taper advantage of Ronnie is neglegible.

Sure

[suckmymuscle]

SUCKY's beginning to look coherent by comparison. ND's left with voices inside the head repeating the word "Coleman".

  Using the words "coherence" and "Pumpster", in the same sentence, makes as much sense as using the words "Coleman" and "dominated". Seriously, Pumpster, you fucking retard, I have owned you so many times that I should claim property rights over your asshole. I marked my territory over you with my spooge, in this thread, by owning you again and again ad nauseum. Just give up. You're no match for me. I'm far more intelligent than you and knew more about bodybuilding ten years ago than you will ten years from now. I ripped you a new asshole in this thread. Your humiliation is epical. What a dick-sucking loser you are. You now have both mine and Ronie's spooge all over your asshole.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[RocketSwitch625]

Coleman fans OWNED.

[the shadow]

Coleman fans OWNED.

who the hell is that..is that yates.i heard back in 1990's in flex they had this contest the biggest guy we have ever seen..whos is that.i bet that is yates.post some more flex mag scans

[NeoSeminole]

Coleman fans OWNED.

son, pleeaassee! Dorian is standing close to the camera. If the proportions in that pic were accurate, then Dorian's head would measure 10" around. Try again.

[NeoSeminole]

this is what would REALLY happen if Dorian stood next to prime Ronnie.

[the shadow]

1997

awesome pics there ND...amazing pics

[the shadow]

418 goddamn pages about who's better, Dorian or Ronnie???


Are you people fuccking for real?

dude they ain't gonna listen to anybody unless and until one of the teams accept defeat and that my friend won't happen..atleast from these 418 pages it looks like its gonna go for 418 more pages...SON OF FREAKS IN THIS THREAD

[Hulkster]

What the f**k are you talking about?! All muscles of the back that can be seen are visible even in people who never did resistence trining in their lives - provided that their bodyfat is low enough. Dorian showed the exact same muscles that any other bodybuilder had, with the added benefit of greater development. If your bodyfat is low enough, you'll see all the muscles that can be seen.

exactly. this is the point your retard friend ND did not understand.

He was trying to claim that I had said that dorian some new development as far as back is concerned.

I showed him that there is no such thing.

everyone's back is the same. Its just whether or not you can see the muscles.

but the LEVEL of development is different.

that is why frank zane has no back compared to coleman.

ND could not undertstand this.

[pumpster]

Here is the true comparison, rocketdweeb. Looks like the before and after pics:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Coleman fans OWNED.

Hey Neo & Hulkster his back looks flat there huh? lol tools.

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly. this is the point your retard friend ND did not understand.

He was trying to claim that I had said that dorian some new development as far as back is concerned.

I showed him that there is no such thing.

everyone's back is the same. Its just whether or not you can see the muscles.

but the LEVEL of development is different.

that is why frank zane has no back compared to coleman.

ND could not undertstand this.

No you claimed Ronnie showed a new level of back development that the sport has never seen , and when I was done laughing I called you on it and you were caught confused more so than usual .

[RocketSwitch625]

Here is the true comparison, rocketdweeb. Looks like the before and after pics:

Look at the amount of light on Coleman's back compared to Yates' there. The light is making his back look more impressive than it really is. Also the angles of both shots are completely different. Yates is destroying Coleman in hardness and width in that pic and everyone knows it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look at the amount of light on Coleman's back compared to Yates' there. The light is making his back look more impressive than it really is. Also the angles of both shots are completely different. Yates is destroying Coleman in hardness and width in that pic and everyone knows it.

Whats funny about that comparision is thats Ronnie at 249lbs at the 1998 Mr Olympia and Dorian at 257lbs at the 1993 Mr Olympia and in no way is Ronnie weighing less going to make Yates look small , and I've bitched about how its funny both Yates and Ronnie have the same size waist in that pic , which isn't true in reality not to mention the different angles but this comparision was made by a Coleman guy and you can't expect them to be accurate or fair.

[pumpster]

Look at the amount of light on Coleman's back compared to Yates' there.

Weak-lighting's all that rocketdweeb can come up with for the dominance; BTW that's another of ND's desperation moves along with numbers obsession re: bodyweight and contest scores-easier than dealing with reality.

Whats funny about that comparision is thats Ronnie at 249lbs at the 1998 Mr Olympia and Dorian at 257lbs at the 1993 Mr Olympia and in no way is Ronnie weighing less going to make Yates look small

Entirely irrelevant numbers obsession that misses the point.

BTW what is the value of the closeup of Yates' back other than proving that he's got an ugly physique with bad skin?

[Hedgehog]

Coleman fans OWNED.

Great pic of Dozzer.

There's a quality to the 1993 Yates that is incredible.

Side note: Dozzers forearms are better than Ronnies, which says more about Doz' forearms, since Ronnie has great forearms IMO.

YIP
Zack

[RocketSwitch625]

BTW what is the value of the closeup of Yates' back other than proving that he's got an ugly physique with bad skin?

Ronnie Coleman is the ugliest man in bodybuilding. But I forgot, you're not a fan of bodybuilding, you're just a fan of Ronnie "Chrome Dome" Coleman.

[Hulkster]

that is one of the ugliest shot I have ever seen .  Looks like he is made out of play-dough, and is beginning to melt...

that is one of the problems with dorian's physique compared to Ronnie, Flex and Shawn.

it is just plain ugly in comparison.





 

at least Ronnie has some appealing lines when he was around 250.

[pumpster]

Great pic of Dozzer.

There's a quality to the 1993 Yates that is incredible.

Sadly, the back is Yates' only strongpoint along with calves. 

But I forgot, you're not a fan of bodybuilding, you're just a fan of Ronnie "Chrome Dome" Coleman.

I've been following BB longer than you've been breathing, judging from the infantile perspectives i've seen.