Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

This guy is angry 'cause he knows that he lost the argument before it even started.

Well it goes to show what Camp-Coleman have to work with , I posted a comment from Lee Preist where he said that Yates would easily beat Ronnie and pumpster insinuated Preist is a rascist because a lot of Australian people are lol these are the mental giants we're dealing with on this thread.

[NeoSeminole]

This guy is angry 'cause he knows that he lost the argument before it even started.

Oh really? What argument would that be? I've been arguing that Ronnie in 03 would beat any version of Dorian. Most people agree with me including Sucky. The only real debate seems to be who would win between 99 Ronnie and Dorian.

[delta9mda]

its all subjective and speculation. just like ice skating. are we going to make 500?

[nicorulez]

Well it goes to show what Camp-Coleman have to work with , I posted a comment from Lee Preist where he said that Yates would easily beat Ronnie and pumpster insinuated Preist is a rascist because a lot of Australian people are lol these are the mental giants we're dealing with on this thread.

ND, come now my friend.  Lee Priest is one thing, but Flex and many other bodybuilding scribes have stated that nobody in history would have been beaten Ronnie in 2003.  Even Jay Cutler admitted he was otherworldly that year.  Yes, his waist was not as waspish as it was in 1998/1999, but his degree of muscularity was unprecedented.  Do not side with the morons Rocketswitch...whatever. ...as even you admit the assertion that Yates combined upper arms (not forearms are marginal to Ronnie Colemans) are equal to Coleman's is laughable and asinine.  2D my ass!  When the hell has a 23-24 inch arm been 2D; you are officially a moron Rocketdipshit.  Thus, my problem with this thread.  For every person who believes that Dorian is superior, you can find as many easily who feel that way about Ronnie.  Comparing them and admitting that it would be an epic battle is one thing; however, you are almost sounding like Pumpster in the opposite sense in that you are starting to truly believe the Yates would win a romp.  That is utter BS and you know it.  In a fair (i.e. unbiased IFBB judging... ) posedown comparing Ronnie 2003 to Dorian 1993; it would be splitting hairs.  Ronnie has the mass to spare; Yates is 25 pounds lighter at his best condition.  Yates is harder and denser.  Who wins?  I sure don't know but it would be fun to watch.  At least that would be a show amongst the two best physiques of the last twenty years; let em duke it out mano a mano.  Beat Ronnie easily...that is a laugh.  Conversely, Ronnie would not beat the "bricklayer" any easier Pumpster.  It would be a war. 

[nicorulez]

Now all the Coleman fans can go f**k themselves.

Pwned

You are a true dipshit.  I am down that you are a Dorian fan; I loved his early physique also.  However, that picture is clearly taken from an angle that completely obscures every strong point of Coleman's.  They are not even comparable.  You are a true idiot to believe that you pawned anyone.  If anything, your ignorance on the whole matter is disheartening and sad.  Let intelligent scribes like Sucky and ND state Dorian's case.  You are like the young legal aide who tries really hard, but did not have the game to go to law school.  Go back to school; you input this late in the thread is pointless and annoying.

[pumpster]

I posted a comment from Lee Preist where he said that Yates would easily beat Ronnie and pumpster insinuated Preist is a rascist

ND has proven over & over again that with the exception of Haney, he always favors the white BB. That is his issue, not mine. One of his cronies here keeps going on and on about how i don't like white people which is hilarious and entirely unproven.

More proof that ND latches onto anything he can use like a barnacle, relevant or not.  Any tangent to avoid reality.

[nicorulez]

Yates, recent interview: "I guess Coleman wins".

Pumpster stop with the shit.  Dorian was a great bodybuilder.  His arms and torso look damn good in that pic.  I am getting tired of both sides belittling the other.  Ronnie in his prime was unbelievable.  Dorian in his prime was praetor-human as my friend Sucky would say.  Dorian in no way is blown away by Ronnie.  I am in agreement that Ronnie at his best (not this year by a long shot) is better, but come on man.  Dorian looked damn good.  So he didn't smile..BFD.  The man is English; they show very little emotion in any sport but soccer.  I feel he was a gentleman.  I actually met him one year guest posing.  Very polite guy and well spoken.  He claimed American bodybuilders were lazy on one Olympia broadcast; is he not telling the truth to some extent?  Look at the guy with the best genetics in world...Mr. Chris Cormier.  The man pissed away the most promising bodybuilding career in history because he did too many women, used too much coke and partied way too hard.  Dorian was a warrior.  To this day, I would bet that if he trained hard for one year he could show up on stage and beat Gutler.  Hell, he would beat Ronnie too if continues coming into shows like dog poop.  Guaranteed he would not come in soft as Ronnie did.

[Hulkster]

ND has proven over & over again that with the exception of Haney, he always favors the white BB.

hmm...

ND argued Dorian's ARMS over Ronnie's (WTF?).

ND argued Arnold QUADS over RONNIE'S (WTF?)

ND argued for Labrada over Shawn (for no apparent reason). He claimed Labrada was more symmetrical but could not explain why.

hmmm...interesting.

[Hulkster]

hehehe my last post was revenge for all the times people have claimed I was being racist for favoring Ronnie..

pretty hard to do since I am as white as the polar ice caps

[pumpster]

Pumpster stop with the shit.  Dorian was a great bodybuilder.  His arms and torso look damn good in that pic.

Guys like Sergio and Schwarzenegger do not appreciate his physique-there was clear animosity between Yates and Schwarzenegger because of it. You'll find no pics of them being friendly. If you were more familiar with some of the earlier BB aesthetic that was ruined with Yates' arrival you might have more depth. Because of the great flaws he was at his best good but not great,  as proven in some contests. Extremes-great conditioning and unparalled density & dryness as i've said all along, coupled with some real issues with balance & aesthetics, which i've always said. Great would be to have all those positives without the glaring negatives.

Their analysis is completely consistent with my own. Greatness isn't consistent with overt flaws. What retired greats say is more relevant than an unstable Priest, or what Dillet or Levrone said while still competing and politically correct in their answers.

[Hulkster]

Believe it or not, I do think Dorian looked good in 1992 and 1993.

I just do not agree with many of the assements about how dense he looked compared to detailed and striated Ronnie.

for example, his arms and quads NEVER looked dense in my opinion. They lacked too much detail to look really hard.

To me, these are two MAJOR bodyparts (much moreso than the side head tricep ).

A great example is sucky's comment about ronnie 98 never looking "spectacularly hard and dry) (and insinuating that dorian usually was), meanwhile, in reality I can't think of someone who looks harder and dryer than this:




as ronnie looked in 98.

Dorian is used as the model for density and Ronnie even in 98/99 was always (by the ND and co side) viewed as soft and not nearly as dense.

as you can see, this is simply not true.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hmm...

ND argued Dorian's ARMS over Ronnie's (WTF?).

ND argued Arnold QUADS over RONNIE'S (WTF?)

ND argued for Labrada over Shawn (for no apparent reason). He claimed Labrada was more symmetrical but could not explain wh

hmmm...interesting.

See you walk yourself down the path to owning with a big stupid smile on your face lol and I'll be happy to oblige 

ND has argued Dorian has better triceps & forearms than Coleman - and I did say perhaps I shouldn't have worded that he has better arms but I stand by that statement , because its plainly evident

ND has argued Arnold QUADS over Ronnie - Arnolds quad development    NOT quad size 

ND Labrada over Shawn - Absoultely no questions about it Labrada is the more symmetrical of the both , the better proportioned and balanced of the two as well , Labrada has a better structure , wider shoulders , better proportion , classic lines , Labrada was a short Bob Paris , Shawn Ray high calves , squared off quads , long torso , no lat width , heavyweight biceps/triceps on a middleweights body , Labrada easily trumps Shawn Ray in terms of aesthetics & symmetry.

[pumpster]

See you walk yourself down the path to owning with a big stupid smile on your face lol and I'll be happy to oblige 

ND has argued Dorian has better triceps & forearms than Coleman - and I did say perhaps I shouldn't have worded that he has better arms but I stand by that statement , because its plainly evident

ND has argued Arnold QUADS over Ronnie - Arnolds quad development    NOT quad size 

ND Labrada over Shawn - Absoultely no questions about it Labrada is the more symmetrical of the both , the better proportioned and balanced of the two as well , Labrada has a better structure , wider shoulders , better proportion , classic lines , Labrada was a short Bob Paris , Shawn Ray high calves , squared off quads , long torso , no lat width , heavyweight biceps/triceps on a middleweights body , Labrada easily trumps Shawn Ray in terms of aesthetics & symmetry.

  He doesn't even look like a winner against these guys.

[Hulkster]

ND has argued Arnold QUADS over Ronnie - Arnolds quad development    NOT quad size 

yes but you should now retract your argument given that we have more pictures of Ronnie at his best (versus the 4 billion of Arnold that are available online):


please tell me you do not think that Arnold had quads anywhere near this full, huge, detailed and shapely.

[Hulkster]

ND Labrada had no lat width either.

neither he nor shawn was very wide.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here are some Hulksterism

Dorian Yates is the most overrated bodybuilder ever and why? because he domiated lol

Dorian Yates' conditioning was a myth

Dorian Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler

Dorian Yates lost the 1994 Mr Olympia to Shawn Ray

Dorian Yates lost the 1996 Mr Olympia to Shawn Ray

Dorian Yates lost the 1997 Mr Olympia to Nasser El Sonbaty

Ronnie Coleman was more aesthetic than Matt Mendenhall

Matt Mendenhall was blocky

Tony Pearson had high lats

Ronnie dominated from the back in 2001 despite losing the who prejudging

X-frame is an important judging criteria

The guy with the best taper wins

Dorian Yates only won because of his back and calves

Dorian Yates won ONLY because he beat smaller guys

Dorian Yates won while NOT having any quality to his phsyique

Facts & Figures mean nothing

While Yates was dominating for the 6 years all the judging was flawed

I own you kid , you're the master of the idiotic statement and you've made dozens upon dozens in this thread alone lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND Labrada had no lat width either.

neither he nor shawn was very wide.

Labrada's latspread from the front was better than Rays , Labrada has a classic physique in the Steve Reeves , Bob Paris sense , Shawn Ray doesn't , Shawn did have a very aesthetic quality to his physique but he was a mini-mass monster even compared to Labrada but , Labrada simple has the better structure , balance and symmetry , no questions about it .

[pumpster]

I own you kid , you're the master of the idiotic statement and you've made dozens upon dozens in this thread alone lol

Speaking of owned, ND's been unable to refute any of the realities about Yates' shortcomings, going back to page 1. Nothing more than a series of deflections, excuses, and rationalizations intermingled with fantasy & denial.

Time for a wake up call. It's like dealing with an alcoholic who denies the problem.

[Hulkster]

Dorian Yates lost the 1994 Mr Olympia to Shawn Ray

Dorian Yates lost the 1997 Mr Olympia to Nasser El Sonbaty

Ronnie dominated from the back in 2001 despite losing the who prejudging

X-frame is an important judging criteria

Facts & Figures mean nothing

(in bodybuilding competition)

ND, please explain exactly how these are "Hulksterisms" when pretty much the entire bodybuilding community online agrees with them?

and I never ever said "he who has the best taper wins"  - you made that one up.

It gives an Advantage for one guy over the other, but it is not the sole determining factor in judging a contest.

[Hulkster]

dorian would look so much better if he stopped flexing his arms all the time

just like Ronnie never extends his leg and flexes his calves, dorian should have done the same with his arms!

[NarcissisticDeity]

(in bodybuilding competition)

ND, please explain exactly how these are "Hulksterisms" when pretty much the entire bodybuilding community online agrees with them?

and I never ever said "he who has the best taper wins"  - you made that one up.

It gives an Advantage for one guy over the other, but it is not the sole determining factor in judging a contest.

WOW the whole bodybuilding community agrees? except the judges lol Ronnie lost the whole prejudging they don't agree with you and guess what ? they're the only ones who matter 

No you claimed countless times Yates would lose to Ronnie because he had a better taper , you constantly & consistantly used this as a winning edge for Ronnie vs Dorian and its flawed logic , Yates never had a taper and beat some of the best

So bow down because you my friend are the king of baseless ridiculous statements

[pumpster]

Getbig poll:

Coleman >> Yates

Videos:

Coleman >> Yates

Iron Age BBs Schwarzenegger/Oliva:

Coleman >> Yates

[NarcissisticDeity]

Pumpster knows nothing about bodybuilding. He's just a Coleman fanboy.

Great post , its painfully obvious he knows nothing , I  tried to be objective and listen to his point of veiw but he has nothing of value to offer , we just let him post pics lol it makes him happy.

[pumpster]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

I got banned from ironage.us, but I don't think I would have been banned if I was an ironager. 

You were banned?