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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10550 on: October 24, 2006, 12:47:51 PM »
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These are some of the best Yates pictures I've ever seen!!!
It's the old (desperate) stategy of focusing on Yates B&Ws because (1) he never looked as good in contests, and (2) B&Ws make him look better than he actually was, by exaggerating definition unseen at that size in color. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10551 on: October 24, 2006, 03:15:50 PM »
Sucky, I'm not going to address each of your points b/c that would be a waste of my time. No matter what I say you will always think you are right. So do me a favor and go f*ck yourself. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10552 on: October 24, 2006, 03:56:32 PM »
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Sucky, I'm not going to address each of your points b/c that would be a waste of my time. No matter what I say you will always think you are right. So do me a favor and go f*ck yourself.
He's trying.  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10553 on: October 24, 2006, 04:13:45 PM »

ENGAND WAS NEVER CONQUERED BY GERMANY DIPSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You dumbfuck, I inferred that if the US would have not entered WWII when they did and save Churchill's ass that Hitler would have conquered England.  Are you stupid or just ignorant.  Read my post and you will understand my sarcasm.  Trust me, I have forgotten more than you will ever know.  Moron.  Pumpster, you are very wrong.  The US played a large role in England's supposed world domination.  Without the US, the Brits would be German citizens and hailing some Kraut. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10554 on: October 24, 2006, 04:16:48 PM »
PS...we kicked their ass in the Revolution war... ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10555 on: October 24, 2006, 04:38:55 PM »
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Pumpster, you are very wrong.  The US played a large role in England's supposed world domination
I was referring to pre and during WW; the empire came apart by itself as well. As far as the Americans, true but thank the Russians first. They were the primary reason London isn't German.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10556 on: October 24, 2006, 08:17:01 PM »
I was referring to pre and during WW; the empire came apart by itself as well. As far as the Americans, true but thank the Russians first. They were the primary reason London isn't German.

I believe that is because Hitler got cocky and thought he could fight a war on two fronts.  Dumbass, the Russians crucified the son of a bitch.  Regardless, the Brits are lucky the good ole USA has been there to save their asses so many times.  Regardless, I still dig Dorian.  However, as before, Ronnie is his prime was better to me.  If I am wrong, big whoop.  My opinion.  I don't pretend to be an IFBB judge.  Peace all and remember these are two great champs.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10557 on: October 25, 2006, 06:50:35 AM »
I believe that is because Hitler got cocky and thought he could fight a war on two fronts.  Dumbass, the Russians crucified the son of a bitch.  Regardless, the Brits are lucky the good ole USA has been there to save their asses so many times.  Regardless, I still dig Dorian.  However, as before, Ronnie is his prime was better to me.  If I am wrong, big whoop.  My opinion.  I don't pretend to be an IFBB judge.  Peace all and remember these are two great champs.

I sincerely doubt Hitler would have been able to conquer Britain. The war against Britain was not going well, which is one of the reasons Hitler decided to bomb London and quit attacking military targets. An invasion would have been very difficult over sea. I also find it highly unfair to suppose that the USA has saved England's behind many times, while it is actually England that is the America's greatest ally. As far as England's world domination is concerned, the crown colony was India and not America...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10558 on: October 25, 2006, 06:58:37 AM »
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I sincerely doubt Hitler would have been able to conquer Britain. The war against Britain was not going well, which is one of the reasons Hitler decided to bomb London and quit attacking military targets. An invasion would have been very difficult over sea. I also find it highly unfair to suppose that the USA has saved England's behind many times, while it is actually England that is the America's greatest ally. As far as England's world domination is concerned, the crown colony was India and not America...
Speaking of England, these deficiencies remind me of the bad teeth..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10559 on: October 25, 2006, 01:46:44 PM »
Sucky, I'm not going to address each of your points b/c that would be a waste of my time.

  Actually, I called you out on your bullshit claims, such as that most of the lat size is in the lower part of the muscle, that Coleman's back was as thick and wide as Dorian's, when it's common-place knowledge that Ronnie only became a match for Dorian in the back department in 2003, etc, and you had nothing to respond, because you showed what a bodybuilding newbie you truly are. ;)

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No matter what I say you will always think you are right.

  We both think that we're right; the difference is that I try to substantiate my arguments with logic, facts and empirical data. I am ]right about the 1995 Dorian being more muscular than the 1999 Ronnie. I am right about Dorian having a superior midsection to any version of Ronnie. I am right that, in a properly judged contest, the 2003 Ronnie could perfectly be defeated by Dorian, because his distended midsection makes him lose the symmetry round flat out and compromises his proportions during transition and during the two mandatories which are done from the sides. And also that, even though Ronnie's muscularity was greater, Dorian's muscularity was harder. You've got no game when debating me, little boy, so go do your homework on bodybuilding 101. ;)

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So do me a favor and go f*ck yourself. ;D

  Well, when it comes to fucking oneself, I think I could really learn a lesson from you: you've owned yourself as many times as I've owned you. Oh, wait, that's impossible! ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10560 on: October 25, 2006, 02:01:13 PM »
Actually, I called you out on your bullshit claims, such as that most of the lat size is in the lower part of the muscle, that Coleman's back was as thick and wide as Dorian's, when it's common-place knowledge that Ronnie only became a match for Dorian in the back department in 2003, etc, and you had nothing to respond, because you showed what a bodybuilding newbie you truly are.

I challenge you to show me one bodybuilder who's lats are wider than his shoulders. According to you, lat width isn't dependent on clavicle length. So you should be able to find plenty of examples.

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We both think that we're right; the difference is that I try to substantiate my arguments with logic, facts and empirical data. blah blah blah

Did you personally measure both Dorian's and Ronnie's lats? If not, then you have no evidence that Dorian was wider than Ronnie. All you can do is speculate. I try to use knowledge of anatomy to show they were the same width.

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Well, when it comes to fucking oneself, I think I could really learn a lesson from you: you've owned yourself as many times as I've owned you. Oh, wait, that's impossible!

ha ha ha, you have been owned by more people than I bother to count. Now run along little boy.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10561 on: October 25, 2006, 02:04:20 PM »
if you are talking about a 270 pound dorian, maybe. He has a weight advantage at the same height.
if you are talking about 1993 dorian who weighed the exact same as Ronnie 99, well, that is up for debate.

  No, it's not open for debate, and the fact that they weight the same is irrelvant. Why? Because Dorian is slightly shorter and comes in dryer, hence, more of that weight is lean muscle mass than in Ronnie's case. Also, even if they had the exact same height, weighted the same and were equally dry, it would still not mean, in any way, that they had equally wide lats. Why? Because the muscle mass is not distributed proportionally in all bodybuilders. Ronnie's quads were bigger than Dorian's in 1999, so it's obvious that Dorian had the widest and thickes lats - because, since they weighted the same and Ronnie's quads were bigger and Dorian was drier, the difference in size came mostly from the back. Make no mistake about it: Dorian had the thickes and widest lats in bodybuilding until the 2003 Olympia. ;)

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Look at the width and thickness of Ronnie in 99:

  "Looking" can be deceiving. Can you acurately measure distances by looking? The height of mountains? No. That's why the Human species created instruments for that effect. Likewise, the only precise way of measuring back width is with a tape measurer.

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notice how thick the muscles are down where Ronnie's lats insert.

  The width of the lats is measured in the upper portion. Why? Because that's where the muscle develops further.(take note of this, NeoSeminole) ;)

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was dorian's lat spread wider than this? probably not. Equally wide? probably.

  "Probably" is synonimous with inaccuracy. Again, strong empirical evidence does suggest that Dorian's lats were wider than that of the 1999 Ronnie, but only a proper measurement could determine that.

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But the taper comes into play at this point since their lats are probably equal width and thickness at the same weight.

  Actually, it is exactly because Ronnie has a slightly better taper that his lats appear to be wider than they are. Is this relevant for making the case that his lats are as wide or wider than Dorian's? No.

  
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one thing is for sure out of all of this: no one in history has has a thicker or wider back than Ronnie displayed in 2003.  The trade off, was, however, the fine details.

  Yes, but Dorian could still hold his own in the back double biceps and rear lat spread, because his latissimus, teres major, teres major an such were denser and also, Dorian had more proportion and completeness in these two mandatories - except for biceps. Ronnie's back in 2003, for all it's width, had barely a cut in it when he stood relaxed. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10562 on: October 25, 2006, 02:17:02 PM »
You were saying??

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10563 on: October 25, 2006, 02:22:57 PM »
crazy pics of Dorian.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10564 on: October 25, 2006, 02:23:41 PM »
Ya, the one area where's he's comparable to Coleman other than calves n' forearms. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10565 on: October 25, 2006, 02:43:20 PM »
Make no mistake about it: Dorian had the thickes and widest lats in bodybuilding until the 2003 Olympia.

Nope, there are several bodybuilders who had wider lats than Dorian - all before 2003!








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10566 on: October 25, 2006, 02:43:49 PM »
You were saying??

Saying case closed  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10567 on: October 25, 2006, 02:51:00 PM »
Game Over 8)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10568 on: October 25, 2006, 03:03:03 PM »
What took ND so long to come up with the B&Ws showing a beefy Yates with no detail?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10569 on: October 25, 2006, 03:06:20 PM »
What took ND so long to come up with the B&Ws showing a beefy Yates with no detail?

No detail? get serious , He's showing just as much if NOT more detail than both those pics of Ronnie you posted , please don't have any children let your stupidity end with you.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10570 on: October 25, 2006, 03:20:01 PM »
No detail? get serious , He's showing just as much if NOT more detail than both those pics of Ronnie you posted ,

You do realize that’s not detail right…?... its hideous bacne

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10571 on: October 25, 2006, 03:21:27 PM »
ND would love to get up close and personal with Dorian's bacne (and assne too).
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10572 on: October 25, 2006, 03:24:42 PM »
You do realize that’s not detail right…?... its hideous bacne

Could be worse he could have Bitch Tits like Coleman 98/99 lol and no detail , same series of shots , whats great about this is , he's untanned , no oil and no contest lighting and he still destroys everyone.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10573 on: October 25, 2006, 03:26:32 PM »
Nope, there are several bodybuilders who had wider lats than Dorian - all before 2003!

Neo, I think some men might've had wider lats, but they usually had very HIGH lats.  Orville Burke and Dennis James, for instance.  Even Michael Francois (who's an absolute sweetie, I should add, and the biggest male pro I ever saw in person) had high lats.  

From top to bottom, they were only wider around the armpits (if that).  

That aside, I'm amazed this thread's still going :)  LOL.  Kudos to all of you.  I read it often and get a big kick out of it! ;D  

It is too bad that there aren't any videos online of Yates at either his best appearances or his biggest.  I have seen Youtube videos of men from '93, '94 and '96, but what about '95, '97 and '98?  My boyfriend might have those burned on disc, but I am not about to go digging into his stack of stuff.  I'm afraid of what all I might find  :P  :D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10574 on: October 25, 2006, 03:29:28 PM »
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My boyfriend might have those burned on disc, but I am not about to go digging into his stack of stuff.  I'm afraid of what all I might find   

you do know we now have a board for all that "other" stuff?

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