Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

come on man you gotta laugh at that one!!! this is getbig, enjoy.

I thought the name was funny, but not the fact you were in such a rush to say I got "owned" that you completely disregarded my response to Sucky.

[delta9mda]

Yates beat this in 94

no, yates beat the shit outta him every year. shawn hated it because as he said, "2nd place is first place loser".

[IceCold]

but it only looks that way on the score sheets only.

not in reality:



do not confuse the two.

this is what ND does all the time - he looks to the numbers, not the stage.

that's your opinion and it clearly is wrong.

who said so?

the judges did.  they are the ones who make the decisions - not you and pumpster.

[NarcissisticDeity]

that's your opinion and it clearly is wrong.

who said so?

the judges did.  they are the ones who make the decisions - not you and pumpster.

This kid is as dumb as a bag of rocks , how fucking stupid can one be? the judging scores don't mean anything and in " Hulkster's reality " Yates clearly lost the 1993 Mr Olympia lol

Judging a bodybuilding contest is very subjective and the ironic part is for most of his career Yates consistantly met the I.F.B.B. judging criteria the best and the best part is 12 judges all came to the same conclusion , the high & low scores are tossed out to insure a judge doesn't pick a ' favorite ' and Yates still came back the clear cut winner , to argue otherwise is the epitome of ignorance.

[IceCold]

Can you actually handle the truth without more of the same excuses? He wasn't dominant for the most part, and benefitted greatly from Weider's generosity in some of the contests where other guys were better. Stop pretending that he "beat" them, as if the contest is entirely based on merit, you're naive.

wasnt dominant?

who was ever close to beating him?

i know you dont like going by scores bc it doesnt support your argument,  but what else would you go by?

your expert opinion?

for instance, i think that ronnie beat flex easier than what the actual score says, but IN REALITY it was closer.

the judges know more about judging a bodybuilding show then me or you.  they obviously did it for a reason.

if not then why werent the scores closer?

politics, you claim, may have something to do with winning, but why not make the score closer then?

why?

bc it was clearly apparent to most everyone, judges including, that yates was dominant.  

based on what the judges have said (THE EXPERTS) you and pumpster are wrong  

they are the ones who make the decisions and score the contests.

whether you like it or not or agree with it, that's realitly.

[IceCold]

someone show me a dorian rear lat spread that is as good as that

better and dryer back.

calves.

yates also has striations in his hams and glutes.

ronnie's arms look great where as dorian's dont.

ronnie's arms contribut a lot to that pose.

however

ronnie has said that dorian has the best back of all time.

what more validation do you need?

[Hulkster]

you guys are the only people on the planet who actually agree with the IFBB judges scores number for number

who says the judges are experts when they can be politically motivated to favor certain bodybuilders regardless of their appearence?

we the fans, only use the proof that we see in front of us.

not some preconceived notion because Uncle Joe said so.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wasnt dominant?

who was ever close to beating him?

i know you dont like going by scores bc it doesnt support your argument,  but what else would you go by?

your expert opinion?

for instance, i think that ronnie beat flex easier than what the actual score says, but IN REALITY it was closer.

the judges know more about judging a bodybuilding show then me or you.  they obviously did it for a reason.

if not then why werent the scores closer?

politics, you claim, may have something to do with winning, but why not make the score closer then?

why?

bc it was clearly apparent to most everyone, judges including, that yates was dominant. 

based on what the judges have said (THE EXPERTS) you and pumpster are wrong 

they are the ones who make the decisions and score the contests.

whether you like it or not or agree with it, that's realitly.

Ha Ha Ha Ha pumpy just got bitchslapped .

[Hulkster]

better and dryer back.

calves.

yates also has striations in his hams and glutes.


ronnie has said that dorian has the best back of all time.

what more validation do you need?

you are neglecting the fact that the pics make their waist sizes the same.

[IceCold]

you are neglecting the fact that the pics make their waist sizes the same.

what's your point?

ronnie waist is smaller anyways. 

[IceCold]

you guys are the only people on the planet who actually agree with the IFBB judges scores number for number

who says the judges are experts when they can be politically motivated to favor certain bodybuilders regardless of their appearence?

we the fans, only use the proof that we see in front of us.

not some preconceived notion because Uncle Joe said so.

but when ronnie is involved, you never mention anything about the judges or some of ronnie's suspect wins.

at least dorian has never lost the 2 most importnat rounds in a contest.

joe wieder is soo old, you really think that he has a say in the judging.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you guys are the only people on the planet who actually agree with the IFBB judges scores number for number

who says the judges are experts when they can be politically motivated to favor certain bodybuilders regardless of their appearence?

we the fans, only use the proof that we see in front of us.

not some preconceived notion because Uncle Joe said so.

Hulkster your hipocrisy is mindboggling it really is , these are the same judges who served over Ronnie but its quite okay when he ' wins ' some of the closest contests in the history of the IFBB , those wern't politically motivated favors , those according to you in your ' reality ' wern't even close 

You say you're an educated man but in this arena you have much to learn.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are neglecting the fact that the pics make their waist sizes the same.

Like all the comparisons Neo made and you claimed Ronnie was beating Yates? lol hypocrite please be quite.

[Hulkster]

you guys are going on and on about how right the judges are and how accurate they must be.

but you are not EXPLAINING how they could have awarded such high scores to someone who gets beat by "lesser" bodybuilders in many poses:





You guys really need to learn how to back up an argument with premises.

saying it is so means nothing if you cannot take a pic or video and back it up.

thus far, you have done nothing to justify his superhigh scores given the ABUNDANCE of flaws that he has, and how much better guys like Shawn Ray look when posing next to him


"the judges MUST BE RIGHT TO AWARD SUCH GREAT SCORES!"  

yeah, bullshit...

Your argument is full of words, but low on proof to back up those words.

[IceCold]

hulkster and pumpster


you always bitch about politics when dorian is involved, but when ronnie has suspect wins, you ignore it.

you never mention "flawed judgin" with ronnie's name attached to it.

explain this too me.

lee haney has a show on espn sunday mornings.
lee was named the head of the fitness council by the president.
he trained high profile athletes (evander holifield, atlanta falcons) and got media attention.

ronnie has been on jay leno a few times - great way for publicity.

WHAT THE FUCK HAS DORIAN EVER DONE THAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK HIS WINS WERE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED THAT WOULD BENEFIT BODYBUILDING?

he lived in a different country.
came to the US for contests and photo shoots and seminars.  only
he did ZERO work to get mainstream appeal or publicity.
was known for being quite.

explain your bullshit political theories on why dorian won?

[IceCold]

you guys are going on and on about how right the judges are and how accurate they must be.

but you are not EXPLAINING how they could have awarded such high scores to someone who gets beat by "lesser" bodybuilders in many poses:


You guys really need to learn how to back up an argument with premises.

saying it is so means nothing if you cannot take a pic or video and back it up.

thus far, you have done nothing to justify his superhigh scores given the ABUNDANCE of flaws that he has, and how much better guys like Shawn Ray look when posing next to him


"the judges MUST BE RIGHT TO AWARD SUCH GREAT SCORES!"  

yeah, bullshit...

Your argument is full of words, but low on proof to back up those words.

your missing the point.

my point was that when i see the pics and vids of dorian, i see the clear winner.

you dont.

the judges agree with me, not you.

the judges' opinion and scores support my opinion.

what supports your point of view?

and your 'opinion' aint good enough.

you have ZERO credibilitly.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster your hipocrisy is mindboggling it really is , these are the same judges who served over Ronnie but its quite okay when he ' wins ' some of the closest contests in the history of the IFBB , those wern't politically motivated favors , those according to you in your ' reality ' wern't even close 

You say you're an educated man but in this arena you have much to learn.

oh, no question some of Ronnie's wins were questionable.

but there is a crucial difference that you are neglecting (no surprise):

When Ronnie shows up "off" he almost loses.

When Dorian shows up "off", he dominates as if he was in 100% tip top shape and still gets kick ass scores, even though Helen Keller could tell you he didn't deserve them.

monster inconsistency.

I am smarter than you think

[IceCold]

oh, no question some of Ronnie's wins were questionable.

but there is a crucial difference that you are neglecting (no surprise):

When Ronnie shows up "off" he almost loses.

When Dorian shows up "off", he dominates as if he was in 100% tip top shape and still gets kick ass scores, even though Helen Keller could tell you he didn't deserve them.

monster inconsistency.

I am smarter than you think

you said it right there, by yourself.

when dorian shows up off, he still dominates.

that's how good yates was.

when dorian was 'off', he was still the hardest and best conditioned bodybuilder on stage. 
it just wasnt his best/standard.

big difference between that and ronnie showing up out of shape. 

different story with ronnie - despite lesser competition. 

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

you guys are going on and on about how right the judges are and how accurate they must be.

but you are not EXPLAINING how they could have awarded such high scores to someone who gets beat by "lesser" bodybuilders in many poses:


You guys really need to learn how to back up an argument with premises.

saying it is so means nothing if you cannot take a pic or video and back it up.

thus far, you have done nothing to justify his superhigh scores given the ABUNDANCE of flaws that he has, and how much better guys like Shawn Ray look when posing next to him


"the judges MUST BE RIGHT TO AWARD SUCH GREAT SCORES!" 

yeah, bullshit...

Your argument is full of words, but low on proof to back up those words.

Hulkster who are you kidding? I posted more pics on this thread than you and pumpy combined ! I posted pictures of Yates just demoralizing the competition and you claiming he's getting owned lol you have nothing to work with .

Here is my proof.

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh, no question some of Ronnie's wins were questionable.

but there is a crucial difference that you are neglecting (no surprise):

When Ronnie shows up "off" he almost loses.

When Dorian shows up "off", he dominates as if he was in 100% tip top shape and still gets kick ass scores, even though Helen Keller could tell you he didn't deserve them.

monster inconsistency.

I am smarter than you think

Actually on the topic of bodybuilding you're NOT that smart , you may be smart in your chosen field but in bodybuilding you're claiming to know more than the judges , you're claiming that Yates is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , your claims are baseless and biased .

[NarcissisticDeity]

More proof of Yates owning everyone

[Hulkster]

your missing the point.

my point was that when i see the pics and vids of dorian, i see the clear winner.

you dont.

the judges agree with me, not you.

the judges' opinion and scores support my opinion

too bad 99.99% of the people agree with me, and the pics support my side of the argument, especially in 1994.

you have almost no support for claims like Yates deserved to beat Shawn in 1994


other than numbers on a sheet of paper.

the pics don't support it and neither does anyone on this entire board save 3 people.

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

More visual evidence for the dense .

[Hulkster]

More proof of Yates owning everyone

hello? Flex looks better than yates in the side tri, better in the ab and thigh, And Shawn's back looks better in that rear double bi than yates has ever looked!

 

you are truly blind.

[NarcissisticDeity]

too bad 99.99% of the people agree with me, and the pics support my side of the argument, especially in 1994.

you have almost no support for claims like Yates deserved to beat Shawn in 1994


other than numbers on a sheet of paper.

the pics don't support it and neither does anyone on this entire board save 3 people.

 

The fact that you keep clinging to the comfort in numbers argument clearly illustrates how lost you really are , these are from 1994 , Dorian is the clear cut winner.