Please explain to me how you determine who's dryer. Isn't the point of conditioning to display muscle quality through the skin? Ronnie has more separations and striations from top to bottom. What does Dorian have the Ronnie doesn't? I don't think even you know the answer.
His quads suck? lol Hulkster this is where you crossover to ignorant , read the criteria
Actually, its quite easy to prove that Yates did not deserve all those perfect scores:
Overall dryness through out the ENTIRE physique , Ronnie's back isn't as Dry as Dorians and neither was his whole midsection , Dorian's conditioning has been described as " tissue paper for skin " the closest Ronnie ever came to Droain's level of overall dryness and extreme conditioning was 1998.
You didn't answer my question. This is exactly what I expected from you. I don't think even you know the answer. What clues do you look for to determine who's dryer? All you did was use the word to define itself. It would be like me saying "Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian b/c Ronnie was better conditioned."
What clues? hmmmmmmm lets see would it be the absense of any S/Q fat? or water through the phsyique as a whole?
what exactly makes you think Ronnie in 03 was carrying more fat and water than Dorian? I'm not doubting you, I would just like to know.
Look at their backs , look at Ronnie in the same shot vs Ronnie 98 , its evident in the back double biceps as well , striations don't always means a person is extremely dry , Ronnie on occasions has had very striated glutes and hams yet his midsection was soft & bloated , his serattus , intercostales and obliques were devoid of crisp mucularity , you can make out the striations but they're covered by a thin film of water that you wont find on Yates at his best , Ronnie's arms are always dry yet his torso seems to suffer when he carries some excess water.
They would probably go with Ronnie , key word !
Look at their backs , look at Ronnie in the same shot vs Ronnie 98 , its evident in the back double biceps as well , striations don't always means a person is extremely dry , Ronnie on occasions has had very striated glutes and hams yet his midsection was soft & bloated , his serattus , intercostales and obliques were devoid of crisp mucularity, you can make out the striations but they're covered by a thin film of water that you wont find on Yates at his best , Ronnie's arms are always dry yet his torso seems to suffer when he carries some excess water.
You just said you look at striations to determine level of dryness. This is what I don't understand. How come when Dorian's lower back is more striated than Ronnie's, it means he's dryer. However, when Ronnie is more striated everywhere else, it's just "genetics." I believe they were both equally dry. The difference is that both men carry sub-q fat and water in different areas. Dorian seemed to carry more in his arms and quads while Ronnie carries more in his lower back and midsection.
actually thats six words..... but arent u kinda proving my point?... dorian, 6 time mr. Olympia … super confident… reluctantly of course, but non the less has no choice but to acknowledge ronnies superiority?!
You're playing with words now , superiority Ronnie couldn't match Yates in terms of conditioning or balance & proportion , in terms of muscular bulk and thickness being 30lbs heavier but its a grave mistake to think Yates is a pushover and would be dominated , Lee Haney at his all time best weighed 250lbs and lost the muscularity round to a 239lb Yates , so don't be so quick to dismiss Yates.
listen im a huge yates fan... for a million reasons... im not arguing against his greatness... and im def. not saying he was a pushover... IMO yates easily won all but one of his olympias...with that said, saying that ronnie is superior doesnt mean yates wasnt close... but close is all... ronnie wins prime vs prime.... sport progresses, all sports.... bodybuilding is no different
Ronnie couldn't match Yates in terms of conditioning
im surprised people arent talking more about ronnies 01 arnold, which is regarded by most as his all time best... man he looks crazy there
in 1998 he matched if not surpassed Yates in terms of conditioning:even the blind ND has to admit that these shot are on par if not better than any yates shot (esp. in colour) if we are talking about dryness and conditioning.
the folks on this board do not like the 01 AC Ronnie as much because his gut sticks out when he was relaxed.
Oh we covered this base eons ago , Ronnie 2001 ASC was probably his best showing ever , he was still 10lbs lighter than Yates and probably just as dry , however he looked smaller than usual at that weight and Yates still has the advantage in terms of density , and balance & proportion and a solid 10 pound size advantage.
but ronnie can easily look bigger then dorian at a lower weight.... his waist in addition to everyone of his joints is/are smaller... i.e. greater sweep between the muscles....
This is Dorian at 255lbs & Ronnie at 250lbs so much for your theory of him looking bigger at a lower bodyweight
