Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[suckmymuscle]

  Dorian Yates won so many Sandows because, among the big guys, he was the one with the least flaws. All things considered, the most muscular man will always win the Mr.Olympia, unless he has extremely severe symmetry imbalances or comes in with terrible conditioning. The rule is this: the most muscular man with the least symmetrical and structural flaws wins the Sandow. Nasser never won a Sandow, despite weighing 30 lbs more than Dorian, because his back development was pathetic compared to the rest of his body, thus representing  asevere symmetrical flaw, and the rest of his muscularity was soft when compared to Dorian's. Fux never won, depsite being bigger than Dorian, because he had a monster distended gut and pathetic abdomianal separations. Dillet never won because his pectoralis muscles and back were pathetic and, even though he had the best taper of all the big guys, his monstrous front delts overpowered the rest of his physique from the front. Ferrigno competed at over 300 lbs. But that it little for a 6'5 man with a big boned structure. And, exactly because he's so tall, he had severe structural flaws, such as a long torso and narrow clavicles for his height. Thus, no Sandow.

  Now, a lot of the topic of this thread is not really a criticism of Dorian's merits as far as muscularity or lack of proportions goes; it is, rather, a criticism of his body type. Hulkster and Pumpster prefer the narrow hipped with round muscles kind of bodybuilder, thus their bias towards Ronnie. However, there's nothing wrong with Dorian: he is simply a bodybuilder with a thick torso and dense muscles. This is not a liability in this sport, because, as I've said before, bodybuilders as different in body type as Wheeler and Nasser have been known to win pro shows.

  This is a matter of taste, not of real liabilities as far as an objective bodybuilding criteria is concerned. Dorian simply carried a lot of muscle mass for a man of his height and bone structure, and his muscle mass was proportionally distributed on his frame, and he displayed it with supreme conditioning. And let me telly you that, although he has wide hips, Dorian's structure is awesome, with broad clavicles for his height, a short torso and long legs. You may not like his physique, but the man had tons of super-hard mass which was proportionally distributed on an almost - no one is perfect - flawless flame. Hence, six Sandows.

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[Hulkster]

Why would we take the word of a former IFBB pro judge 

because the judging was flawed in the sense that they did not deduct points despite showing up looking like dorian 1994 and 1997.

You seem to not understand that the judging can certainly be biased and unfair. Politics play a part.

you have to be the only person on this entire board who thinks so highly of the judges

[Hulkster]

notice how each of ND's pics are shots of Dorian's inner leg.

why am I not surprised?

[NarcissisticDeity]

not really. You still haven't given me a clear-cut answer. All you do is compare pics and say "oh see, Dorian looks better conditioned than Ronnie." To me, they look the same. The only difference I see is where they have more striations and separations. Dorian's lower back and midsection look sharper, but Ronnie blows Dorian away in arms, chest, quads, glutes, and hamstrings. Yet according to you Ronnie's strengths are "just genetic." To me, Ronnie looks better conditioned in these pics.

I've given you a clear cut answer you just don't like it , Dorian has less subcutaneous fat and he is holding less water throughout his entire physique , and they look the same to you , they don't to me , Ronnie doesn't blow Dorian away in arms , you and Hulkster are fond of umbrella statements , Dorian can match Ronnie for detail in the forearms and triceps minus striations which I said were genetic , there is a difference between striations and seperations , look at these pictures and see who is dryer.

[NarcissisticDeity]

because the judging was flawed in the sense that they did not deduct points despite showing up looking like dorian 1994 and 1997.

You seem to not understand that the judging can certainly be biased and unfair. Politics play a part.

you have to be the only person on this entire board who thinks so highly of the judges

The differece between you and I is.....I'm not a hypocrite when it comes to judging , you are..I can say Flex deserved to lose to Ronnie 1998 even though I prefer Flexes physique better , you base all your opinions on your own biases and preferrences .

[NarcissisticDeity]

notice how each of ND's pics are shots of Dorian's inner leg.

Oh please  the ONLY problem with Dorian's quads are upper seperation , which is oddly shaped , his quads are big , proportioned , and seperated with the exception of the forementioned.

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian had one of the best inner thighs of all time, but his quads looked like shit when viewed straight on.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Heres another example of Ronnie having visable striations in his triceps yet they're covered in a layer of water    , striations aren't always an indication of dryness.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian had one of the best inner thighs of all time, but his quads looked like shit when viewed straight on.

All pictures posted are post tear in his quad !! again the olnly problem with his quads is upper seperation .

[NeoSeminole]

I've given you a clear cut answer you just don't like it , Dorian has less subcutaneous fat and he is holding less water throughout his entire physique , and they look the same to you , they don't to me , Ronnie doesn't blow Dorian away in arms , you and Hulkster are fond of umbrella statements , Dorian can match Ronnie for detail in the forearms and triceps minus striations which I said were genetic , there is a difference between striations and seperations , look at these pictures and see who is dryer.

Oh please, you haven't given me an answer. You keep going in circles. When I ask how can you tell who has better conditioning, you say Dorian has less sub-q fat and water. Then when I ask how you can determine this, you claim that Dorian has better conditioning. This is not a valid answer. What clues do you look for? According to your definition, Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian in these pics b/c he looks "crisper."

[Hulkster]

Ronnie doesn't blow Dorian away in arms ,

 

[jwb]

arms down dorian goes okay... arms up he get killed by the ronster

[Hulkster]

All pictures posted are post tear in his quad !! again the olnly problem with his quads is upper seperation .

dorian's quads looked exactly the same pre tear as they did post tear

 

stop making excuses and admit that your former judge was flat out wrong

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh please, you haven't given me an answer. You keep going in circles. When I ask how can you tell who has better conditioning, you say Dorian has less sub-q fat and water. Then when I ask you how can you determine this, you claim that Dorian has better conditioning. This is not a valid answer. What clues do you look for? According to your definition, Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian in these pics b/c he looks "crisper."

Retard listen , Dorian has better OVERALL conditioning because he is carrying less subcutaneous fat and less water  through his entire physique , it doesn't get any simpler than that , the heavier Ronnie got the worse his conditioning became , he ONLY had Yates type dryness in 1998 when he was 249lbs the following year he was 257lbs and wasn't as sharp as 1998 this is a fact , and he isn't close to 1998/99 in terms of overall dryness in 2003  its clearly evident by the pictures .

[carvedoutofwood]

  , striations aren't always an indication of dryness.

regardless theyre impressive... and certaintly count for alot... genetics is a huge factor is the game and ronnie has him on shape, struture, and seperation... plus having striations everywhere vs dorianslack there of... = victory..
and suckmymuscle... shorten ur f*cking posts...

[Hulkster]

again the olnly problem with his quads is upper seperation .

you are acting like this is a minor problem.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian easily beats Yates in terms of forearms , in shape , in proportion , and Ronnie can match him for detial , triceps Ronnie's are huge but Yates has a better shaped sidehead and has better seperation and Ronnie easily beat Yates on biceps , and Yates' ARMS have a better balance through VS Coleman so stop insisting Ronnie has better arms because its NOT accurate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are acting like this is a minor problem.

Oh they most certainly are a minor problem , much more minor than missing two complete calves. 

[NeoSeminole]

Retard listen , Dorian has better OVERALL conditioning because he is carrying less subcutaneous fat and less water  through his entire physique , it doesn't get any simpler than that , the heavier Ronnie got the worse his conditioning became , he ONLY had Yates type dryness in 1998 when he was 249lbs the following year he was 257lbs and wasn't as sharp as 1998 this is a fact , and he isn't close to 1998/99 in terms of overall dryness in 2003  its clearly evident by the pictures.

Listen closely son, I'm not asking for your definition of conditioning. I'm asking how can you tell who has better conditioning? What clues do you look for? So far, you have not given me a clear-cut answer. You keep going in circles

"oh see, Dorian has better conditioning b/c he has less sub-q fat and water. He has less sub-q fat and water b/c he has better conditioning."

To me, Ronnie has better conditioning in these pics.

[NarcissisticDeity]

regardless theyre impressive... and certaintly count for alot... genetics is a huge factor is the game and ronnie has him on shape, struture, and seperation... plus having striations everywhere vs dorianslack there of... = victory..
and suckmymuscle... shorten ur f*cking posts...

They don't count for much ask Munzer and Hamdullah Aykutlu , neither ever won a pro show and both had striations that NO ONE else could match

Ronnie does have some advantages in muscle shape and other he doesn't , Dorian has better shapped forearms , abdominals , gastrocnemius , soleus , sidehead of the triceps , lats lats insert lower in his back , glutes , yes I said glutes because Ronnie's are oddly shaped and grossly overdeveloped , both have advantages and disadvantages but saying Ronnie has better shape is to simplistic and not 100% accurate

and structure ? who do you think you're talking about? Bob Paris or Steve Reeves or Chris Cormier? Ronnie may have a better ' structure ' than Dorian but Yates easily beats him on balance & proportion , so we're back to square one.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Listen closely son, I'm not asking for your definition of conditioning. I'm asking how can you tell who has better conditioning? What clues do you look for? So far, you have not given me a clear-cut answer. You keep going in circles

"oh see, Dorian has better conditioning b/c he has less sub-q fat and water. He has less sub-q fat and water b/c he has better conditioning."

To me, Ronnie has better conditioning in these pics.

You are retarded you seriously are you want a clue Ronnie 2003 is carrying more water and sub-q fat in his phsyique VS Dorian , I showed you pictures its plainly evident , Ronnie is carrying more sub-q fat and watter in his back and Dorian Yates is NOT its that simple .

[Hulkster]

Ronnie 2003 vs. Dorian 1995:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie 2003 vs. Dorian 1995:

Yates is just sick !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie NO sub-q fat or excess water in 1998 VS 2003

[Hulkster]

They don't count for much ask Munzer and Hamdullah Aykutlu , neither ever won a pro show and both had striations that NO ONE else could match

why do you keep saying stupid stuff like this?

Strations by themselves don't win you contests, as you pointed out with munzer and hamdullah.

but COMBINE striations with size and shape, and you start to win everything:



435 pages and you still don't understand simple concepts...