Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Oh no one is doubting those aren't mandatory poses its just your ridiculous claims they come anywhere near this.

Did Ronnie in 03 have a bigger gut than Dorian while relaxed? Yes. I have never denied this. However, compare them in the mandatory poses. You keep posting backstage or in the middle of transition pics of Ronnie. I can post shots of Dorian with a distended midsection too.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Did Ronnie in 03 have a bigger gut than Dorian while relaxed? Yes. I have never denied this. However, compare them in the mandatory poses. You keep posting backstage or in the middle of transition pics of Ronnie. I can post shots of Dorian with a distended midsection too.

No one is saying Dorian didn't have any destension , but it was NO WHERE NEAR your hero , not by a long shot , hell look at Ronnie 2001 ASC he had more distension than Yates !

[IceCold]

dorian and ronnie both had guts.

however, dorian still had a great midsection.

ronnie's midsection was horrendous and was a liability.

big difference. 

[IceCold]

Out of balance, but not as visible as this...

i think something is wrong with your computer.

it seems that whenever you try to post a picture of ronnie displaying the very definition of out of balance your computer seems to post a picture of dorian.

[Hulkster]

hell look at Ronnie 2001 ASC he had more distension than Yates !

and yet he waist was much smaller than yates and his abs just as tight:


look at that pec detail too! It crushes anything Yates had.

[pobrecito]

Who has the 2001AC video??? I need to compare it to 98

[NeoSeminole]

some pics from the 01 ASC

[LyricTenor]

Dont you understand. It doesnt matter how many pics you post of Ronnie with his gut hidden. There are always going to be pictures of him with the gut.  You cant just make it go away by showing differnet pictures.  In 93 dorian showed a slight gut which isnt nearly as bad as coleman's.  No amount of "good" shots of either dorian or coleman will hide that fact.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is for Neosemen  you're owned kid.

FYI Ronnie is 10 pounds lighter and his gut is 10 times worse lol

[the shadow]

some pics from the 01 ASC

insane condition

[NeoSeminole]

FYI Ronnie is 10 pounds lighter and his gut is 10 times worse

do the judges sit at the corners of the stage? No dipshit. I challenge you to post 1 pic of 01 ASC Ronnie from straight on hitting a mandatory with his gut sticking out. I'm not saying that none exist, but I haven't seen any.

[pobrecito]

Unforntunately, I can't find any rear relaxed shot like this of Yates from 93, which would be a better comparison since he was at his best. Ronnie's shot is from the 2001AC, I would have liked to get a rear relaxed shot from 99 for him.

[suckmymuscle]

SUCKY knows exactly what was said in a different thread, he's been backpeddling with this same revisionist dime-store analysis ever since..hahahahaahahahaha hahah

  How am I back-peddling if I said I stand by everything I said 100%, dumbass? You posted a pic where both Dorian's and Dillet's front delts are visible, and Dillet ovierpowers him there. So what? That's one angle in a shot that's not even a mandatory. My point is that Dillet's bis&tris were obviously bigger than Dorian's, but that was only an advantage for him in the front double biceps. He lost the side triceps shot to Dorian flat out despite having bigger triceps. How do you explain that? Dorian's triceps had more quality and Dillet's medial and anterior deltoid heads - which are visible in this shot - are no match for Yates'.

Dillet's delts only overpower Yates, as does every other aspect other than back detail.  It's embarassing seeing those pics of Yates being dominated yet claimed the "winner".

  Dillet's front delts overpowered his other two and his biceps&triceps. I never denied that Dillet had bigger overrall arms than Dorian. But his major advantage was in biceps. When it coems to delts, Dorian had the better medial and anterior delts and he also had the better triceps as far as quality goes.

  Dillet never overpowered Dorian in any way, shape or form. Dillet's only advantage over Dorian were biceps&triceps and midsection. Period. At everything else, Dorian destroyed him easily. In the side chest shot, Dillet's varicose veins couldn't compensate for his flat pecs. Dorian was thicker and denser overrall and Dillet's calves, although better than Ronnie's, were sub-par. I don't think that any comments about Dillet's back are even necessary. Once again, you favor the Black guy over the White guy. I'm not even going to debate Dillet, because his his lack of pectoralis thickness and lat width&thickness, besides conditioning, makes the argument stupid. You are a retard for thinking that Dillet was ever even a threat to Dorian. Even Dillet himself new that he was competing for second at best. I'll let you believe whatever you want and go back to arguing Dorian vs Ronnie.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

No amount of blathering erases the fact that from the front Yates always had a wider waist because of overly-muscular obliques and his structure. This is more significant than side gut shots that both had issues with as it affected taper.

Thus the vaunted H-taper.

[suckmymuscle]

I will try to explain. It's not about who I prefer, but which physique I think will win. Bodybuilding contests are decided by comparisons in the mandatory poses. Ronnie in 03 had a distended midsection, but he was able to keep it in check during comparisons. He would either suck in his gut or hide it with his massive arms depending on the pose. I have posted numerous pics of 03 Ronnie with a flat stomach. He also had a level of muscularity that has never been matched. His conditioning wasn't far off from his all-time best. He had feathered lats and shredded glutes at 286 lbs. I've seen pics from the contest and he literally made 2nd place look like an amateur.

  Ronnie looked like garbage in 2003 from a symmetrical standpoint. Just trash. There's no way that he would win the symmetry round in an unbiased contest. First of all, the midsection is the center of the body and is the one area that is visible in all mandatories from the front and sides. It is also visible in the relaxed round when all the competitors are compared. Ronnie's distended midsection would make him lose an the symmetry round of an unbiased contest flat out. There goes 50% of the judging criteria. Now, add to that his humongous quadriceps overpowered not only his calves but also his entire upper-body and the symmetry round is lost. The judges might forgive his disproportional quadriceps on the grounds that it's not fair to penalize a competitor for excessive, disproportional muscularity. But the midsection is the most severe symmetrical liability a bodybuuilder can have. Tops!

  There's no way the 2003 Coleman would walk all over Dorian. In my opinion, I think that, if the two were to go against each other at the Olympia stage, Ronnie would win because the judges there only care about muscle size at the expense of everything else. Now, in a contest where trhe judges actually followed the book, I think Dorian would win. Ronnie would have 30 lbs on Dorian, but the quality of Dorian's muscularity was superior, with greater conditioning. Bodybuilders like Shawn and Flex, etc, have defeated competitors who outweighed them by 50 lbs, so I don't think that the weight difference would make that much of a difference when we consider that Dorian's muscles just plain looked better than that of the 2003 Ronnie. And finally, Dorian had a flat stomach and etched abs and serratus at 260 lbs, so he would win the symmetry round flat out.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

ND with further proof of Yates' significant gut problem. 

Compared to those other guys he's got twice the stomach! 

[suckmymuscle]

Do the judges sit at the corners of the stage? No. Also, Ronnie's midsection looks better than Dexter's in that pic.

  Thbis is irrelevant, because at least two mandatories - the side chest and side triceps - are evaluated from the sides. Besides, in the symmetry round, the physique is evaluated as whole and Ronnie would lose flat out to Dorian the symmetry round based on that alone. The gut is also visible during transition. Sucking in the gut? Even then, the distension is seen in the upper part of Ronnie's gut, and looks like a watermellon.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Ownage & SUCKY's words are like oil & water. I forgot, this is coming from a Mussolini groupie. 

  Conversely, "Pumpster" and "owned" go together very well...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

its funny how ND goes on about ronnie's 2003 gut, when it was his lover who started the whole trend:




 

dorian, way back in 1993 and at 257 pounds, was the originator of the Mr. O. gut, a trend that continues to this day.

Thanks, Dorian

  Dorian always had a thick waist, because he has genetically wide hips. There is a difference between a thick waist and a distended gut, turd. Dorian's stomach was flat as Belgium at 260 lbs, and he always had better abdominal and serratus separations than Ronnie, even when compared to the Ronnie from 1998. Ronnie did have better taper than Dorian in 1998, but even then Dorian's abs&serratus was better. Ther only year when Dorian's midesection was distended was in 1997, when he was 270 lbs. And the really amazing thing is that, even then, his abs&serratus were better than Ronnie's at 250 lbs! The third picture shows Dorian's taper and the ladst pic shows his incredible abs and serratus separations from 1997, when he was 270 lbs.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Did Ronnie in 03 have a bigger gut than Dorian while relaxed? Yes. I have never denied this. However, compare them in the mandatory poses. You keep posting backstage or in the middle of transition pics of Ronnie. I can post shots of Dorian with a distended midsection too.

  Like I said, the gut is visible in the two mandatories from the sides and, although not as much from the front, it is still visible. But don't forget that the relaxed round is 50% of the judging and Ronnie loses there in symmetry flat out because the physique is evaluated as a whole, and I'm sorry, but Ronnie looks awful.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

Dorian always had a thick waist, because he has genetically wide hips.

No amount of Yates washboard shots will erase that either, thus the patented "H-taper".

[RocketSwitch625]

Unforntunately, I can't find any rear relaxed shot like this of Yates from 93, which would be a better comparison since he was at his best. Ronnie's shot is from the 2001AC, I would have liked to get a rear relaxed shot from 99 for him.

Hulkster & Pumpster are crying now.

Pwned

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster & Pumpster are crying now.

Pwned

Whats ironic is those pics aren't scaled right because Ronnoe & Dorian have the same size waist and calves and a 270lb Yates would make a 247lb Ronnie look petite.

[pumpster]

Rocketnerd & ND always resort to back shots because (1) Yates's pot doesn't show as much from behind, (2) Yates never looks great from the front which is why he was never able to be dominant, and (3) for da butt. 

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie looked like garbage in 2003 from a symmetrical standpoint. Just trash. There's no way that he would win the symmetry round in an unbiased contest. First of all, the midsection is the center of the body and is the one area that is visible in all mandatories from the front and sides. It is also visible in the relaxed round when all the competitors are compared. Ronnie's distended midsection would make him lose an the symmetry round of an unbiased contest flat out. There goes 50% of the judging criteria. Now, add to that his humongous quadriceps overpowered not only his calves but also his entire upper-body and the symmetry round is lost. The judges might forgive his disproportional quadriceps on the grounds that it's not fair to penalize a competitor for excessive, disproportional muscularity. But the midsection is the most severe symmetrical liability a bodybuuilder can have. Tops!

Here are pics of 03 Ronnie during the symmetry round. I don't see a gut.







Here's Ronnie hitting the mandatory poses. I still don't see a gut.

There's no way the 2003 Coleman would walk all over Dorian. In my opinion, I think that, if the two were to go against each other at the Olympia stage, Ronnie would win because the judges there only care about muscle size at the expense of everything else. Now, in a contest where trhe judges actually followed the book, I think Dorian would win. Ronnie would have 30 lbs on Dorian, but the quality of Dorian's muscularity was superior, with greater conditioning. Bodybuilders like Shawn and Flex, etc, have defeated competitors who outweighed them by 50 lbs, so I don't think that the weight difference would make that much of a difference when we consider that Dorian's muscles just plain looked better than that of the 2003 Ronnie. And finally, Dorian had a flat stomach and etched abs and serratus at 260 lbs, so he would win the symmetry round flat out.

Ronnie's conditioning in 03 was just as good as Dorian's in 95. The difference isn't night and day like Dorian nuthuggers believe. I've posted several pics showing Ronnie had pretty damn good conditioning in 03. He was shredded everywhere and his lower back was crisp. Even his obliques were striated. His back may have been carrying a little water, but if lack of separations is an indicator of conditioning then Dorian was also holding a little water in his arms, shoulders, and quads. Now add the fact that Ronnie was almost 30 lbs heavier than Dorian. It's easy to see why Ronnie would win.