Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[RocketSwitch625]

Run along now kid. I can understand if you were totally against massive physiques to make a comment like that, but you obsess over Dorian like a Japanese school girl. How can you say Ronnie doesn't deserve to win the Mr. Olympia yet make an exception for a blocky torso, missing one arm bricklayer?

To me Yates isn't blocky and his damaged left bicep didn't matter that much. If it had mattered he wouldn't have won after 1994.

[Hulkster]

If the standard was still as high as it was 10 years ago I don't think he would ever have been Mr Olympia.

pretty stupid comment considering that almost everone on this board, other boards and most pros consider Ronnie at his best to be the greatest of all time in terms of physique.

Ronnie 98/99 or even 2003 and Flex 1993 are the two names that ALWAYS come up whenever it is asked who the greatest ever was (I guess Sergio too).

Arnold is always brought up but not really for his physique, but rather his promotion of the sport.

Dorian is seldom mentioned.

These are just simple facts. do your research, you will seldom find people arguing that Dorian Yates was the greatest physique ever, even in 1993.

Haney? sure.
Arnold. depends
Segio? definately
Flex - often
Ronnie - often
Dorian - hardly ever.

there is a reason for this folks.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Son, we've already been through this before. Ronnie isn't fully flexing in that pic. Notice how scrunched together his traps are? Also, look at his left elbow. His arms are pulled further back b/c you can see much more of his elbow compared to Dorian.

What does that have to do with being bigger? you think Ronnie by ' unscruching ' is suddenly going to be wider than Yates?  Yates is crushing Ronnie in terms of thickness & denity while only being 5lbs heavier and this isn't even his best year !!

[NeoSeminole]

To me Yates isn't blocky and his damaged left bicep didn't matter that much. If it had mattered he wouldn't have won after 1994.

bullshit, I can say the same thing about standards as you. If the IFBB actually followed their judging criteria, Dorian should never have won the Mr. Olympia. How can you say Dorian's poor arms and blocky waist didn't matter that much b/c the judges selected him, yet argue the judges didn't uphold any standards by crowning Ronnie the Mr. Olympia? Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

[pumpster]

He is in the offseason there but he looks a million times better than Coleman in the offseason.

I'd use the term "bearlike". Weight goes up, arms stay the same. 

[NeoSeminole]

What does that have to do with being bigger? you think Ronnie by ' unscruching ' is suddenly going to be wider than Yates?  Yates is crushing Ronnie in terms of thickness & denity while only being 5lbs heavier and this isn't even his best year!!

my bad, I read your comment in a hurry. I thought you suggested Dorian was bigger than Ronnie in that picture.

[pumpster]

dorian holds a lot of his weight in his torso.... king kamalish... his organs must weigh a lot or something   ... ronnie on the other hand has smaller joints.... making him look much bigger...

A key difference is the difference in tapers. Coleman with a big advantage both in absolute size & muscle volume with more dramatic tapers to smaller joints. Big difference in lat-waist ratio.

[NarcissisticDeity]

pretty stupid comment considering that almost everone on this board, other boards and most pros consider Ronnie at his best to be the greatest of all time in terms of physique.

Ronnie 98/99 or even 2003 and Flex 1993 are the two names that ALWAYS come up whenever it is asked who the greatest ever was (I guess Sergio too).

Arnold is always brought up but not really for his physique, but rather his promotion of the sport.

Dorian is seldom mentioned.

These are just simple facts. do your research, you will seldom find people arguing that Dorian Yates was the greatest physique ever, even in 1993.

Haney? sure.
Arnold. depends
Segio? definately
Flex - often
Ronnie - often
Dorian - hardly ever.

there is a reason for this folks.

Let me end this nonsense real quick , Arnold is BY far the greatest bodybuilder and NOT for just his movie career , Arnold set the precedent NO ONE could touch for years and he got bored with competing he could have won 10 Mr Olympias without much effort , when people refer to Haney they say " he beat Arnold's record " keyword Arnold , he dominated the sport in a way Sergio never did .

I certainly don't reguard Yates as the best ever not by a lonh shot but neither is Ronnie and I don't care how many titles he won , Arnold was never beaten by such medicore guys as a Gunther or Cutler

Arnold was just 8 IFBB Pro wins but he is hands down the greatest bodybuilder ever ( with the exception of Steve Reeves of course )

[RocketSwitch625]

bullshit, I can say the same thing about standards as you. If the IFBB actually followed their judging criteria, Dorian should never have won the Mr. Olympia. How can you say Dorian's poor arms and blocky waist didn't matter that much

Have you ever studied a picture of Yates hitting the abdominal & thigh pose? He totally destroys Coleman. But in my opinion he destroys Coleman in almost every pose.

[NarcissisticDeity]

bullshit, I can say the same thing about standards as you. If the IFBB actually followed their judging criteria, Dorian should never have won the Mr. Olympia. How can you say Dorian's poor arms and blocky waist didn't matter that much b/c the judges selected him, yet argue the judges didn't uphold any standards by crowning Ronnie the Mr. Olympia? Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

Whats the IFBB rule on looking pregnant? lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Have you ever studied a picture of Yates hitting the abdominal & thigh pose? He totally destroys Coleman. But in my opinion he destroys Coleman in almost every pose.

Great point ! Yates just destroys Ronnie in the ab-thigh and most other mandatory poses .

[NeoSeminole]

Let me end this nonsense real quick , Arnold is BY far the greatest bodybuilder and NOT for just his movie career , Arnold set the precedent NO ONE could touch for years and he got bored with competing he could have won 10 Mr Olympias without much effort , when people refer to Haney they say " he beat Arnold's record " keyword Arnold , he dominated the sport in a way Sergio never did.

ha ha ha ha, for someone who places so much importance on balance and conditioning I'm surprised you think Arnold is the greatest bodybuilder ever.

[pumpster]

when people refer to Haney they say " he beat Arnold's record " keyword Arnold , he dominated the sport in a way Sergio never did .

I certainly don't reguard Yates as the best ever not by a lonh shot but neither is Ronnie and I don't care how many titles he won , Arnold was never beaten by such medicore guys as a Gunther or Cutler

You are a classic Iron Age follower who refuses to acknowledge the politics that led to these decisions. Even in Iron Age this is acknowledged! It is not as though all the previous results were achieved only by merit, are you naive?

[Hulkster]

To me Yates isn't blocky and his damaged left bicep didn't matter that much. If it had mattered he wouldn't have won after 1994.

but he should not have won in 94, 97 and arguably 96 in the first place.

And to say Yates isn't blocky is just plain stupid.

(insert Pumpster H-Taper shot here!)

[NeoSeminole]

Have you ever studied a picture of Yates hitting the abdominal & thigh pose? He totally destroys Coleman. But in my opinion he destroys Coleman in almost every pose.

ummmm, no? Here is a comparison between 03 Ronnie and 96 Dorian. Ronnie's holds his own and this isn't even his best abs-and-thighs shot. Notice "thighs" is included in the name.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha ha, for someone who places so much importance on balance and conditioning I'm surprised you think Arnold is the greatest bodybuilder ever.

Oh please , this is without debate ! it just isn't Arnold set the trend for others to follow , I would love to see what all of the pros would look like with just some d-bols lol Arnold did more with less drugs than any pro today , Arnold is the great bodybuilder of all time even to this day.

Steve Reeves is another story.

[pumpster]

H-taper:

[pumpster]

Vince Basile on Olympia politics that ND pretends don't exist, that clearly helped Schwarzenegger & Yates. Only an idiot or naif would suggest that Schwarzenegger could have dominated for 10 years in fair contests!
Excerpt, Iron Age:

It was possible to have all the competitors at the same scale in images and this would guarantee complete fairness in the process. This is where Danny Padilla stood out. Oh, he was a crowd favourite and had a couple of things he did that got a lot of applause. If the contest was judged using objective processes as well as live judging then maybe guys like Danny would have won.

Danny was way better than Franco in 1981. I mean, Franco wasn't in what I would call his best condition. Even Tom Platz was better. But Danny was cut to ribbons and still didn't get what he deserved. I guess someone up high didn't want him to win. Ditto for Casey Viator who was great one of those years. The whole saga of the judging of the Olympia is one that should be written but most are afraid to speak out.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ummmm, no? Here is a comparison between 03 Ronnie and 96 Dorian. Ronnie's holds his own and this isn't even his best abs-and-thighs shot.

He's actually NOT holding his own lol Yates' clearly has the better midsection , and its tighter look at how thick Coleman's obliques are thats NOT Yates' best year either thats 96 and his legs were down in size , and talk about Yates' owning Ronnie on dryness !

[NarcissisticDeity]

Vince Basile on Olympia politics that ND pretends don't exist. Excerpt, Iron Age:

It was possible to have all the competitors at the same scale in images and this would guarantee complete fairness in the process. This is where Danny Padilla stood out. Oh, he was a crowd favourite and had a couple of things he did that got a lot of applause. If the contest was judged using objective processes as well as live judging then maybe guys like Danny would have won.

Danny was way better than Franco in 1981. I mean, Franco wasn't in what I would call his best condition. Even Tom Platz was better. But Danny was cut to ribbons and still didn't get what he deserved. I guess someone up high didn't want him to win. Ditto for Casey Viator who was great one of those years. The whole saga of the judging of the Olympia is one that should be written but most are afraid to speak out.

yawn ......we hard this wrap before and ironically I agree I think Danny makes Franco look like ass , but if you insist on using politics as a crutch than they held of Ronnie on every single one of his close calls , 98/01/02/04/ thats half his run.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hell this is Yates 97 at his worse and he still has a better midsection than Coleman.

[RocketSwitch625]

Coleman's career started badly and ended horribly. Yate's career started great and he retired as champion. 'Nuff said.

[pumpster]

ND just can't admit the truth, fantasizes that Schwarzenegger would have won "10 times" when he didn't even win in '72 in a genuine contest. 

Excerpt, Vince Basile, there in Venice in the late 60s:

I understand Robby Robinson's position. He feels that bodybuilders have made Weider and others rich while getting very little in return. I can say that magazines pay almost nothing for photos and articles. I didn't get the cost of film and processing back. It was just fun to see my articles being published.

Guess he is still upset because that bigot, Arnold, who made a fortune, became governor of California and so on. I have said it before, but if are black you have to be much better than the white guys to win. Sergio had trouble and so did everyone before Chris Dickerson in the Mr America. Let us face it, America is still somewhat racist in many ways.

[IceCold]

pretty stupid comment considering that almost everone on this board, other boards and most pros consider Ronnie at his best to be the greatest of all time in terms of physique.

Ronnie 98/99 or even 2003 and Flex 1993 are the two names that ALWAYS come up whenever it is asked who the greatest ever was (I guess Sergio too).

Arnold is always brought up but not really for his physique, but rather his promotion of the sport.

Dorian is seldom mentioned.

These are just simple facts. do your research, you will seldom find people arguing that Dorian Yates was the greatest physique ever, even in 1993.

Haney? sure.
Arnold. depends
Segio? definately
Flex - often
Ronnie - often
Dorian - hardly ever.

there is a reason for this folks.

you are wrong again.

stop bringing up flex from 93.  he said yates was untouchable.  why do you keep ignoring that?

i'll agree with your statement, but not with your reason.

many people think yates had an ugly physique.  and it kinda is.

however, in all the phsyqiues EVER on a bbing stage, there in only 1 person who could even potentially beat yates and that is coleman.


there is a difference between people wanting to look like someone and having someone being the best.

[Hulkster]

Question for those that claim dorian's ab and thigh is so much better:

how can you say that given that the judges have already demonstrated a preferrence for

taper

and

quads

in their 2004 Ronnie/dexter decision.

ronnie/Dorian would be no different:

dorian kills ronnie on the abs.
ronnie kills dorian on the taper and quads.

Given the 2004 decision to place the emphasis on the quads and taper, it seems pretty clear that Ronnie (in his 99 shape not his 2003 shape) would likely WIN the pose: