Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Oh please , this is without debate ! it just isn't Arnold set the trend for others to follow , I would love to see what all of the pros would look like with just some d-bols lol Arnold did more with less drugs than any pro today , Arnold is the great bodybuilder of all time even to this day.

I'm not denying that Arnold was a great bodybuilder for his day, but you're naive if you think he's the greatest ever. His biceps and chest are often touted as the best of all-time yet his forearms, delts, quads and hamstrings are mediocre at best. How's that for balance? He also had a wide waist. You cannot say "oh, he would look better than all the pros if he had today's drugs." That's just iron age wishful thinking. Arnold would probably look a lot like Gunter. The same logic can also be applied to modern bodybuilders. It would be like me saying "Ronnie would look better than all the old school bodybuilders if he only had yesteryear's drugs."

[IceCold]

Give me a break son! Ronnie was a neophyte when he competed against Dorian. You might as well compare 99 Ronnie to 91 Dorian.

you are so wrong.

coleman was a top ten guy when he competed against dorian.

coleman won the canada show in 95 and beat flex doing so.

he finished top 6 in the Olympia in 95.

got 4th at the 97 AC.

got 2nd in 96 to flex at the NOC.

he also weighed almost the exact same as dorian yet didnt even get a callout against dorian.  

coleman won when his conditioning and fullness improved.  

[pumpster]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

ND just can't admit the truth, fantasizes that Schwarzenegger would have won "10 times" when he didn't even win in '72 in a genuine contest. 

Excerpt, Vince Basile, there in Venice in the late 60s:

I understand Robby Robinson's position. He feels that bodybuilders have made Weider and others rich while getting very little in return. I can say that magazines pay almost nothing for photos and articles. I didn't get the cost of film and processing back. It was just fun to see my articles being published.

Guess he is still upset because that bigot, Arnold, who made a fortune, became governor of California and so on. I have said it before, but if are black you have to be much better than the white guys to win. Sergio had trouble and so did everyone before Chris Dickerson in the Mr America. Let us face it, America is still somewhat racist in many ways.

Oh boy lol I'll tell you what Sergio could have beat Arnold in 72 , from the pics I seen in some pics he looks like the winner in others Arnold does , so I'm not going to say it was clear either way , I would like to see video footage of the contest , but either way it was close .

and that changes nothing Arnold is the best ever.

[Hulkster]

stop bringing up flex from 93.  he said yates was untouchable.  why do you keep ignoring that?

because it is irrelevant.

Flex was beaten in 93 in part because he showed up soft compared to his AC form. We will never know what would have happened had he been much harder.

But remember: if you ASKED Flex how his shape was at the 93 contest, I can gurarentee you he will say it was his BEST EVER to date.

in fact, in the flex coverage of 93, he does state that he "duplicated his AC condition, while being a little bigger".


anyone with one good eye can tell you that was bullshit.
Now, tell me how reliable Flex's assessments of his OWN physique are?

[pumpster]

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on Today at 06:29:26 PM
Oh please , this is without debate ! it just isn't Arnold set the trend for others to follow , I would love to see what all of the pros would look like with just some d-bols lol Arnold did more with less drugs than any pro today , Arnold is the great bodybuilder of all time even to this day.

Total groupie; brainwashed by Weider, too in love with Schwarzenegger to see the reality.

[Hulkster]

you are so wrong.

coleman was a top ten guy when he competed against dorian.

coleman won the canada show in 95 and beat flex doing so.

he finished top 6 in the Olympia in 95.

got 4th at the 97 AC.

got 2nd in 96 to flex at the NOC.

he also weighed almost the exact same as dorian yet didnt even get a callout against dorian.  

coleman won when his conditioning and fullness improved.  

but you fail to take into account the most important thing:

The judges may have given Ronnie at good look at the canada pro cup and the NOC, but when it came to the Olympia,

they were like , "Ronnie who?"

[pumpster]

Oh boy lol I'll tell you what Sergio could have beat Arnold in 72 , from the pics I seen in some pics he looks like the winner in others Arnold does , so I'm not going to say it was clear either way , I would like to see video footage of the contest , but either way it was close

If it was that close then STFU about Schwarzenegger's dominance and winning 10 times-he was in his best shape in '73 and '74 because of Oliva in '72, knowing that he Arnold was beatable.

FYI Oliva was excluded from PI on purpose-to make Schwarzenegger look better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not denying that Arnold was a great bodybuilder for his day, but you're naive if you think he's the greatest ever. His biceps and chest are often touted as the best of all-time yet his forearms, delts, quads and hamstrings are mediocre at best. How's that for balance? He also had a wide waist. You cannot say "oh, he would look better than all the pros if he had today's drugs." That's just iron age wishful thinking. Arnold would probably look a lot like Gunter.

Put Arnold into CONTEXT I never claimed his balance was the best not by a long shot , his delts were awesome , his quads are OUTSTANDING spare me the size-speech no one had gigantic quads back then and his hamstrings sucked period , having a ' wide ' waist is better than having a narrow one that sticks out looking like you're pregnant and Arnold is the best without a second thought.

[Hulkster]

in other words, he was far overlooked at the really big shows, right up until 98.

in fact, he wasn't even called out in the first callout in 98, the first time that someone had not been called out in the first call and went on to win in 15 years.

hows that for being overlooked at first?

[pumpster]

I never claimed his balance was the best not by a long shot , his delts were awesome , his quads are OUTSTANDING spare me the size-speech no one had gigantic quads back then and his hamstrings sucked period , having a ' wide ' waist is better than having a narrow one that sticks out looking like you're pregnant and Arnold is the best without a second thought.

Suddenly there are a TON of qualifications to Arnold's greatness! 

[IceCold]

Question for those that claim dorian's ab and thigh is so much better:

how can you say that given that the judges have already demonstrated a preferrence for

taper

and

quads

in their 2004 Ronnie/dexter decision.

ronnie/Dorian would be no different:

dorian kills ronnie on the abs.
ronnie kills dorian on the taper and quads.

Given the 2004 decision to place the emphasis on the quads and taper, it seems pretty clear that Ronnie (in his 99 shape not his 2003 shape) would likely WIN the pose:

wrong again.


jay beat ronnie in the abs and thigh despite ronnie having a better taper.


if paul and nasser, with great abs and legs, didnt beat dorian, there is no fuckking way that coleman is.  

and dont say 'flaw juding'.  yates clearly won bc of his size and conditioning in that pose while having an excellent midsection.  his quads didnt have the most cuts, but between his abs and thickest lats of all time, he clearly won.


ronnie's 4 pack is by far the worst midsection of any Mr. Olympia and is on  the list of all time worst midsections.  

[IceCold]

but you fail to take into account the most important thing:

The judges may have given Ronnie at good look at the canada pro cup and the NOC, but when it came to the Olympia,

they were like , "Ronnie who?"

nope. 


ronnie never deserved to place higher than 6th like he got in 95. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

If it was that close then STFU about Schwarzenegger's dominance and winning 10 times-he was in his best shape in '73 and '74 because of Oliva in '72.

Oooooooohhhhhhhh pumpy is getting upset lol okay lets entertain that he did lose in 72 that changes NOTHING he still dominated Sergio at the 1970 Mr World , and Mr Olymia and he beat the reigning Sergio up until that it was never done and he still was the clear cut winner in 70/71/73/74/75 thats total domination !!

[Hulkster]

ronnie's 4 pack is by far the worst midsection of any Mr. Olympia and is on  the list of all time worst midsections

maybe so, but you could say the exact same thing for Dorian's biceps for 4 out of his 6 wins:


 

[NarcissisticDeity]

but you fail to take into account the most important thing:

The judges may have given Ronnie at good look at the canada pro cup and the NOC, but when it came to the Olympia,

they were like , "Ronnie who?"

The excuses flow like wine baby lol Ronnie was NEVER good enough to be called out with Dorian Yates !

[IceCold]

because it is irrelevant.

Flex was beaten in 93 in part because he showed up soft compared to his AC form. We will never know what would have happened had he been much harder.

But remember: if you ASKED Flex how his shape was at the 93 contest, I can gurarentee you he will say it was his BEST EVER to date.

in fact, in the flex coverage of 93, he does state that he "duplicated his AC condition, while being a little bigger".


anyone with one good eye can tell you that was bullshit.
Now, tell me how reliable Flex's assessments of his OWN physique are?

what is your point and what are you trying to say?

that flex at the AC was better at the Olympia?

obviously.

but flex never said that if he showed up like he did at the AC it would have been closer between him and dorian.  

he never said that.  

he only said yates was untouchable.

but yet your 2nd fav.  of all time in his best year called dorian 'untouchable'.

like anything concrete (a direct quote from a competitor of BOTH ronnie and dorian) you ignore it bc it doesnt support your argument.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Question for those that claim dorian's ab and thigh is so much better:

how can you say that given that the judges have already demonstrated a preferrence for

taper

and

quads

in their 2004 Ronnie/dexter decision.

ronnie/Dorian would be no different:

dorian kills ronnie on the abs.
ronnie kills dorian on the taper and quads.

Given the 2004 decision to place the emphasis on the quads and taper, it seems pretty clear that Ronnie (in his 99 shape not his 2003 shape) would likely WIN the pose:

Dexter was also 70lbs lighter than Ronnie in 04 and thats part of the criteria ,

Dorian kills Ronnie in abdominals , intercostles and obliques and serattus and balance & proportion and calves and conditioning

Ronnie has better upper quad seperation 

[Hulkster]

many people think yates had an ugly physique.  and it kinda is.

I agree totally.

now, the question comes up:

given that some yates fans like yourself feel that Dorian's physique is kind of ugly, what do you think of ND's comments about Yates "fantastic balance and proportion"?

do you think he is nuts like all of us do?

because you cannot have great balance and proportion and have an ugly physisque at the same time.

that is an oxymoron and an impossibility.

physiques with great balance and proportion, like this one:


are never ugly looking.

[IceCold]

maybe so, but you could say the exact same thing for Dorian's biceps for 4 out of his 6 wins:


 

nah.

before 94, dorian had good biceps.

they werent great, but good.   they were never a liabilitly.

he certainly wasnt known for his biceps.

however, coleman's midsection HAS ALWAYS been bad, regardless of the year.  

ronnie's midsection HAS ALWAYS been a liability.  

[IceCold]

I agree totally.

now, the question comes up:

given that some yates fans like yourself feel that Dorian's physique is kind of ugly, what do you think of ND's comments about Yates "fantastic balance and proportion"?

do you think he is nuts like all of us do?

because you cannot have great balance and proportion and have an ugly physisque at the same time.

that is an oxymoron and an impossibility.

physiques with great balance and proportion, like this one:


are never ugly looking.

not really.

ronnie is not the picture of balance and proportion.

his 4 pack and calves throw it off.

mike francois was very balanced and proportion, but had that "blocky white guy look".

haney was pretty, but his legs and arms were too small.

nasser was very balanced and proportioned, yet was known for having an ugly freaky physique. 

[NeoSeminole]

Put Arnold into CONTEXT I never claimed his balance was the best not by a long shot , his delts were awesome , his quads are OUTSTANDING spare me the size-speech no one had gigantic quads back then and his hamstrings sucked period , having a ' wide ' waist is better than having a narrow one that sticks out looking like you're pregnant and Arnold is the best without a second thought.

bwahahaha, stop making excuses son. Sergio Oliva won the Mr. Olympia BEFORE Arnold and had bigger legs. Just b/c big legs were less common back then does not make it acceptable to have mediocre legs. It would be like me saying a flat midsection is not important nowadays b/c many top bodybuilders don't have them.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I agree totally.

now, the question comes up:

given that some yates fans like yourself feel that Dorian's physique is kind of ugly, what do you think of ND's comments about Yates "fantastic balance and proportion"?

do you think he is nuts like all of us do?

because you cannot have great balance and proportion and have an ugly physisque at the same time.

that is an oxymoron and an impossibility.

physiques with great balance and proportion, like this one:


are never ugly looking.

Aesthetics have NOTHING to do with balance & proportion , although they help , and again Ronnie isn't balance or proportioned , he has underdeveloped calves and overdeveloped quads , protruding gut even at his best , glutes that stick out so wide they can be seen from the front WTF gigantic biceps/triceps and small IN RELATION forearms , this isn't balance kid , and he's not aesthetic either , more aesthetic than Yates yes but not aesthetic in the traditional terms.

[pumpster]

Oooooooohhhhhhhh pumpy is getting upset lol okay lets entertain that he did lose in 72 that changes NOTHING he still dominated Sergio at the 1970 Mr World , and Mr Olymia and he beat the reigning Sergio up until that it was never done and he still was the clear cut winner in 70/71/73/74/75 thats total domination !!

MELTDOWN

[pumpster]

Arguably THE ugliest tri shot ever: