Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

I have provided plenty of proof in the form of side by side comparisons and using simple knowledge of anatomy. I even showed how 03 Ronnie was slightly wider than Dorian. If Ronnie's back width increased a little while having a 30 lb weight advantage, there's no reason to think Dorian would be wider if they weighed the same.

to me, it looks like 2003/4 Ronnie was easily wider than Yates even at his biggest.

Look at this lat width:



show me a shot of dorian that compares to this.

[suckmymuscle]

Let's get this clear: both had distended stomachs that were in each case either a liability when posing or not

  No, you're wrong. First of all it's simply not true that Dorian had a distended midection in 1995. Wide hips? Yes. Distended gut? No. Secondly, it doesen't matter because Dorian had the flatter stomach and this would tip the balance in his favor. Add to that his superiorly separated abs/serratus and it's lights out, Ronnie.

  Now, a distended midsection is always a liabilty. Ronnie's distended gut couild be seen in the two mandatories from the sides, and it represented a liability that would make him lose the symmetry round flat out. The midsection is the one area where lack of symmetry distract from the entire physique. Why? Because it's visible from all angles and in all mandatories. It's not as bad from the front, but it's still visible. How can a distended gut not be a liability? Because Ronnie can suck it in? Well, it will still be there, because you can't eliminate physical mass: the distendion is simply sucked up the upper portion of the gut.

-try thinking logically SUCKY, I think you can do it.

  Thanks for the advice. I'll try to come up with some kind of logic that your brain is able to understand.

Arrogant, deciding for us what factors don't count. Bad skin and race are considerations in the real world; just because you don't like it doesn't discount those factors.

  You got owned so badly before when you claimed this that I thought you would let it go. But then, your stubborness is only a match for your stupidity, so let's get it on again. "Racism" didn't stop Haney from winning eight Mr.Olympia titles. It didn't stop Ronnie from winning the same number of times. It didn't stop most top pros from being Black! Your accusation that the I.F.B.B only allows Black men to win when there's no other viable White canditate is moronic. Whyu did Oliva defeat Arnold? Wasn't he a viable White candidate? Why not give it flat out to Arnold instead of having him defeat Arnold several times before? Why didn't they give it to Francis Benfatto? Actually, if you thinked a little, you'd realize that having a White Anglo-Saxon, like Dorian Yates, as the standard-bearer is the ultimate in polical incorrectness. Why would the I.F.B.B purposefully want to be accused of racism by having a White guy win it? Once again, you got owned by my faulty logic!

Acknowledging bad skin is hardly "homosexual", except to those confused and threatened by it. Obviously a nerve's been hit.

  This coming from someone who has constantly made homosexual insinuations throughout this thread. Now, what kind of guy says that nother has "flawless skin"? That reeks of gayness to me. That's the kind of thing you'd see a guy at a guy bar saying to another to seduce him.

After 450 pages, SUCKY has just now figured out that Yates' double bi blows.

  I always ssaid that Dorian's front double biceps were bad. Pumpster, give it up: your I.Q is as low as the number of times Dorian was defeated in his career.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

LOL

It will probably take him another 400 pages to figure out that Dorian's quads suck from the front and that his waist is wide too

  And it'll take you another thousand pages for you to realize that the onlyh reason Ronnie won in both 1998 and 1999 is because Dorian retired.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

 But the thing is that you're wrong. The arm is alarge bodypart, which show-cases different muscles from different angles. You're making an a priori assessment which is simply not true. Comparing Ronnie's calves to Dorian's arms and trying to derive and analogy between them as far as liability goes is ridiculous. It's obvious that Ronnie's biceps were bigger than Dorian's even in 1999. When you consider that the difference in arm size was not that great to begin with, you realize that the difference in triceps muscularity was, at best, small. I'm not even including forearms here - where Dorian trounces Ronnie at -, because the real issue here is arm girth, which includes only biceps and triceps.

  But regardless, lets assume that Ronnie does have a small advantage in overrall triceps muscularity. Who cares? The inner and medial triceps heads are only visible when felxing the arms from the front. Since Ronnie wins this mandatory anyway, the point is mute. Now the arms as a whole are only judged in thge relaxed round. I will give the edge to Ronnie, by a very small margin. The bottom line is that there's an entire mandatory designed to show-case the triceps, and Dorian wins it do to better muscular quality, more striations, superiorly etched serratus, more proportional deltoid heads and I'm not even mentioning the calves. Ops, I already did. Is Ronnie's small advantager in triceps size visible in the back double biceps? No, because only the lateral triceps head is visible, and Dorian talkes it. It is barely visible in the rear lat spread. But let' give that to Ronnie. Regardless, how does this stop Dorian from taking this mandatory since he has the widest lats? It doesen't. Even if Ronnie wins points over Dorian in the rear lat spread due to his - barely visible and only slightly bigger - inner and medial triceps heads, Dorian still wins the pose because he takes Ronnie flat out at everything else. Is it visible in the front lat spread? No. So Ronnie's small advantage in overrall triceps muscularity wouldn't mean much, because it is only visible in one mandatory and during the relaxed round. And when you consider how small the difference is, and that Dorian would defeat Ronnie on lat width, midsection and at least tie in pectoralis thickness, you realized that the few points Ronnie would win there wouldn't mean much.

  But Dorian's was flatter! That's all that matters in a comparison! And I'm sorry, but Ronnie couldn't hold a candle to Dorian in abs/serratus separations even in his 1998 form, let alone in 1999. The abs-and-thighs shot of Ronnie was already posted and, while it is not horrible, it is not great either. Give Ronnie the advantage in quadriceps size. Besed that, and regardless of the fact that Ronnie's taper, when standing relaxed, was slightly better than Dorian's, Ronnie can't holed his own against The Yates because his taper is actually better than Ronnie's in 1999, he has more separations in his abs/serratus and his lats are slightly wider - which makes the difference in taper even more apparent. Game over.

  The pointhere is not an issue of muscularity, but of symmetry. Regardless, Ronnie's frontal deltoid heads were thicker than the other two, and this is obvious in the fact the side tris where the three heads are visible and Dorian's are clearly more equally developed.

  No, your're wrong: it is exactly because his waist is slightly smaller that his latisimus appear to flair wider. In symmetry here Ronnie has the edge because his waist is smaller and his waist appears to be equally wide. This is pertinent to to taper, but not when evaluating lats muscularity. The same can be said about their lats from the back - and even though taper is far less relevant here -, where Ronnie would match or defeat Dorian in taper, but would be soundly defeated in muscularity. You're not looking at their lats width to determine who has the wider ones; you're assuming that because the contrast between lat width and waist makes Ronnie appear wider than he really is. Again, the only way to verify this is with a tape measurer. However, mathematically, since they weighted the same, Ronnie had obviously bigger quads and Dorian was dryer, it is reasonable to assume that most of what maid Dorian a match for Ronnie in bodyweight was overrall back width and thickness.

  Previously, you made a very stupid analogy between muscular density and weight, proposing rhe hypotheises that Ronnie had lats as wide as Dorian's because, since Dorian was denser, he could have more weight with equal mass. This is extrmely inane because, as far as muscles go, density is a visual measure, and not a physical one. It's not like the difference in physical desity between Plutonium and Aluminum, where one pound of Plutonium occupies less physical space than the Aluminum because their atomic numbers vary. Unless you can demonstrate that the visual appearance of muscle density results from an increase in physical density, there's no way that this argument is logical. The weight of muscle tissue doesen't vary, so weight and physical size correlate always. Muscle tissue can't be "squeezed" to carry more mass in less physical space. That's impossible. You have no game.

  Lower insertion point in the tendom results in more triceps to be seen from this angle. Even if Ronnie's overrall triceps size is somewhat larger, Dorian's lateral triceps head obvioulsy has more mass because it has more space to stretch from. Add to it all the other superiorites, and Dorian makes his triceps work fro him, when it counts.

  Like I said, the side chest could go euther way. I think Ronnie's pecs were wider from the front than Dorian's. But thickess? No. Dorian's pectoralis were incredibly thick and striated. Again, Dorian's pecs were as good as Ronnie's in this angle. And consider that Dorian's c=vastus lateralis and claves are also visible from the sides, and would tip the balance in Dorian's favor. Dorian had a classical side chest shot, amazing for a 5'10 man at 260 lbs.

  His delts might have a slight advantage in muscularity. Or not. I don't see much difference. Check out the black&whites from 1993 and Dorian's delts were so huge they they looked like watermellons. Besides, Dorian had more proportional development between his three delt heads, which is visible from the sides.

  He has a gut distension and no serratus. As good as Dorian's? Check out rh lower pic. It;s from 1997, when Dorian was 270 lbs. Even at that bodyweight, his abs/serratus separations shitted all over Ronnie's, and his taper is just as good.The only thing Ronnie wins easily is and anal raping from The Yates. Again: owned.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  Don't forget to read my owning/reply to your post, NeoSeminole.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[nicorulez]

  And it'll take you another thousand pages for you to realize that the onlyh reason Ronnie won in both 1998 and 1999 is because Dorian retired.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Sucky, my friend, come on now.  You have to admit that by 1997 that Dorian was but a shell of his former self.  Compare 1993/1995 Dorian to Ronnie all you want; I agree with you.  It would have been six in one and half dozen in the other.  However, in 1997 Dorian really looked quite poor.  I believe he won simply because he was the five time champ, and Nasser still did not figure out how to work his back correctly.  Ronnie in 1998 and 1999 was infinitely better.  Now I agree, judges are notorious for having bias and picking the champ, but that appeared to change this year.  I suspect that Dorian with his ripped bicep, quadricep and chest (I think) knew he would not beat an on Wheeler.  Now, I agree that Ronnie was not even in the running in 1998 until the show began.  Nevertheless, Dorian was very beatable his last two years; he was a shell of his former self.  However, his worst was never as poor as the sideshow that Ronnie showed up in this year.    That was plain sad; Chad should be fired for feeding that line of BS to Coleman that he was as conditioned as he was last year twenty pounds lighter.  Not even close.  Honestly, Doz could have won 1998's show, but only because of dirty politics.  His time had come and passed.  Unfortunately, Ronnie did not see that light.

[NeoSeminole]

Sucky, I did read your post. I'm not going to respond b/c it's too damn long. Even if I did type a well-thought out response, you would just write another marathon post. It's pointless. Now if you keep the length of your posts down, I might feel more inclined to respond to them.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he very easily could be... shawn is flawless in that picture

Flawless? not quite , he lacks width , he has narrow shoulders , he has a long torso and short squared-off quads and he has high calves , but at least they're better than Ronnie's , Shawn looks very good in that picture , flawless is not accurate .

[NeoSeminole]

to me, it looks like 2003/4 Ronnie was easily wider than Yates even at his biggest.

Look at this lat width:



show me a shot of dorian that compares to this.

I believe Ronnie is 300+ lbs in those pics - a 20 lb increase over his 03 Mr. Olympia showing.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn was near perfect in 94, other than his lat width.

and yet the judges had dorian in relatively poor shape with one arm wipe the floor with him

See this is how little you know about bodybuilding , Shawn could match Yates on conditioning , but came no where near Yates in terms of muscular bulk , muscular density and width , these are major obsticles that he couldn't overcome.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have provided plenty of proof in the form of side by side comparisons and using simple knowledge of anatomy. I even showed how 03 Ronnie was slightly wider than Dorian. If Ronnie's back width increased a little while having a 30 lb weight advantage, there's no reason to think Dorian would be wider if they weighed the same.

In all probability his back is wider in 2003 compared to Yates at 257lbs but don't acuse him of providing no proof when in fact you in all reality can't do the same , and thats like saying Dorian's back is wider than Ronnie's when he was 230lbs , in terms of back width I think Dorian 1997 may be as wide as Ronnie 2003 despite being 17lbs lighter.

[nicorulez]

In all probability his back is wider in 2003 compared to Yates at 257lbs but don't acuse him of providing no proof when in fact you in all reality can't do the same , and thats like saying Dorian's back is wider than Ronnie's when he was 230lbs , in terms of back width I think Dorian 1997 may be as wide as Ronnie 2003 despite being 17lbs lighter.

Very true ND, I suspect that Coleman carried the extra 20 or odd pounds in his thighs, hams, glutes, arms and obviously gut...JK Hulkster.  However Dorian in 1997 looked quite poor by his high standards.  Regardless, he looked good enough to win, although I disagree with the straight firsts.

[delta9mda]

  And it'll take you another thousand pages for you to realize that the onlyh reason Ronnie won in both 1998 and 1999 is because Dorian retired.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

damn preach it brothah!!!!

[pumpster]

No, you're wrong. First of all it's simply not true that Dorian had a distended midection in 1995. Wide hips? Yes. Distended gut? No. Secondly, it doesen't matter because Dorian had the flatter stomach and this would tip the balance in his favor. Add to that his superiorly separated abs/serratus and it's lights out, Ronnie.

SUCKY you're still not getting a BB fundamental-a wide waist from the front is a disaster-WORSE than a gut because it effects the most important front poses AND effects taper. Get it through that wooden head. Stop trying to minimize the problem, stop trying to pretend that washboard abs or a flat stomach helps this when they're not related. DUH!

Quote from: suckmymuscle on Today at 06:24:26 PM
  And it'll take you another thousand pages for you to realize that the onlyh reason Ronnie won in both 1998 and 1999 is because Dorian retired. 

SUCKMYMUSCLE

damn preach it brothah!!!!

Two dolts congratulating themselves.

[RocketSwitch625]

lol you could look like this lol

Now that is what you call a fucking construction worker. All he needs is a hard hat and he wouldn't look out of place in the Village People. He poses like a sissy too.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Now that is what you call a fucking construction worker. All he needs is a hard hat and he wouldn't look out of place in the Village People. He poses like a sissy too.

Look at that balance of the gut in relation to those quads lol

[Debussey]

Now that is what you call a fucking construction worker. All he needs is a hard hat and he wouldn't look out of place in the Village People. He poses like a sissy too.

Big Pobba looks bad there.

[RocketSwitch625]

This is so gay:

Any guy that thinks shaking his ass looks macho ought to be shot.

[pobrecito]

Ronnie was very lucky the competition sucked at the 2002O....

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie was very lucky the competition sucked at the 2002O....

Jay should have competed he would have walked all over Ronnie..........again !!

[Shockwave]

SUCKY you're still not getting a BB fundamental-a wide waist from the front is a disaster-WORSE than a gut because it effects the most important front poses AND effects taper.

Good thing the judges rule the back poses more important! 

[pobrecito]

Jay should have competed he would have walked all over Ronnie..........again !!

Jay in 2001 condition would have beat Ronnie in 2002.

Ronnie was small and flat that year.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Jay in 2001 condition would have beat Ronnie in 2002.

Ronnie was small and flat that year.

Hell Levrone outright beat him in both posing rounds and Kevin wasn't his usual self if he was 02 Ronnie would be left for dead .

[pobrecito]

If I recall correctly the crowd booed unanimously when Ronnie was announced the winner over kevin

[pobrecito]

yeah buddy!

[pobrecito]

Ronnie's delt-arm tie-in was amazing in 99....best ever. You couldn't sculpt better arms and delts.