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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12275 on: November 06, 2006, 06:51:23 PM »
The master poser.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12276 on: November 06, 2006, 06:52:08 PM »
I've reversed my conclusion. Yates would win

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12277 on: November 06, 2006, 06:52:18 PM »
Ronnie 98 vs Ronnie 99: 8)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12278 on: November 06, 2006, 06:52:35 PM »
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just b/c dorian looks smaller at the same weight as ronnie doesnt make him denser.... it just highlights his giant torso, enormous joints, and lack of speration...

Agreed, they're making a very hopeful and wrong rationalization to explain away the size deficiency.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12279 on: November 06, 2006, 06:52:46 PM »
I've reversed my conclusion. Yates would win

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12280 on: November 06, 2006, 06:53:23 PM »
I've reversed my conclusion. Yates would win

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12281 on: November 06, 2006, 06:53:44 PM »
Ronnie 98 vs Ronnie 99: 8)



His gut is evident in both shots

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12282 on: November 06, 2006, 06:54:12 PM »
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haha c'mon hulkster, Yates would win.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12283 on: November 06, 2006, 06:55:16 PM »
His arms are fugging huge in 1993

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12284 on: November 06, 2006, 06:55:27 PM »
i honestly cant even believe we're still ahving this argument... im a fan of both guys... dont really love either physique... but IT ISNT EVEN CLOSE...

when dorian retired everyone KNEW that Flex would be the next Mr. O and surpass what he had achieved.... then came COLEMAN.... ronnies near retirement, lost the O this year (i dont know how) and everyone agrees that it will be some time till someones able to pass what he achieved... and not in terms of sandow trophies but in terms of the quality and outrageousness of his physique...

these pictures of ronnie are unreal...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12285 on: November 06, 2006, 06:56:44 PM »
i honestly cant even believe we're still ahving this argument... im a fan of both guys... dont really love either physique... but IT ISNT EVEN CLOSE...

when dorian retired everyone KNEW that Flex would be the next Mr. O and surpass what he had achieved.... then came COLEMAN.... ronnies near retirement, lost the O this year (i dont know how) and everyone agrees that it will be some time till someones able to pass what he achieved... and not in terms of sandow trophies but in terms of the quality and outrageousness of his physique...

these pictures of ronnie are unreal...

This is where you reveal yourself as ignorant , its not even close  ::) please

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12286 on: November 06, 2006, 06:59:06 PM »
This is where you reveal yourself as ignorant , its not even close  ::) please
haha! don't even try man, theres no changing anyones mind.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12287 on: November 06, 2006, 07:01:35 PM »
dorian WAS great, and I am a fan... but this is like argueing with my father about how he thinks ALI would beat Lenox Lewis... I'm like "Dad, Ali was great but he was just over 6 feet tall weighing in at 210 at something like 18% bF, the guy never lifted a weight in his life... Lenox lewis is 6'7' 275 at something like 5.5% on game day... lifts heavy weights everyday..."

everyone has their Hero's but the reality is SPORT evolves and athletes progress... dorian was in his prime a decade b4 ronnie... alot changed goce graci (spelling) was "unbeatable" in the UFC at an unlimited weight class weighing like 170lbs... now everyone knows his submissions and how to defend them... and the guy whos champion at the unlimited weight is like 6'9"

i cant imagine it, and might wanna resist it when it happens, but someday someone will be better then ronnie... better then michael...

babe ruth couldnt play on my dads softball league today even in his prime... the guy never saw a pitch faster then 65mph


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12288 on: November 06, 2006, 07:03:34 PM »
  Oh man, I'm sorry but you're dead wrong here. "Density", as far as bodybuilding goes, is a purely visual and not physical property. As I've already explaned to NeoSemem, you can't have "more" muscle in a given area by "squeezing" muscle into it. Sorry. Plutonium has greater physical density than Iron, in the sense that it's atomic configuration makes it heavier: one pound of Plutonium occupies a much smaller space than Iron. Get it? ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12289 on: November 06, 2006, 07:08:23 PM »
dorian looked very good at the 93 prejudging and looked a deserving winner, although the lighting was so dark you could hardly even see Flex off to the right hand side..

the lighting in 99 was not as good, but not bad.

ronnie 99 at the prejudging was, in my opinion, even better than dorian at the 93 show.

Even in dorian's signature shots (eg the front lat spread for example) Ronnie had cuts everywhere, while dorian was smooth in the quads and chest.

Ronnie's back double bi was better, as was his front double bi and side chest. Again, the side chest was another pose where Ronnie's superior detail gave him the edge.

Dorian took the side tri and ab and thigh.

as good as he was, he only was better in 2 poses.

thats how good ronnie was in 99.

these 99 pictures have not been lying folks.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12290 on: November 06, 2006, 07:20:17 PM »
dorian 95 vs Ronnie 99:


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12291 on: November 06, 2006, 07:21:29 PM »
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I've reversed my conclusion. Yates would win

We hadn't noticed amidst the wishy-washiness.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12292 on: November 06, 2006, 07:27:57 PM »
It's actually blantantly obvious that Yates would win

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12293 on: November 06, 2006, 07:36:27 PM »
It's actually blantantly obvious that Yates would win

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12294 on: November 06, 2006, 07:39:12 PM »
Here's the formula for SUCKY's density:

  Is this crab shot of Dorian even from 1993? Regardless, Ronnie might have better delt tie-ins, but that's it. Let's see...Dorian's pectoralis are as thick as Ronnie's and his delts are more proportionally develped. Check. Dorian's trapezius are as thick as Ronnie's. Check. Ronnie has bigger quads. That's it. Funny that you include a pose that wasn't even officially a mandatory back then, to smake your "point".

  And how would this matter? As I have already explained in a previous post, Dorian takes the:

 Rear lat spread - His lats spread wider and he has smaller gkutes and bigger calves. Check.

 Back double biceps - Ronnie takes the biceps, but thhis muscle is barely visible from the back. His back is thicker and denser, and has comparable details. His lateral triceps head is bigger and shines in this pose, and his three delt heads are more evenly develped. Besides, Dorian has smaller glutes and biger calves. Check.

 Abs-and-thighs - Dorian has wider lats, beter taper and superior abs/serratus separations. Ronnie might take quads, but that's a stretch. Overrall, Dorian takes this mandatory.

 Side triceps - Thicker lateral triceps head, more etched serratus, comparable vastus lateralis and bigger calves. Check: Dorian takes it.

 Front lat spread - Dorian's lats spread wider and he has better taper. Check.

  They would tie:

 Side chest - Dorian's pectoralis are not as wide as Ronnie's fromt eh front, but they're extrelemy thick and striated. Ronnie might have slightly greater thickness, but that's a stretch. Regardless, Dorian has comparable vastus lateralis and better calves. It coul go either way.

 Dorian loses:

 Front double biceps - Ronnie has biger biceps and his small advantage in the anterior and medial triceps heads shines here. Ronnie takes it.

  So, it's funny that you'd mention a pose that wasn't even a mandatory in Dorian's era, considering that Dorian wins five, ties one and only loses one. ;)

  Adn what's your point about desnity? It's obvious that Dorian's muscles look harder overrall, in the same sense that Ronnie has overrall more striations. The bottom line is that both are parts of conditioning, anf the judges might choose one or the other as their prefernce. As you can see, Dorian's density definnitely impressed the judges...six times! Owned. ;) 8)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12295 on: November 06, 2006, 07:41:26 PM »
just b/c dorian looks smaller at the same weight as ronnie doesnt make him denser.... it just highlights his giant torso, enormous joints, and lack of speration...

  This is exactly my point: since density, as far as bodybuilding goes, is an entirely visual property, Ronnie cannot be bigger then Dorian if they weight the same just because Dorian looks denser Get it? Consider yourself owned. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12296 on: November 06, 2006, 07:45:51 PM »
It's actually blantantly obvious that Yates would win

you change sides more than Elton John.

those 99 shots seal the deal.

and the 99 prejudging video confirmed what we already knew:

out of 8 mandatories:

side tri
side chest
front db
back db
rear lat
front lat
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ab and thigh

yates takes the ab and thigh, and side tri.

He loses everything else.

don't get me wrong: he is close in many shots, but the extra detail and shape that Ronnie has takes it.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12297 on: November 06, 2006, 07:48:21 PM »
  This is exactly my point: since density, as far as bodybuilding goes, is an entirely visual property, Ronnie cannot be bigger then Dorian if they weight the same just because Dorian looks denser Get it? Consider yourself owned. ;)

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y does dorian "look" denser... cause suckymuscles says so?... when virtually every "expert" on the planet disagree's? nobodys "denser", "thicker" (in terms of muscle, not gigantic torso  ;)), harder, or more sperated the ronnie

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12298 on: November 06, 2006, 07:49:39 PM »
y does dorian "look" denser... cause suckymuscles says so?... when virtually every "expert" on the planet disagree's? nobodys "denser", "thicker" (in terms of muscle, not gigantic torso  ;)), harder, or more sperated the ronnie

sucky probably hasn't seen the pics yet 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12299 on: November 06, 2006, 07:51:27 PM »
sucky probably hasn't seen the pics yet 8)

those two pictures blow my mind... crazy.... will anyone be better then that?