Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[suckmymuscle]

dorian looked very good at the 93 prejudging and looked a deserving winner, although the lighting was so dark you could hardly even see Flex off to the right hand side..
the lighting in 99 was not as good, but not bad.

 Actually, I disagree with that. Since the background is dark, it obviously highlights Ronnie's separations...

ronnie 99 at the prejudging was, in my opinion, even better than dorian at the 93 show.

 A value-judgement is not a statement of fact...

Even in dorian's signature shots (eg the front lat spread for example) Ronnie had cuts everywhere, while dorian was smooth in the quads and chest.

  Are we looking at the same pics? Dorian's pecs are incredibly thick and striated. Ronnie might have some edge there, but this is immaterial. Ronnie's quads are bigger, granted, but Dorian's actually look denser and have as much separations. Besides, none of this matters much, since this pose highlights the lats, and Dorian's lats flare wider and he has better taper - because taper here is a function of the lats, and not of the shoulder width.

Ronnie's back double bi was better, as was his front double bi and side chest. Again, the side chest was another pose where Ronnie's superior detail gave him the edge.

 Dorian's back is thicker and just as separated as Ronnie's. Dorian has smaller glutes and bigger calves, thus winning the mandatory from a symmetry perspective. Dorian's superior latral triceps head is thicker and visible in this pose. Ronnie wins biceps, but most of the biceps mass is not visible from the back. Side chest is pushing it: Equivalent pectoralis, with perhaps a small advantage to Ronnie. But Dorian has equivalent vastus lateralis and better calves. They tie, at best.

Dorian took the side tri and ab and thigh.

 Obviously...

as good as he was, he only was better in 2 poses.

 No, Dorian wins five mandatories, loses one and ties one. He also wins the relaxed round in account of having greater all around muscularity and a flat stomach. His taper is worse than Ronnie's, but only from one angle.
thats how good ronnie was in 99.

these 99 pictures have not been lying folks.

  They are not lying that Ronnie would be defeated...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

y does dorian "look" denser... cause suckymuscles says so?... when virtually every "expert" on the planet disagree's? nobodys "denser", "thicker" (in terms of muscle, not gigantic torso  ), harder, or more sperated the ronnie

  Every expert and agrees that, when it comes to density&dryness, Dorian set the gold-standard which has never been even matched, less alone surpassed. Owned by me, once again. Although, I suspect, in this case it was kind of a self-ownage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

those two pictures blow my mind... crazy.... will anyone be better then that?

hard to say.

sucky and ND are still maintaining that dorian was better, but they are the only two left on this entire board who say so after having seen all this stuff.

I guess getbig has TWO village idiots

[suckmymuscle]

sucky probably hasn't seen the pics yet

  First of all, as I have eludcidated innumerable times, there are objective criteria that determines who wins a bodybuilding contes, and, as my analyses have demonstrated(read my previous four posts), Dorian would take it. Now, speaking of visual evidence, have you seen the pics of the 1993 Dorian? The densest bodybuilder ever at a bodyweight above 250 lbs, with an incredible midsection and - pay attention to this, Hulkster - no gut distension, and less disproportionalities. Game over. The Yates wins.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

I guess getbig has TWO village idiots

  And my bodybuilding 101 classroom has two class clown: Hulky&Pumpster.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[dorkeroo]

  And my bodybuilding 101 classroom has two class clown: Hulky&Pumpster.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Is there any way to come to a consensus as to where and when each man presented his best package of all time and then to compare them as directly as possible?

Forgive me if this has already been done, but there is no way in hell I am reading this entire thread. 

[Miss Karen]

 

[dorkeroo]

Arse 

[pobrecito]

Coleman would automatically lose due to the stomach distention.

Post one screencap from Yates routine where you see even a hint of distention. You won't find any.

Yates simply outclasses coleman. Take off your bias glasses and open your eyes to the IFBB judging criteria and assess both competitors using that. It then becomes painfully obvious that Yates would win.

[Miss Karen]

 

[nicorulez]

  Oh man, I'm sorry but you're dead wrong here. "Density", as far as bodybuilding goes, is a purely visual and not physical property. As I've already explaned to NeoSemem, you can't have "more" muscle in a given area by "squeezing" muscle into it. Sorry. Plutonium has greater physical density than Iron, in the sense that it's atomic configuration makes it heavier: one pound of Plutonium occupies a much smaller space than Iron. Get it?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Wrong buddy, we are talking muscle here.  Density of two comparable properties (muscles in this case) is indeed M/V.  Thus, I concur that Dorian is denser.  I just pointed out that Ronnie has fuller and larger muscle bellies.  Yate's muscles appear to be like iron while other bodybuilders appear to have muscles that are almost spongey in appearance.  Thus, the density issue.  BTW, density is not in the guidelines for IFBB judging.  ND point it out if I am mistaken.  Regardless, Dorian is denser appearing (nod to you Sucky) with exceptional conditioning while Coleman is larger (even you cannot deny this) with excellent conditioning.  Who would win, I have no clue.  I am not an IFBB judge.  ND is acting as asinine as Pumpster if he thinks Dorian is unbeatable.  The man has plenty of flaws.  However, his gifts definitely overwhelmed his deficits.  Ronnie in 1999 and definitely 2003 would match and beat Doz.  My opinion.  Sorry.  However, I am not arrogant enough to belittle the opposing viewpoint as Dorian was indeed great.  Maybe a little hubris would be welcome from both sides.

[nicorulez]

Coleman would automatically lose due to the stomach distention.

Post one screencap from Yates routine where you see even a hint of distention. You won't find any.

Yates simply outclasses coleman. Take off your bias glasses and open your eyes to the IFBB judging criteria and assess both competitors using that. It then becomes painfully obvious that Yates would win.

Pobrecito, I don't think it would be a walk in any direction.  Yate's may win because of conditioning, but his legs and hams are totally outclassed.  Even though he had very good arms and chest in 1993, Coleman outclassed him.  However, I agree about the gut.  That is why I maintain that Haney was so great.  250 pounds of grade A muscle on a 30-32 inch waist.  No brainer that he was great.  Dorian also had a smallish waist in 1992/1993 and that is why is physique is so appealing.  However, to automatically dismiss the thirty pound weight advantage of Coleman in 2003 is absurd.  ND is getting as jacked as Pumpster if he thinks it would be a slaughter.  I am actually disappointed in him.  He is looking at this with blinders lately.  Dorian was great with incredible gifts, but he had many flaws.  Same with Coleman.  Who would win, I guess you would have to address that with 9 or so IFBB judges.  Regardless, it would be close.  Pumpster, you are as clueless as they come.  You deny the greatness of Haney and Dorian.  That is plain wrong.  I am all down with having favs, but at least be somewhat objective. 

[nicorulez]

Also Sucky, while we are talking density.  Have you ever felt the muscles on a powerlifter who is about 165 pounds.  My cousin used to regularly bench over 300 pounds and his arms felt like iron.  Meanwhile, although I outweigh him by thirty pounds and am lean (definitely not ripped), my muscles do not have that quality.  Thus, I feel that genetically Yates has different muscle fiber composition than the average bodybuilder.  He trained very intensely with rapid sets at high weight.  He probably had more fast twitch fiber development than the bodybuilder who used high reps with moderate weight.  Fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers are very different.  Look at a sprinter (fast twitch) vs a runner (slow twitch); tell me who has denser muscles.  Thus, my point before.  Delta, I rarely get owned and did not even come close this time.  Sucky, you are smart as a whip and I respect you immensely.  However, I disagree about some points, and some points only.  Dorian was definitely great and had a quality I appreciate and respect.  Unfortunately, there are those on this board who treat him as if he were not even a local show champion vs being champion of the world.      I prefer the mass of Coleman of 2003 and I can definitely see your point about symmetry.  To be honest, I don't really care as he was freaky as hell.    However, I respect and understand your opposition and do not disagree with you.  I am not, as I said before, an iFBB judge.  I just prefer Ronnie 2003; he was the freak of all freaks.  Kind of like Ruhl now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Check the pictures I posted in this thread:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=62407.0

Thats not 1993 and ontop of Coleman having visable distention he has bitch-tits thats double jeapordy , factor in not being as dry , dense or balanced and he's already facing an up hill battle.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie never looked the great in this pose.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No where near as dry or complete

[NarcissisticDeity]

Another clear advantage for Yates

[NarcissisticDeity]

Density & Dryness

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie never looked the great in this pose.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Side triceps again

[NarcissisticDeity]

Complete balanced legs from top to bottom

[NarcissisticDeity]

In 2003?  No chance.  Remember, he had some 30 pounds on Dorian as well as more dominance due to his height.  There is no chance he would beat Dorian.  I can accept that Dorian could push him more than anyone though.

I agree there is no chance he would beat Dorian lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sick triceps

[NarcissisticDeity]

Best frontlatspread period.

[the shadow]

very nice pics ND...who cannot agree with you your pics..the coleman nuthuggers are too darn stupid..yates wins easily...