Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

yates 93 and ronnie 96 closeups

[Hulkster]

shawn really should have won in 96. He was unreal.

[peteK]

comment on this:

Ok. I'll comment on it...... Shawn Ray looks great

[Hulkster]

Ok. I'll comment on it...... Shawn Ray looks great

dorian should thank his lucky stars he was ever given the win over Ray in 94 and 96.

Hell, even in 95 shawn was magnificent.

[pobrecito]

Shawn's back was never good enough to be Mr. Olympia. From the front, yes, he was OUTSTANDING....I think he was amazing on BFTO 96 (have you seen it?)....he poses from the front first ...but he just couldn't match it from the back. His rear lat was especially poor.

[pumpster]

Shawn's back was never good enough to be Mr. Olympia. From the front, yes, he was OUTSTANDING....I think he was amazing on BFTO 96 (have you seen it?)....he poses from the front first ...but he just couldn't match it from the back. His rear lat was especially poor.

In that case, you must a lot to say about Yates' bad skin, the boils, greazy complexion and barrel torso. 

[pumpster]

They look like twins!

[Hulkster]

Shawn's back was never good enough to be Mr. Olympia. From the front, yes, he was OUTSTANDING....I think he was amazing on BFTO 96 (have you seen it?)....he poses from the front first ...but he just couldn't match it from the back. His rear lat was especially poor.

considering that neither shawn nor dorian had a dramatic shoulder to waist taper, I would say that is not enough to deny him the crown given his other incredible strengths:

note the lat spread: tapers very similar:

[Hulkster]

1994 shots. Shawn is scrunching up his back here, but still it looks good:

[pobrecito]

Shawn's back looks pathetic there...delts way too small...watery lower back...no width.

Come on...from the front, yes, Shawn was awesome, but from the back he was hardly special.

[peteK]

Shawn's back was never good enough to be Mr. Olympia. From the front, yes, he was OUTSTANDING....I think he was amazing on BFTO 96 (have you seen it?)....he poses from the front first ...but he just couldn't match it from the back. His rear lat was especially poor.

Perhaps his back never was good enough, I'm not a judge. However, it could be argued that considering his bone structure his lats were as wide as they could possibly get. He was always very crisp and detailed, in other words, his back was completely developped. If things like V taper and X shape and stuff are no considerations for a judge then why penelize Shawn Ray over a back that is narrow only because of his bone structure. If you look at things such as balance, muscle flow, conditioning and muscularity then I really don't think there was anyting wrong with his back. Looking at the pictures I think it would not have been a bad thing if he won in 1994. I also think that Shawn being a shorter man was at a disadvantage just as Momo Benaza-something was.

On a different note. Why is so much emphasis placed on back? I mean whoever has the best back wins these days, why?

[Hulkster]

Shawn's back looks pathetic there...delts way too small...watery lower back...no width.

Come on...from the front, yes, Shawn was awesome, but from the back he was hardly special.

it looked good enough to win in 1994:

[pobrecito]

it looked good enough to win in 1994:

Maybe so Hulkster.

However, in regards to this entire thead, and my position, how do we have any basis to argue with the judges? I'm sure we could always find someone that thinks every Olympia is controversial. 1994, 97, 2001, 2002, 2006...they are all "controversial"...but one thing was constant in all those...the biggest guy with the best back won.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, prior to these screencaps and videos, there was very little 99 stuff on line.

there was a few scattered pics, and the youtube vid of Ronnie posing.

now we have fantastic screen caps and the whole prejudging as well, with great videos of Ronnie hitting the mandatories beside chris and flex.

It doesn't matter you're beating your chest in some odd new revelation and its all for not !! the 99 video has been posted dozens of times its old news and key word you have screencaps of the video , the video we've seen so many times

Ronnie looks great in 1999 but jesus christ calm down , if anything the screencaps of Yates do more damnage because besides the scans and a few clips from the best of Dorian of 93 there wasn't much to show just how great he was and I always said watch the 93 Olympia on tape and you'll gain a new respect for Yates

The difference between you and I is , I can watch the 1999 video and say " wow Ronnie looks great its such a shame he doesn't look that great anymore " and you can watch the 1993 Olympia and still go on about how poor Yates is and how he sucks , you're still stuck on stupid , Yates like it was said in 1993 was so much better than he needed to be to win and you just continue down your path of stupidity , the funny part is I already won this debate because I never stooped to your absurd level of denile , bashing and bias .

[pumpster]

On a different note. Why is so much emphasis placed on back? I mean whoever has the best back wins these days, why?

If you had arms like this, you'd focus on back shots too.

[pobrecito]

ND, I believe Hulkster has actually changed his opinion on 93 Dorian.

In 93 and 95 Dorian was the deserving winner hands down, even Shawn Ray agrees with this per his speech in BFTO 96.

[NarcissisticDeity]

it looked good enough to win in 1994:

No he didn't he looked good certainly but he had ONE MAJOR flaw he's two damn small , the judging criteria plainly states in every single mandatory pose that they look for muscular bulk and thickness , while Shawn can match Yates in other criteria thats a major obsticle he's down 60lbs of size , in 1994 he was very lucky to place ahead of Levrone , in general Shawn was a very lucky bodybuilder considering how small he was , he did very well for a guy his size , he was simply in the wrong era.

[pobrecito]

No he didn't he looked good certainly but he had ONE MAJOR flaw he's two damn small , the judging criteria plainly states in every single mandatory pose that they look for muscular bulk and thickness , while Shawn can match Yates in other criteria thats a major obsticle he's down 60lbs of size , in 1994 he was very lucky to place ahead of Levrone , in general Shawn was a very lucky bodybuilder considering how small he was , he did very well for a guy his size , he was simply in the wrong era.

Well stated, that puts to rest any controvery of Shawn beating Dorian. This is bodybuilding not bodyshaping

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, I believe Hulkster has actually changed his opinion on 93 Dorian.

In 93 and 95 Dorian was the deserving winner hands down, even Shawn Ray agrees with this per his speech in BFTO 96.

Shawn Ray agree he got the place he deserved in 1994 as well !

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

[pumpster]

In 93 and 95 Dorian was the deserving

It was "only" the other 3-4 years where he would've been run over in a fair contest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "

[pobrecito]

Notice, 0 distention in that shot purely relaxed

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia

" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "

" Best Chest - Yates and Levrone-torn pec and all. "

" Best Legs - Yates from top to bottom "

" Best Back - Yates. He has too much back to be compared. "

[pobrecito]

Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia

" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "

" Best Chest - Yates and Levrone-torn pec and all. "

" Best Legs - Yates from top to bottom "

" Best Back - Yates. He has too much back to be compared. "

So these are the direct words of the person who actually judged Yates. I don't see a word about Shawn Ray there

[pumpster]

Forget the quotes, look at the pics.

Or if you want to quote:

S. Oliva: "Dorian Yates: the belly of a cow & no arms". Why does he think this and doesn't say same about Coleman? 

Are those great tris? Or does he have just one shot, side-tri where he pushes the arm against his side to increase the impression of size?