Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

You're just pissed off because you thought Ronnie was unbeatable and his scores contradict that and Dorians don't

exactly. ronnie's score were more accurate than Dorian's.

Ronnie's scores reflected the fact that he did have flaws and some years did show up out of shape.

Dorian showed up torn to shit, in poor condition some years and you can't even tell one bit from the score sheets.

that is bad judging,  not good judging.

[Hulkster]

this is where I say you have nothing to work with because he dominated bodybuilding against some of the best competition ever seen including beating Ronnie nine times.

and yet he got owned constantly, sometimes by guys barely able to make the top 10

 

great scoring indeed

[pobrecito]

no, I'm the one with the proof.

you are the one who needs to explain why the proof is not reflected in the score sheets.

You have 0 proof. Everyone who was at the shows (the judges, and spectators) all said it was Dorian's win, and easily at that. How do you explain the fact that Dorian always got the loudest cheers? If the crowd thought Dorian should have lost they would have booed him, which they never did (but note, the crowd DID boo Ronnie in 2002).

The only ones bitching are you and Shawn Ray.

ND summed it up perfectly. You don't like Dorian's phsyique so you try your best to put him down.

[pobrecito]

that is bad judging,  not good judging.

Again, showing your pure ignorance.

The same judges that judged Dorian are the same ones that judged Ronnie (and gave him the loss in 2006). If they gave him the loss in 2006, why didnt they give Dorian the loss in 94 or 97 (where you claim he was overrated )

[Hulkster]

You have 0 proof. Everyone who was at the shows (the judges, and spectators) all said it was Dorian's win, and easily at that. How do you explain the fact that Dorian always got the loudest cheers? If the crowd thought Dorian should have lost they would have booed him, which they never did (but note, the crowd DID boo Ronnie in 2002).

The only ones bitching are you and Shawn Ray.

ND summed it up perfectly. You don't like Dorian's phsyique so you try your best to put him down.

oh I see. so now crowd opinion is all important.

for god's sakes if that were true than we should award the Mr. O. to Mike Matarazzo

You guys can't explain the contradiction in pics/vids with the scoring, so you are now grabbing at anything, including crowd noise, to try and make your assessments more strong

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly. ronnie's score were more accurate than Dorian's.

Ronnie's scores reflected the fact that he did have flaws and some years did show up out of shape.

Dorian showed up torn to shit, in poor condition some years and you can't even tell one bit from the score sheets.

that is bad judging,  not good judging.

Have you ever noticed that Ronnie almost gets beat when his conditioning is off? or he's a little to light? you ever notice these weren't Dorian's problems when he was off? Dorian's problem was torn muscles NOT conditioning or size , why did Gunther beat Ronnie? because he was bigger and had better conditioning , why did Jay beat Ronnie 2001 at the prejudging ? conditioning , why did Jay beat Ronnie 2006 Olympia? ontop of having torn muscles his conditioning was off , why did Flex lose to Ronnie 98/99? conditioning .  you can't fault the judges these are the same judges you scored Ronnie in both good and bad times , you have to remember Dorian was a winner right out of the gate , Ronnie wasn't , the judges always saw his above his peers even when he was light , Dorian lost to Momo why? because Momo had an edge in relative size , Dorian lost when he deserved to lose , if Shawn , Nasser or Levrone were good enough to beat Dorian they would have.

[pumpster]

Exactly and he received the same kind of crowd support/applause at the 97 Olympia. Even when he wasn't at his best he was still a clear winner and everyone knew it.

Extremely weak; who doesn't know that crowd support for the established guy's always high, especially amongst sycophants like rocketdweeb?

[pobrecito]

oh I see. so now crowd opinion is all important.

for god's sakes if that were true than we should award the Mr. O. to Mike Matarazzo

You guys can't explain the contradiction in pics/vids with the scoring, so you are now grabbing at anything, including crowd noise, to try and make your assessments more strong

No, again idiotic assessment of my post. The crowd is only another source to verify the judges scoring. If the crowd thought Dorian should have lost rightfully to Shawn Ray they would have voiced their opinion as they did in 2002 when they walked out and booed Ronnie.

So we have people who actually attended the event verifying the judges scoring, and then we have you sitting behind your computer screen with your spectacles on e-judging the show on a few pictures.

How do you explain the fact that fathead clearly said Dorian was the winner in 97? Is he biased too? Are the same judges who judged ronnie, biased too?

[Hulkster]

If they gave him the loss in 2006, why didnt they give Dorian the loss in 94 or 97 (where you claim he was overrated )

good question. It has been asked before. In fact, there is a thread right now asking why they gave ronnie the loss in 2006 but not in 2001.

you tell me.

personally, I think the times of dynasties are over in the IFBB - they do nothing but loose fan interest and cause ticket sales to slump..

Dorian got owned from almost every angle in 1994, and yet still was probably given perfect scores.

as the folks over on bodybuilding dungeon have said, "what a sham":

[Hulkster]

you ever notice these weren't Dorian's problems when he was off?

no, these weren't his problems at all

everytime you try and make dorian look good even when he is off, you look like an idiot.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and yet he got owned constantly, sometimes by guys barely able to make the top 10

 

great scoring indeed

Again a poor attempt to prove your point by setting up strawmen and knocking them down , Wow Dorian doesn't look as good as these two in the standing relaxed round from the front the contest was clearly fixed the judges were clearly wrong , Hulkster was smart enough to see past Joe Weider's crafty plot to push a blocky-white guy on the masses , you're so pathetic with these attempts , Dorian easily beats his contemporaries in most of the mandatory poses he meets the criteria better than the others , while Dorian doesn't look as good as the others standing relaxed from the front , he looks fantastic in the 1/4 turns and unstopable in the standing relaxed from behind , Dorian even pre-tear didn't look as great so others in the front double biceps , but he sured owned the front & rear latspreads , the side chest and triceps shot , the abdominal and thigh and the back double biceps , you constantly set of stawmen to prove your point and they point you end up proving is how much you hate Dorian's physique and how little you really know about how bodybuilding is judged

I'm not a huge fan of Dorian's physique its not something I would want to emulate however that doesn't mean I can look past my own personal preferences and comprehend why and how he easily beat everyone , keep on trucking kid because as the thread progresses your bias shines more & more.

[pobrecito]

good question. It has been asked before. In fact, there is a thread right now asking why they gave ronnie the loss in 2006 but not in 2001.

you tell me.

personally, I think the times of dynasties are over in the IFBB - they do nothing but loose fan interest and cause ticket sales to slump..

Dorian got owned from almost every angle in 1994, and yet still was probably given perfect scores.

as the folks over on bodybuilding dungeon have said, "what a sham":

See this is the difference between me and you. Since we will never know why the judges did what they did I am not going to sit here and argue their decision, it is pointless. If they gave him the win, that is what I go by.

And then I watched the 94 routine on YouTube and Dorian looked outstanding. Combine that with the judges scoring, and the crowd reaction and even if I did want to detest the results, there is really no footing for me to stand on.

[Hulkster]

I'm not a huge fan of Dorian's physique

after reading this thread ND, no one on this board will ever ever believe that.

[Bast000]

ronnie and dorian both suck.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, these weren't his problems at all

everytime you try and make dorian look good even when he is off, you look like an idiot.

His conditioning is NOT Off in 1994 don't mistake his runny tan for poor conditioning because it was on-point in 1994

[Hulkster]

And then I watched the 94 routine on YouTube and Dorian looked outstanding. Combine that with the judges scoring, and the crowd reaction and even if I did want to detest the results, there is really no footing for me to stand on.

how sad that you have become such a follower.

use your own mind. Do not blindly follow the masses when there is evidence (hell, lots of it - have you seen how good shawns 94 routine is on youtube?) to the contrary.

[pobrecito]

Hulkster, at their worsts, you could find horrible shots of both Ronnie and Dorian.

But at their bests, no one really comes close. Post pictures of Shawn Ray that can match these.

[pobrecito]

how sad that you have become such a follower.

use your own mind. Do not blindly follow the masses when there is evidence (hell, lots of it - have you seen how good shawns 94 routine is on youtube?) to the contrary.

sorry, Shawn's Physique does nothing for me. He carries no mass, plus he is about 5'6".

I did use my own decision, and after watching Dorian's 94 routine, it became clear to me why he was the winner. Just look at his back standing relaxed at about the 1:40 mark. Fucking amazing.

[NarcissisticDeity]

after reading this thread ND, no one on this board will ever ever believe that.

You know what since the begining of this thread I have gained a new respect for his physique no doubt about it , its called being objective and not letting my personal preferences dictate my commonsense , I still think Flex Wheeler at his best would beat Dorian at his , but I fully understand why Yates dominated the way he did    and unlike you I'm more realistic I can say Ronnie at his best would give Dorian a run for his money while you think its mortal sin for Dorian to be even mentioned in the same sentence as Ronnie  give me a break , Ronnie respects Dorian a LOT its just a shame his ' fans ' can't do the same.

[Hulkster]

His conditioning is NOT Off in 1994 don't mistake his runny tan for poor conditioning because it was on-point in 1994

what total bullshit. Every one can tell you that dorian's conditioning was way off in 94 as compared to his 93 standard.

look at his lower back - in 93 it was ripped.  In 94, it had filled in immensely.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, at their worsts, you could find horrible shots of both Ronnie and Dorian.

But at their bests, no one really comes close. Post pictures of Shawn Ray that can match these.

no problem: you underestimate how good shawn really was.

[Hulkster]

other than his lats, shawn was near perfect.

Shawn lost out to Ronnie and dorian mainly because he was narrow in comparison.

but he was damn good in 94. That was the year that he should have won the O.

[Hulkster]

in some shots, shawn looks better than either ronnie or dorian.

in others, not so.

but in 94 at least, he looked better than dorian in many many poses, the only wons he lost out on were the back lat and side tri.

dorian's front lat spread was a mess in 94 -smooth and ugly everywhere.

[pumpster]

Again a poor attempt to prove your point by setting up strawmen and knocking them down , Wow Dorian doesn't look as good as these two in the standing relaxed round from the front the contest was clearly fixed the judges were clearly wrong

All of this blatter's completely neutralized with the realization that Yates' arms rival Weider's here.

[Hulkster]

Weider's arms look about the same size as Yates.

LOL

Ben must have been hitting the gym extra hard.

LOL

it is true - even though these guys fail to recognize it, no matter who dorian stands beside, his arms always are made to look small.