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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13600 on: November 18, 2006, 05:51:10 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13601 on: November 18, 2006, 05:51:22 PM »
King Hulkster, Lord Pumpster & Sir NeoSeminole can't handle the truth.

easy there bitch. If the "truth" is a bunch of quotes from random people, then I can most definately handle Peter McGough saying Ronnie has the best back ever.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13602 on: November 18, 2006, 05:54:10 PM »
Coleman was clearly beatable in 2002.



He lost both the posing rounds that year .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13603 on: November 18, 2006, 06:00:16 PM »
Looks like a true champion. ;D


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13604 on: November 18, 2006, 06:05:07 PM »
Coleman at his winning worst.



Yates at his winning worst.



Pwned.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13605 on: November 18, 2006, 06:18:16 PM »




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13606 on: November 18, 2006, 06:21:34 PM »




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13607 on: November 18, 2006, 06:23:25 PM »
Ironman Magazine Jan 1994

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

And yet according to Hulkster Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex lol how much weight does ANY of his assessments carry? none.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13608 on: November 18, 2006, 06:24:19 PM »




Pwned again.



I'll say so lol man his gut is sticking out and his triceps suck !~!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13609 on: November 18, 2006, 06:32:36 PM »
good question. It has been asked before. In fact, there is a thread right now asking why they gave ronnie the loss in 2006 but not in 2001.

  The explanation for this is exceedingly simple: in 2006, Ronnie looked much worse than in 2001. Ronnie's main problem in 2001 was muscularity. At 245 lbs, he was take to the edge by a very conditioned Cutler. Now, this wouldn't be a problem is Ronnie had superb conditioning, but the bottom line is that he didn't. Add it all up, and Ronnie defeated Cutler because they had an equivalent number of symmetrical flaws, but Ronnie still had enough muscle mass in key areas, like quads and back, to defeat Cutler. Jay might have more mass that year, but the judges decided that Ronnie's combination of size with what they perceived as better separations made them give the nod to Ronnie.

  Now, in 2006, Ronnie had a distended gut, was soft and holding water, lacked a lat and his overwhelming quad mass was gone - and Cutler's were also more cut. Ronnie still had his advantage in taper from the front, but Jay compensated by having better abs. From the sides, Jay had the flatter stomach. Now, what killed Coleman was the width and thickness of Cutler's back and Ronnie's lose of quad supremacy. Last year, Jay had finally matched Ronnie for lat width, but still lacked Ronnie's thickness. This year, he surpassed him in width and matched him for thickness. To summarize, Ronnie had all the weaknesses he had in 2001, but with none of the strenghs, so Cutler took him out

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personally, I think the times of dynasties are over in the IFBB - they do nothing but loose fan interest and cause ticket sales to slump..

  It can go either way: a dynasty can make it more interesting, because it creates a mystical aura of invincibility and godliness about the standard-bearer, or it can result in people losing interest. Regardless, I don't think it's political: there has been dynatical Mr.Olympias, but also those who only won it once.

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Dorian got owned from almost every angle in 1994, and yet still was probably given perfect scores.

  Why did he get owned? He was 262 lbs, adn hard as granite. His stomach was flat. His conditioning was off from the previous year, but that's not saying much, since the 1994 Shawn would also been considered "off" when compared to the 1993 Dorian. So it's irrelevant. Regardless, you may not like his structure and he definitely has bad taper in the relaxed round from the front. But the fact is that he was the most muscular&symmetrical bodybuilder at that contest from most angles and while contracting different muscles, and while he wasn't as dry as in the previous year, he was still dryer than everyone else. His victory makes perfect sense from a bodybuilding judging criteria. ;)

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as the folks over on bodybuilding dungeon have said, "what a sham":

  No, the shame is for a bodybuilder with a an alien queesn inside his abdomen, large un-manly glutes, terrible abs to win a Mr.Olympia. I'm not even bringing up calves. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13610 on: November 18, 2006, 06:35:56 PM »
no, these weren't his problems at all ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

everytime you try and make dorian look good even when he is off, you look like an idiot.


  Well, let's see. What do I see when I look at this pic? I see that Dorian's lats dwarves that of his competitors, that his quads are bigger and that he's drier and harder than everybody else. His only minus is his taper, and this is the only angle where his taper is inferior to Ronnie. Let them turn to the sides, and Dorian kills your boy; get the tape measurer, and Dorian's overrall waist girth is actually smaller than Ronnie's. Game over. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13611 on: November 18, 2006, 06:43:47 PM »
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No, the shame is for a bodybuilder with a an alien queesn inside his abdomen, large un-manly glutes, terrible abs to win a Mr.Olympia.

SUCKY with a great job disparaging his hero (again).. ::)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13612 on: November 18, 2006, 06:45:24 PM »
no problem: you underestimate how good shawn really was.


  Shawn was great, but limited. He understood that he didn't have the skeletal frame to compete in the mass department with Dorian, Nasser, Levrone, etc, so he made the case that "symmetry" is the conditione sine qua non for winning a bodybuilding contest. He's partially correct: symmetry, together with muscularity, is the most important factor in evaluating a physique.

  The problem with Shawn was that his critique of Dorian's physique and his assessment of his own symmetrical standard was incorrect: Dorian's frame has structural flaws, but Dorian was the most symmetrically perfect bodybuilder above 250 lbs to ever step onstage. Furthermore, Shawn failed to acknowledge that his muscular proportions were actually inferior to Dorian's, and that he had several structural flaws as well. For instance, Shawn has a long waist and short thighs. This is a grave structural liability, at least as grave as having wide hips, like Dorian has. So Shawn has no advantage over Dorian in structure - except that Dorian's structure allows him to pile on far more mass -, and his muscular proportions are actually inferior. Put that all together with the fact that Dorian had 55 lbs of lean muscle more than Shawn, and it becomes apparent why Dorian came out the winner. Sure, Shawn does have soem advantage in separations and strictions on some bodyparts, but the bottom line is that it's simply not enough. Stop saying that Shawn should have defeated Yates, because it makes you sound silly. ::) ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13613 on: November 18, 2006, 06:48:12 PM »
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yeah, no shit dumbass. I wasn't talking about that. Rocketfag made a comment that isn't true.
Rocketdweeb's not to be taken seriously. Every comment's simply another scream for attention. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13614 on: November 18, 2006, 06:52:22 PM »
ND just likes to quote people when it suits him. Here's a quote from Peter McGough in the latest Flex magazine. This coming from a guy who has seen both Dorian and Ronnie compete in person.
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness" - in reference to 06 Ronnie.

  "Best" does not mean bigger. So how exactly is this relevant to proving your previous assertion that Ronnie's lats were bigger than Dorian's in 1999. They were certainly bigger in 2003, but that's not what you claimed previously! ;) Besides, this is just an opinion, and judges evaluate physiques on the criterias of muscularity&symmetry and the bottom line is that Ronnie's back, circa 1999, was not as muscular as Dorian's in 1995.

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let's see, the Mr. Olympia has traditionally been awarded to the guy with the best back onstage for the last 23 yrs. Now add better chest, arms, delts, quads and hamstrings, and it's easy to see why Ronnie would win.

  There are two things wrong with your claims here. First, "best" is matter of opinion and different judges have different opinions. Secondly, who said Ronnie has better "arms" - I have already explained this one to you -, chest and delts? Sure about the quads, but his huge hams and glutes only makes his claves look smaller and ruins his symmetry from the back. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13615 on: November 18, 2006, 06:52:51 PM »
  Shawn was great, but limited. He understood that he didn't have the skeletal frame to compete in the mass department with Dorian, Nasser, Levrone, etc, so he made the case that "symmetry" is the conditione sine qua non for winning a bodybuilding contest. He's partially correct: symmetry, together with muscularity, is the most important factor in evaluating a physique.

  The problem with Shawn was that his critique of Dorian's physique and his assessment of his own symmetrical standard was incorrect: Dorian's frame has structural flaws, but Dorian was the most symmetrically perfect bodybuilder above 250 lbs to ever step onstage. Furthermore, Shawn failed to acknowledge that his muscular proportions were actually inferior to Dorian's, and that he had several structural flaws as well. For instance, Shawn has a long waist and short thighs. This is a grave structural liability, at least as grave as having wide hips, like Dorian has. So Shawn has no advantage over Dorian in structure - except that Dorian's structure allows him to pile on far more mass -, and his muscular proportions are actually inferior. Put that all together with the fact that Dorian had 55 lbs of lean muscle more than Shawn, and it becomes apparent why Dorian came out the winner. Sure, Shawn does have soem advantage in separations and strictions on some bodyparts, but the bottom line is that it's simply not enough. Stop saying that Shawn should have defeated Yates, because it makes you sound silly. ::) ;)

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Great post ! right to the point.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13616 on: November 18, 2006, 06:55:16 PM »
SUCKY with a great job disparaging his hero (again).. ::)


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  No, that's your boy in 2003/4! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13617 on: November 18, 2006, 07:00:46 PM »
"Best" does not mean bigger. So how exactly is this relevant to proving your previous assertion that Ronnie's lats were bigger than Dorian's in 1999. They were certainly bigger in 2003, but that's not what you claimed previously! ;) Besides, this is just an opinion, and judges evaluate physiques on the criterias of muscularity&symmetry and the bottom line is that Ronnie's back, circa 1999, was not as muscular as Dorian's in 1995.

I was quoting Peter McGough. I never said Ronnie's lats were bigger in 99. So I don't know what the hell you are rambling about.

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There are two things wrong with your claims here. First, "best" is matter of opinion and different judges have different opinions. Secondly, who said Ronnie has better "arms" - I have already explained this one to you -, chest and delts? Sure about the quads, but his huge hams and glutes only makes his claves look smaller and ruins his symmetry from the back.

I agree that "best" is a matter of opinion. However, if we establish a set of judging criteria such as size, shape, separation and detail, we see that Ronnie has better parts.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13618 on: November 18, 2006, 07:04:45 PM »
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No, that's your boy in 2003/4!

Not very compelling examples by SUCKY, as usual doesn't make the case!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13619 on: November 18, 2006, 07:05:40 PM »
not only that but notice the dates of the quotes. They were all before the 2003 Mr. Olympia, which I feel is when Ronnie reached his peak.

  Ronnie's best year? ::) Let's see. All the pics you've posted shows Ronnie conviniently either from the front or the back...hiding the gut distension. I'm sorry to break it to you, sport, but at an unbiased show, Ronnie's gut would make him lose the symmtry round flat out, and there goes 50% of the judging! ;) Why? NBecause the midsection is the focal point of the body and a distended gut is visible from the front as well as side.

  Not only that, it ruins the abs-and-thighs, the side triceps and the side chest. It is probably a liability in the front lat spread as well. So here we have a situation where Ronnie wins in overrall muscularity, but loses in overrall symmetry. Check. He loses convingly the side triceps, abs-and-thigh, front lat spread and back double biceps - the biceps are barely visible and Dorian is vastly symmetrically superior with an almost equivalent back. Give Ronnie the back lat spread because his lats spread a little wider and the front double biceps. What's left? Conditioning. And guess what? Dorian wins that too! All things considered, at an unbiased contest, Dorian would most likely defeat the 2003 Coleman. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13620 on: November 18, 2006, 07:30:12 PM »
 ??? ::) ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13621 on: November 18, 2006, 07:59:27 PM »
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I love quotes lol because they back up my claims to a T


too bad nothing else does...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13622 on: November 18, 2006, 08:03:17 PM »
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And yet according to Hulkster Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex lol how much weight does ANY of his assessments carry? none.

if you paid attention you would see that I have, like Pubic has done in the past, changed my opinion in light of the 93 prejudging clips.

but as far as post tear dorian, the claim about his undeserving perfect scores still stands:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13623 on: November 18, 2006, 08:12:25 PM »
Coleman at his winning worst.



Yates at his winning worst.



Pwned.
why the fuck is Ronnie's stomach convex when hitting an ab shot ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #13624 on: November 18, 2006, 08:14:33 PM »
this thread is uber-gay