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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15375 on: November 30, 2006, 08:14:15 PM »
It doesen't matter, because even a single inch is visible to the eyes when it comes to width. How many inches did Ronnie have over Cutler in lat width at the 2001 Olympia? One inch to each side? And the bottom line is that it was visible and gave Ronnie an edge. The fact that Dorian's taper from the back was still better than Ronnie's despite his obviously thikcer waist goes to show that the difference in width is significant. Imagine that by adding 10 lbs of muscle to the lats, 5 to each, means an increase of 2 inches in lat width to the sides. Well, that would be clearly very easy for the eyes to see, and there's no reason toa ssume that Dorian didn't have 10 lbs more of lat mass than Ronnie, considering that Ronnie's quads were clearly bigger and yet they weighted the same.

yes, it does matter. The only reason you are now saying it's not important is b/c you are looking for any reason to argue with me.

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First of all, I think that this claim of yours is bullshit. So the lats can only grow 4 inches to each side, huh? Well, I've seen pics of Dorian from before he starter training and it seems that he added six or seven inches to each side. Regardless, even if you're correct, you are wrong about the difference being neglegible: even one inch can be significant. And who said that bodyweight has anything to do with it? Mass is not distributed symmetrically, even if the muscles are rleatively proportional in relation to each other. Look at Nasser, who outweighed Dorian by 30 lbs at the 1996 Olympia, and yet didn't have even close to his lat width. Ronnie's back in 1999 is clearly closer to Dorian's than Nasser's, but I think that, considering Dorian's taper with a thicker waist, it is reasonable to assume Dorian's lats were wider.

If Dorian added 7 inches per side, then he would be 14 inches wider. This is physically impossible. Take out a ruler and see how much a foot is. You're saying that Dorian looks like he added 2 more inches than this. Furthermore, Nasser was wider than Dorian you dipshit. I'm not sure why you say he "didn't even come close to his lat width."



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The thing is: four inches to each side is a gigantic increase in width. Get a ruler and, measure 4 inches with your fingers and then put this to the sides of each lats. That's...wow...eight inches increase in total back width: almost the difference between a Mr.Olympia and someone who never lifted weights.

wow, ladies and gentleman, Sucky can add 4 plus 4!!! ::)

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Ok, I wasn't obsessed with precision when I wrote that quote. The specific article I mentioned said that Dorian's arms were 52 cm; but that is a single source where I saw that number using the metric system. I have seen tons of times Dorian's arms being refered to as posessing 21". Well, let's see. 21" is equivalent to 53.34 centimeters. That's slightly over one centimeter from what I claimed. I just don't see how this is even relevant. Regardless, talking about a precise assesment, I think Ronnie's arms were much closer to being 2" bigger than Dorian's instead of three.

excuses excuses. You said one thing, and now you're changing your story to avoid further embarrassment. Just admit that you are wrong.

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Actually, I have been proven wrong about this. Delta send me the scanned article from FLEX, reviewing the 2003 Olympia, and Ronnie's arms are in quote as tapering at 23". Others told me that Ronnie's arms were 24" and I believed them, because his arms were truly huge. Anyway, let's do the math again: Dorian's arms were much closer to 21" than to 20". So: 23" - 21" = 2". Where is my math wrong, kid Anyway, this is all irrlevant, because Ronnie's advantage in overrall arm size is only visible in the front double biceps. From all other angles, Dorian's arms actually stack very well agains Ronnie's. For instance, when standing relaxed, Dorian is helped by his phenomenal lateral triceps head and more proportionally developed three deltoid heads.

Dorian's arms were closer to 20" than 21". Let's just say his arms were 20.5" for argument's sake. 23 - 20.5 = 2.5 which is greater than 2. Also, the only pose Dorian's arms could match Ronnie's in was the side triceps. Ronnie's arms destroyed Dorian's in the:

front double biceps
rear double biceps
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You're right that I'm the only one who could own myself. But you? Kid...you have been owned by me more times than a port tart of Fleet Day.

you have yet to own me kid. In fact, all you have accomplished is making yourself look stupid. You claimed that you never said Dorian's arms were 52 cm. I posted the exact quote where you did. You asked me where I got Dorian's arm measurement of 20.47" when all I did was convert the number you gave me from cm to inches. You also threatened to call me a bitch if I didn't respond to your post, which I did the same day. However, you have yet to address my response to your post (over 3 days ago) in the religious board. I guess that officially makes you my bitch now. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15376 on: November 30, 2006, 08:19:08 PM »
  Yes, but Ronnie only had such advantage in overrall arm size in 2003. In 1999, his advantage was clser to half an inch or one inch. Regardless, Ronnie's advantage in overrall arm size is not only very small, but it is only visible from the front while flexing the arms - because that's when Ronnie's bigger biceps and very slightly bigger inner and medial triceps heads are visible. ;)

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Half an inch? This from the "grad student of physiology" AKA "Mr. resistence"....hahahahaahahahahahhaha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15377 on: November 30, 2006, 08:20:18 PM »

If Dorian added 7 inches per side, then he would be 14 inches wider. This is physically impossible. Take out a ruler and see how much a foot is. You're saying that Dorian looks like he added 2 more inches than this. Furthermore, Nasser was wider than Dorian you dipshit. I'm not sure why you say he "didn't even come close to his lat width."




I've said repeatedly that even from the back Nasser's owning Yates there; huge advantage in delts and arms. The front was also in Nasser's favor.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15378 on: November 30, 2006, 08:22:54 PM »
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Ronnie's arms look significantly larger (and don't forget, in the world of arm measurements, a 2 inch differenced is huge) than dorians even in 1993.



Apparently this is a major challenge to figure out, to some here.  ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15379 on: November 30, 2006, 09:04:08 PM »
and yes, I think ronnie's arms would certainly appear larger in even the side tri:

look at the size of Ronnie's biceps in the pose. That would add some girth over dorian right there:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15380 on: November 30, 2006, 09:06:13 PM »
I can't believe we have to debate the bloody obvious:

that Ronnie's arms would appear noticably larger than Dorian's...

 ::)

Ronnie's arms were massive, even standing next to other pros:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15381 on: November 30, 2006, 09:10:32 PM »
Ronnie 99 vs. dorian 93 arm size.

half an inch my white ass:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15382 on: November 30, 2006, 09:11:32 PM »
as we can see, ronnie's arms look incredibly massive.

Dorian's look like Joe and Ben could give him a run for his money... :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15383 on: November 30, 2006, 09:14:27 PM »
again: no contest. Ronnie's arms noticably larger,

not that it really matters, its just to prove sucky wrong as usual 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15384 on: November 30, 2006, 10:48:31 PM »
Ronnie 99 vs. dorian 93 arm size.

half an inch my white ass:




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15385 on: December 01, 2006, 12:11:09 AM »
yes, it does matter.

  Like I said before, I'm not sure if the lats can only grow 3 or 4 inches to each side. Secondly, even if true, that would still be a massive difference in size. Your argument is stupid for a simple reason: bodybuilders of similar weights are called out for comparisons and the rear lat spread is involved. If the difference in lat width between bodybuilders of similar weights were insignificant, then there would be no point in comparing them. Look at the 1995 Olympia, and Dorian's lats were clearly wider than Nasser's, even the latter was heavier. This completely debunks your claim that bodyweight is somehow relevant to back development.

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The only reason you are now saying it's not important is b/c you are looking for any reason to argue with me.

  Not at all. The reason why I'm saying it's not important is because it's true.

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If Dorian added 7 inches per side, then he would be 14 inches wider. This is physically impossible.

  Prove it. Regardless, I never claimed he did. I said that "it seems like he added six or seven inches to his lats." Like I've said to you before many times, visual assessments are far from accurate, exactly the reason why this could only possibly be solved by getting a tape and measuring their lat widths. At least, my theory is more plausible than yours.

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Take out a ruler and see how much a foot is. You're saying that Dorian looks like he added 2 more inches than this.

  No; I guesstimated that he did. Have you seen the video of the 1995 Olympia? Have you seen Dorian's lat width?! Have you seen how skinny he was when he started? Again, visual assesments are shit, but from a purely visual assesment, seven inches to each side is not completely impossible.

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Furthermore, Nasser was wider than Dorian you dipshit.

  No, he was wider than Dorian from the front, due to his massive delts. From the back, he seemed like an amateur compared to Dorian in overrall back development. Again, check out the video and you'll see that Dorian simply destroys Nasser in the rear lat spread. I think you're a retard for having said that. :-X

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I'm not sure why you say he "didn't even come close to his lat width."

  Because he didn't...

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wow, ladies and gentleman, Sucky can add 4 plus 4!!! ::)

 But apparently, you can't. You also seem to be unable to subtract. ;D ;)

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excuses excuses. You said one thing, and now you're changing your story to avoid further embarrassment. Just admit that you are wrong.

  Wrong about what? Because I saw one source in a magazine years ago that stated that his arms were 52 centimeters? Well, I've seen it in full print several times that Dorian's arms were 21". In fact, in those black&whites from 1993, Dorian's arms actually tapered at 22". ;) Since I never use the decimal scale, I assumed that 52 cm was 21". In any case, it's close enough - only one centimeter off. So, if it makes you feel better about yourself that I got a conversion wrong by one centimeter, then so be it. Observe that this is not even a discussion about Dorian's arms, which were probably 22" at their best and not 21"; he is criticizing me from mistaking a conversion from inches to centimeters by one centimeter! The real question here is: Who cares? Especially considering that I don't remember exactly what the number in print was: 52 cm is what I recall. Secondly, that there are tons of figures showing that Dorian's arms, at their pre-tear best, were actually closer to 22". And thirdly, above all, who cares about overrall arms size since it is only visible in the front double biceps?

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Dorian's arms were closer to 20" than 21".

  Actually, they were 21" and probably closer to 22". In the pre-contest pics from 1993, they were 22".

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Let's just say his arms were 20.5" for argument's sake. 23 - 20.5 = 2.5 which is greater than 2

  Nope. 23" - 21" = 2". And you bet 2.5 is more than 2. Were Ronnie's arms 2.5" bigger than Dorian's? No. Even if they were, would that make that much a difference? No.

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Also, the only pose Dorian's arms could match Ronnie's in was the side triceps. Ronnie's arms destroyed Dorian's in the:

front double biceps

  I agree. This is Ronnie's major royal flush. In this pose, his superior biceps are entirely visible - unlike in the back double biceps, where they are obscured by delt and triceps mass - and Ronnie's small advantage in inner and medial triceps heads are visible too. But then, I've never denied that Ronnie is better at this mandatory.

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rear double biceps

  Nope. Talking exclusively about arms, Dorian's lateral triceps head is visible here, and it is plain better than Ronnie's. Dorian's delts are just as big as Ronnie's, bt with the added bonus that his three delt heads are more proportionally developed.

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front lat spread

  Excuse me, but I assume that you are joking. In what way, exactly are arms relevant here, since the biceps is not contracting, the triceps is not visible and the only that is visible, the forearsms, are a clear advantage to Dorian? ::)

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rear lat spread

  Ronnie might have a small advantage in triceps here, but it is minimal. How many points would this small advantage give Ronnie, considering that Dorian's lats spread wider, and that Ronnie had large, unmanly glutes, and huge hams that only emphasize how small his claves were?

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  Ok, but just for the record, this was not officially a mandatory in Dorian's era, and Dorian's crab shot was fantastic.

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you have yet to own me kid.

  I have owned you too many times to even count. Several people have quoted my replies to you and told you, in full print, that I owned you. You didn't reply to several of my posts on the ground that they were too long. Guess what? It's far more tiresome to write them!

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In fact, all you have accomplished is making yourself look stupid.

  I have made you look stupid so many times, and yet you come back for more. Poopster getsd owned by me continuously but at least he's an old member who genuinely follows the sport. What about you?

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You claimed that you never said Dorian's arms were 52 cm. I posted the exact quote where you did.

  Wrong! I never denied that! I confirmed that I said that I saw the number 52 cm in that magazine article, but that it could also have been 53. That's all I said. I saw this article many years ago, so I don't remember for sure. Regardless, 20.47" is pretty fucking close to 21", and you make a big deal over it. And againm the joke's on you, because Dorian's arms were probably not only 21" but close to 22" at their best, and the only wrong thing I said was that Ronnie had 24" arms.

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You asked me where I got Dorian's arm measurement of 20.47" when all I did was convert the number you gave me from cm to inches.

  Well, 21" is 53.34 centimeters, so it's not far off from that number. Regardless, you're making a big deal out of this because it's the only thing you have to hang to.

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You also threatened to call me a bitch if I didn't respond to your post, which I did the same day. However, you have yet to address my response to your post (over 3 days ago) in the religious board. I guess that officially makes you my bitch now. ;)

  I have no intention of posting another reply at that thread. I replied to that post because usmokepole complimented me and asked for my opinion on some matter. Then, you posted an incredibly stupid think - that the law of cause and effect is not explained by logic -, I laughed and just had to reply to that. Read the TOE by Christopher Michael Langan and, if you need elucidation about some point, then I will help you.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15386 on: December 01, 2006, 12:18:50 AM »
again: no contest. Ronnie's arms noticably larger,

not that it really matters, its just to prove sucky wrong as usual 8)

  And what is this supposed to prove? You post a single shot where Ronnie is flexing his biceps and claim that his arms were several inches bigger than Dorian's? Well, let's see. Ronnie has round muscles and smaller joints than Dorian - like Flex Wheeler -, so his muscles appear to be naturally larger than his. Adding to that, Dorian's arms, at his best, were around 21", and Ronnie had 23" arms at that 2003 Olympia. Ronnie arms were bigger at the 2003 Olympia than at the 1999 one. Yes? So, if he had a two inch advantage in 2003 - which is very significant, by the way - how much bigger were Ronnie's arms in 1999? Well, at the most, one inch. This is mathematical and not visual, sport. Get the tape measurer and you'll see that. Ronnie's factual advantage in arm mass was much lower than that you assume. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15387 on: December 01, 2006, 12:20:03 AM »
Half an inch? This from the "grad student of physiology" AKA "Mr. resistence"....hahahahaahahahahahhaha

  How much "resistence" you get from using your bowflex, Poopster? :P ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15388 on: December 01, 2006, 03:24:40 AM »
wow this is one of great pic of dorian

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15389 on: December 01, 2006, 04:38:43 AM »
  How much "resistence" you get from using your bowflex, Poopster? :P ;D ;)

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I want to see big dummy the SUCKMAN to bench 400 for reps on one of those, thelittle PUZZY. haahahaahahhahahaahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15390 on: December 01, 2006, 05:14:05 AM »
  How much "resistence" you get from using your bowflex, Poopster? :P ;D ;)

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lmao. poor little pumpster only has room in his one bedroom apartment for a bow flex.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15391 on: December 01, 2006, 05:57:17 AM »
lmao. poor little pumpster only has room in his one bedroom apartment for a bow flex.


The funniest thing is that the room is filled with other equipment. haahahahhahahaah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15392 on: December 01, 2006, 06:37:09 AM »
ahh..but Ronnie had Yates-like hardness combined with even more detail in 99:


 :P


this may be the dumbest comment you've made in 620 pages. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15393 on: December 01, 2006, 06:39:34 AM »
LOL compare triceps:




how about comparing calves?

LOL.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15394 on: December 01, 2006, 06:39:57 AM »
The funniest thing is that the room is filled with other equipment. haahahahhahahaah

yeah right, whatever you say homie. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15395 on: December 01, 2006, 06:47:38 AM »
pumpster,


you are the biggest hypocrite on this entire board.


300 pages ago, i posted quotes from ronnie, dillet, flex, etc. saying how gerat dorian was and how ronnie would not beat him - ronnie himself from the 11/99 issue of FLEX.

for 300 more pages, you've ignored those quotes, acted like they were never posted, replied with some stupid remark with words hardly used by anyone (who do you think you are, TA?) to try and make it sound like you really know what you are talking about. 

you would ignore the remarks posted by other judges and bodybuilders who competed against both dorian and ronnie and then post a RELAXED picture of dorian from 94 or another RELAXED shot of him from a very shitty quality pic from the 94 Englsih grand prix.

now, the new issue of FLEX is out, and in every post for the past 72 pages, you've posted mcgough's remark about the back issue.

it's ok to ignore quotes from others when it involves dorian or ronnie, but vice versa, you post it every time.


fuckking hypocrite. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15396 on: December 01, 2006, 07:04:53 AM »
pumpster,


you are the biggest hypocrite on this entire board.


300 pages ago, i posted quotes from ronnie, dillet, flex, etc. saying how gerat dorian was and how ronnie would not beat him - ronnie himself from the 11/99 issue of FLEX.

for 300 more pages, you've ignored those quotes, acted like they were never posted, replied with some stupid remark with words hardly used by anyone (who do you think you are, TA?) to try and make it sound like you really know what you are talking about. 

you would ignore the remarks posted by other judges and bodybuilders who competed against both dorian and ronnie and then post a RELAXED picture of dorian from 94 or another RELAXED shot of him from a very shitty quality pic from the 94 Englsih grand prix.

now, the new issue of FLEX is out, and in every post for the past 72 pages, you've posted mcgough's remark about the back issue.

it's ok to ignore quotes from others when it involves dorian or ronnie, but vice versa, you post it every time.


fuckking hypocrite. 


Like I've stated before he is in his own little world and will never leave it, he hears and sees only what he wants to and not what is really there. To sum it up he is a retard of epic proportions and shows delusion at it's finest.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15397 on: December 01, 2006, 07:11:39 AM »
pumpster,


you are the biggest hypocrite on this entire board.


300 pages ago, i posted quotes from ronnie, dillet, flex, etc. saying how gerat dorian was and how ronnie would not beat him - ronnie himself from the 11/99 issue of FLEX.

for 300 more pages, you've ignored those quotes, acted like they were never posted, replied with some stupid remark with words hardly used by anyone (who do you think you are, TA?) to try and make it sound like you really know what you are talking about. 

you would ignore the remarks posted by other judges and bodybuilders who competed against both dorian and ronnie and then post a RELAXED picture of dorian from 94 or another RELAXED shot of him from a very shitty quality pic from the 94 Englsih grand prix.

now, the new issue of FLEX is out, and in every post for the past 72 pages, you've posted mcgough's remark about the back issue.

it's ok to ignore quotes from others when it involves dorian or ronnie, but vice versa, you post it every time.


fuckking hypocrite. 


you're exactly right but don't be hard on poor little pumpy. all he has in life is his one bedroom apartment, old pictures of ronnie and a hand me down bowflex machine.

the sad part is that he is obsessed with this gay fantasy of his ideal image of ronnie and imagines that he is actually ronnie's posing briefs being jerked way up his butt (hey it's better than pumpy's brutal reality of day to day life). :'(

it's sad because it's true.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15398 on: December 01, 2006, 08:03:01 AM »
The outcome of all contests is based solely on this. According to Wankster & Dumpster that is.

It also means that Ronnie Coleman is a better bodybuilder than Dorian Yates ever was simply because he has a better MM. Forget about the front and rear lat spreads, side chest, side tricep and abdominal & thigh. The MM truly is the one pose that decides it all in a professional bodybuilding contest. LOL


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15399 on: December 01, 2006, 08:20:08 AM »
Coleman being owned in almost every pose by a 30lbs lighter Yates. It's a shame that the MM isn't included because that would've made Coleman win the overall comparison. LOL