Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

ah. but carrying more mass is not an advantage if it lacks shape and refinement:

It's simply about flat out muscularity. How do then explain the fact that Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round in 91 despite weighing 11lbs less and having inferior overall shape and "refinement" (aka a word Hulkster made up to accomodate his rediculous claims)? The answer lies in the fact that Dorian carried more lean mass and was better conditioned. The same result would occur against a 1999 Ronnie. Dorian would win the muscularity round. 

[Palpatine Q]

Matt Dorian has better triceps and forearms , better shaped and just as detailed and you're the genius who said Marky Mark and Bob Paris have simlar physiques 

You base that on one pose- the side tricep.

Iv'e stated this before.....Dorian looks good in that pose because his Triceps ARE SMALL ENOUGH to flatten out against his body, allowing all three heads to bee seen from the front, so he looks sick. Ronnie's arms are TOO BIG to do that.

Look at ANY OTHER ARM POSE and Ronnie crushes the shit out of him.

Ronnie's Tris destroy Dorian's

[pobrecito]

You base that on one pose- the side tricep.

Iv'e stated this before.....Dorian looks good in that pose because his Triceps ARE SMALL ENOUGH to flatten out against his body, allowing all three heads to bee seen from the front, so he looks sick. Ronnie's arms are TOO BIG to do that.

Look at ANY OTHER ARM POSE and Ronnie crushes the shit out of him.

Next excuse please....

assinine assessment. Dorian's triceps were massive.

[Palpatine Q]

Thanks for proving my point,asshead


ONE POSE- SIDE TRICEP

SHOW ME ONE PICTURE OTHER THAN THAT WHERE DORIAN HAS BETTER ARMS.

[pobrecito]

Thanks for proving my point,asshead


ONE POSE- SIDE TRICEP

SHOW ME ONE PICTURE OTHER THAN THAT WHERE DORIAN HAS BETTER ARMS.

I've never claimed Dorian had better arms - in the eyes of the judges, arms (and biceps in specific) are fairly irrelevant.

[IceCold]

Dorian was just lucky that someone with size and quality (and a back) did not show up during his reign.

The last time this happened (91) Dorian lost.

and it was no surprise as to why.

Facing Ronnie 99 would be no different.

you're such a moron.

just as you bitch about a pre-98 coleman, why is it ok to use dorian in HIS FIRST FUCKING OLYMPIA.

have haney compete against dorian in any year past 91 and see what happens.

with coleman, it would be no different. 

[IceCold]

ND, Pubic, IceCold and Suckmyasshole are probably the only 4 people on the entire internet that would ever think that 93 dorian was better than 99 Ronnie period, nevermind just the arms.

go to some of the other boards and they will laugh at you for even suggesting that dorian was better than a prime time Ronnie.

name the boards?

we will use your 2nd all time fav bber.

in 99, flex never called ronnie untouchable.

in fact, he turned his back to the crowd thinking he should have won.

in 93, flex calls dorian 'untouchable'.

this isnt your usual cop out of the judges with quantity over quality - this is flex saying how great dorian was and that he won bc he was the best.

also, ronnie was called out numerous times in 99.  yates was never called out during prejuding.  it was that apparent how dominant he was.

both of those things NEVER happened to ronnie in 99.

you can ignore what i say and what the judges say, but now are you going to ignore flex wheeler?

[IceCold]

no it isn't.

having a great back means looking good from the waist up, as in the rear double bi pose.

Having great arms is an integral part of having a great back.

Calves are not related to having a great back specifically at all.

about to get owned again and i'll provide several examples.

of course, your comments are going to reflect coleman's strength's and dorian's weakness.

arms matter in a back shot, but calves dont?

what the fuck is that?

when they do a back pose, you can hear manion say 'put the leg back to flex the calf'.

why would he say that if calves dont matter. 

many people have great arms in the back double bi shot, but that alone isnt enough.

troy alves has a great back and arms in that back double bi pose.  but sucks below the waist.

the same remark was made about flex wheeler.

lee priest, paul dillet, nasser, levrone, etc. all have great arms and shoulders in those shots?

how'd they fair against dorian?

why do you constantly change shit around to make coleman look better saying how it only matters from the waist up in that pose and that calves dont matter?

then why the fuck does coleman give himself a wedgey to show off his glutes?

[pumpster]

You base that on one pose- the side tricep.

Look at ANY OTHER ARM POSE and Ronnie crushes the shit out of him.

Ronnie's Tris destroy Dorian's

I've said this REPEATEDLY. Side tri is the *only* arm shot where Yates is on the same page, there's no other shot. I've asked for someone to provide another example..NOTHING..

Yates' relative lack of triceps size is glaring..

[IceCold]

ND did you not read my last post?

you cannot single out tris and forearms.

you have to look at the whole arm (and delts are important too):

check out the striations in dorian's chest and how coleman doesnt have any.

not to mention the softer midsection.

coleman's delts are rounder and his arms are bigger, but he would still loose bc dorian is bigger and in better condition. 

[pumpster]

check out the striations in dorian's chest and how coleman doesnt have any.

I'm seeing twice as many striations on Coleman's chest.

Then there's Yates' arms and delts-seen from the front detail is virtually non-existent, AND he's much smaller.

Yates' traps are non-existent in comparison.

[IceCold]

thanks to fist302 for these cool shots

despite coleman outweighing dorian by 30 or so pounds, he's getting owned.

yates is fuller, harder, and denser EVERYWHEHERE.  

coleman never matched yates' conditioning - hardness and dryness.

in 98, he was close, but would loose on size alone.

remember how bad nasser dwarfed coleman in 98?

nasser never dwarfed dorian.  

[pumpster]

yates is fuller, harder, and denser EVERYWHEHERE.  

coleman never matched yates' conditioning - hardness and dryness.
 

What's funny is that he continues to claim that he doesn't chose just the same 2 narrow  criteria over and over selectively, then does it again. But won't admit an extremely clear bias and lack of objectivity after proving it.

Yates gets killed in poses just like this; it's not close. Coleman even winning on density & hardness:


Newsflash: Coleman wins on all other criteria, demolishes Yates.

[IceCold]

I'm seeing twice as many striations on Coleman's chest.

Then there's Yates' arms and delts-seen from the front detail is virtually non-existent, AND he's much smaller.

Yates' traps are non-existent in comparison.

i was really refering to that one pic hulkster posted from the english grand prix of 99.

yates still has more striations that coleman in that pic you posted (in the chest).

also, in 98, coleman had bad gyno, so he would automatically loose any chest comparison on that alone.

i think the pic you posted is shitty quaility.  coleman did not look that watery on the tape.

acutally coleman is smaller.  

yates competed that year at 257 -262 and coleman was 247 during prejuding and 249 at night.

check the stats.

[IceCold]

What's funny is that he continues to claim that he doesn't use the same 2 criteria over and over selectively, to the exclusion of all else then does it again. But won't admit his very very clear bias and preference for those 2 attributes hardness & dryness.


Newsflash: Coleman wins on all other criteria, demolishes Yates.

WHAT CRITIERA WOULD THAT BE AND WHAT WAS DIFFERENT THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO THAT COLEMAN DIDNT HAVE IN ANY YEAR THAT HE AND YATES COMPETED AGAINST EACH OTHER?

[pumpster]

Coleman winning on conditioning & hardness AND on all other criteria:

[pumpster]

assinine assessment. Dorian's triceps were massive.

No, they weren't. I've asked for other pics to prove there was great size there and no one's ever come up with anything but more side-tri shots, because that's all there is.

Tris were average in size but very cut, which fools novices. They weren't that big, so ironically they balance well given the putrid biceps size.

[IceCold]

Coleman winning on conditioning & hardness AND on all other criteria:

according to you and no one else.

you dont understand that what you interpret from a fucking picture is not a fact.

you have no one (whether a judge or competitor) to support your views other than hulkster. 

[pumpster]

according to you and no one else.

you dont understand that what you interpret from a fucking picture is not a fact.

you have no one (whether a judge or competitor) to support your views other than hulkster. 

The fucking evidence is right there before you. Take a poll and find out whether anyone's changed their mind on getbig:

Coleman >> Yates.


You're all alone with the misguided, selective perspectives..

[IceCold]

The fucking evidence is right there before you. Take a poll and find out whether anyone's changed their mind on getbig:

Coleman >> Yates.


You're all alone with the misguided, selective perspectives..

but i dont agree with the evidence.

the judges dont and neither do other bodybuilders who competed against dorian and ronnie.

that's my point.

you're pointing to 1 single poll.

just to give you an example.  pobrecito was all over coleman when this thread started, then he saw more and more pics and clips of dorian, read the comments and now changed his mind.

before, he probably just voted in the poll for coleman.

i understand that people have their own opinion.

if people voted and think coleman is better, thats' fine.

but its another thing to say that yates was overrated and a 'tier b' olympian.

2 entirely different things. 

[pumpster]

but i dont agree with the evidence.

the judges dont and neither do other bodybuilders who competed against dorian and ronnie.

that's my point.

you're pointing to 1 single poll.

just to give you an example.  pobrecito was all over coleman when this thread started, then he saw more and more pics and clips of dorian, read the comments and now changed his mind.

before, he probably just voted in the poll for coleman.

i understand that people have their own opinion.

if people voted and think coleman is better, thats' fine.

but its another thing to say that yates was overrated and a 'tier b' olympian.

The views of various BBs on these two varies widely; any attempt to claim otherwise is just another version of your reality skewed to views you happen to like. I can't believe you don't see yourself doing this it's crystal clear.

As for all the other criteria, there's no perfect guage. Therefore, to criticize "one poll" is unrealistic, given the imperfect means available, especially if you're not suggesting anything better. Please. Also, do not use pubes' opinion as any kind of example here; he got here late, changes with the wind and supports nothing claimed. Trolling.

[IceCold]

The views of various BBs on these two varies widely; any attempt to claim otherwise is just another version of your reality skewed to views you happen to like. I can't believe you don't see yourself doing this it's crystal clear.

As for all the other criteria, there's no perfect guage. Therefore, to criticize "one poll" is unrealistic, given the imperfect means available, especially if you're not suggesting anything better. Please. Also, do not use pubes' opinion as any kind of example here; he got here late, changes with the wind and supports nothing claimed. Trolling.

i cant believe you still consider yates a 'tier b' olympia despite what other bbers have said and his record. 

[pumpster]

i cant believe you still consider yates a 'tier b' olympia despite what other bbers have said and his record. 

OK so basically you've conceded on all the points and have to resort to this. So what if Yates wasn't the creme de la creme? Does that compromise the idolatry?

[Dorian01]

Yates clearly flexes his lats in the handsclasped pose. You can see how his delts are moved further back. I doubt any pro bodybuilder has traps that look that bad when flexed. Ronnie is hitting the pose much better. Can't see lats over the arms anyway.

[pumpster]

I doubt any pro bodybuilder has traps that look that bad when flexed. Ronnie is hitting the pose much better.

Yates doesn't even look like he has traps, in comparison. Not a lot of muscle in key areas despite his rep for being "huge". "Huge" like a truck-driver, sure.