Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

Well, in my opinion Coleman has a better back, chest, biceps, delts, traps, glutes, hamstrings.

I admit Yates has him beat in the calves, tricep and has a little edge in the thighs.

Coleman has him defeated in the seperation and striations department during his prime. If you go by that and many others will agree with me. Coleman will win hands down.

Yates was a great champ, but as soon as he torn his bicep, that did it for me. Coleman is the best bodybuilder ever when he is in tip top shape. But obviously when he has his gut, my opinion will be different.

I agree totally with this too.

well said.

I have echoed this sentiments before many times, but ND just brushes them off claiming that the judges "know more than we do"

[pobrecito]

man, Dorian is just smoking Nasser in those shots

[logical?]

man, Dorian is just smoking Nasser in those shots

he's hardly smoking him. if he's beating him, it isn't by an overwhelming margin- in those shots.

[Hulkster]

IFBB judging criteria is personal preference- the preferences of the guys who sat down and came up with the criteria.

see, writing down criteria means nothing if you don't know how to apply it and follow it properly.

this is ND's problem: if you look at the actual criteria, Ronnie beats dorian in almost every mandatory, because of his superior muscle shape, taper, detail and with equal size.

[Hulkster]

he's hardly smoking him. if he's beating him, it isn't by an overwhelming margin- in those shots.

just ignore Pubiceto.

He has been nothing but a troll since page 489.

[pobrecito]

Dorian's lats are dwarfing Ronnie's there - Ronnie carried more weight in his gut and thighs.

Plus, Dorian had more detail in his back. Dorian wins the rear lat spread. Lights out. Coleman is puffy and watery in comparison.

[NarcissisticDeity]

IFBB judging criteria is personal preference- the preferences of the guys who sat down and came up with the criteria.

Okay buts its the precedent that if followed , its the guidelines and how contests are won or lost and again you're average GetBig member is clueless to what the criteria is .

[logical?]

just ignore Pubiceto.

He has been nothing but a troll since page 489.

yeah, i know. i remember when he started posting. just like the shadow, only with less profanity and (a tad) more rationality.

still, trolls have opinions too.

[logical?]

Okay buts its the precedent that if followed , its the guidelines and how contests are won or lost and again you're average GetBig member is clueless to what the criteria is .

yeah, fair enough.

but then, instead of simply asserting 'dorian is better than ronnie,' you must reduce that to, 'dorian is better than ronnie, through the eyes of the IFBB'

But this is a very weak claim, as you can't do anything to demonstrate that the IFBB's judging criteria is any better than anyone else's, because it is personal preference.

[Hulkster]

Pubiceto realized that as of page 489 the thread was over - even he was blown away by how much better Ronnie 99 was than dorian.

so, he just decided to stir up the pot and bash ronnie and vote dorian for something to do....

[pobrecito]

It's just too easy to prove camp coleman wrong. A simple few minutes making comparisons and it's clear that Dorian would beat Ronnie - both men at their best.

[NarcissisticDeity]

See, that response from you is what is carrying on this thread to nowhere. The IFBB has the worst judging. It is the true fans that know how to judge and we know who is better. Like I said and this is the last time I'm saying this.

Coleman in his absolutely best shape during his prime will beat Yates in his absolutely best shape during his prime.

Why can't you just admit it and stop this stupid ass thread. PLEASE.

Spoken like a true zealot true fans are clueless bodybuilding isn't a popularity contest it has rules and the IFBB judging is the best there is , both high & low scores are tossed out and all 13 judges come to their independent conclusions based on the criteria and the consensus with Yates was he was above and beyond his contemporaries.

[Hulkster]

all 13 judges come to their independent conclusions based on the criteria and the consensus with Yates was he was above and beyond his contemporaries.

but his contemporaries did not include anything like this:

 

[logical?]

It's just too easy to prove camp coleman wrong. A simple few minutes making comparisons and it's clear that Dorian would beat Ronnie - both men at their best.

the most muscular is from 2005, and the rear relaxed from 2001 O (I think). I don't know what year that tri extended is, but I notice you didn't compare a side-tri to a side-tri.

Those two are hardly Ronnie's best years.

[logical?]

Spoken like a true zealot true fans are clueless bodybuilding isn't a popularity contest it has rules and the IFBB judging is the best there is , both high & low scores are tossed out and all 13 judges come to their independent conclusions based on the criteria and the consensus with Yates was he was above and beyond his contemporaries.

Yeah, again, if the judging is based on criteria, then it isn't truly independent.

[pobrecito]

It truly is amazing, despite weighing less, how much thicker and denser Dorian looks than Ronnie. Dorian would have made any version of Ronnie, other than 2003 and 2004, look small. They would have been roughly equal in appearance when Ronnie was 287-294, however, Ronnie's conditioning really would have hurt him then.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, fair enough.

but then, instead of simply asserting 'dorian is better than ronnie,' you must reduce that to, 'dorian is better than ronnie, through the eyes of the IFBB'

But this is a very weak claim, as you can't do anything to demonstrate that the IFBB's judging criteria is any better than anyone else's, because it is personal preference.

Fans don't judge bodybuilding contest judges do and based on the Mens Professional Judging Criteria in my personal opinion Dorian Yates at his best fits that criteria better than Ronnie Coleman , but obviously this isn't an absolute its my interpretation using the criteria I'm not arrogant enough to think Ronnie doesn't stand a chance , but based on history , facts , previous scorecards , firsthand accounts I would say the probability of Dorian beating Ronnie is better than Ronnie beating Dorian.

[pobrecito]

the most muscular is from 2005, and the rear relaxed from 2001 O (I think). I don't know what year that tri extended is, but I notice you didn't compare a side-tri to a side-tri.

Those two are hardly Ronnie's best years.

The sole purpose of those comparisons was to prove that Ronnie would NOT make Dorian look small. In fact, I believe it would be the other way around, per the comparisons. Notice in the first most-muscular Ronnie has a 20lb advantage, but you would never know it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

but his contemporaries did not include anything like this:

 

And Ronnie never faced anyone like this . 

[pobrecito]

This shot just blows away Coleman, top to bottom. If Dorian had claimed to be 280lbs, I don't think anyone would have disputed that.

[NarcissisticDeity]

And you feel Bob Paris at his best would beat Ronnie at his best?

No

[Hulkster]

Dorian would have made any version of Ronnie, other than 2003 and 2004, look small.

LOL:

 

ronnie looked huge in 99, and would NOT seem "small" next to yates.

[logical?]

Fans don't judge bodybuilding contest judges do and based on the Mens Professional Judging Criteria in my personal opinion Dorian Yates at his best fits that criteria better than Ronnie Coleman , but obviously this isn't an absolute its my interpretation using the criteria I'm not arrogant enough to think Ronnie doesn't stand a chance , but based on history , facts , previous scorecards , firsthand accounts I would say the probability of Dorian beating Ronnie is better than Ronnie beating Dorian.

yeah, you missed the point of my post.

basically, when you say that dorian is better than ronnie, you say that relative to the IFBB criteria. However, you have nothing to substantiate that the IFBB criteria is actually a good set of judging criteria- or better than anyone else's.

further, the judges also are not objective- assuming that they are better at evaluating physiques than you, or Hulkster, because they are judges is simple argument from authority.

[logical?]

The sole purpose of those comparisons was to prove that Ronnie would NOT make Dorian look small. In fact, I believe it would be the other way around, per the comparisons. Notice in the first most-muscular Ronnie has a 20lb advantage, but you would never know it.

I don't care about your comparisons, I'm just stating that you asserted that these pics of Ronnie were taken at his best. They aren't- 2005, 2001 O are far from it.

[pobrecito]

LOL:

 

ronnie looked huge in 99, and would NOT seem "small" next to yates.

Ronnie looked huge next to Cormier and Wheeler....but he would not next to Dorian

On the 95 posedown, Dorian made everyone look like children in comparison, despite being as much as 25lbs smaller than some of his competitors. In any case, Dorian would have been bigger than Ronnie