Author Topic: Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce  (Read 3567615 times)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16400 on: December 10, 2006, 03:18:59 PM »
I mean look at these traps ! those lowerlats and lower back.   :o

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16401 on: December 10, 2006, 03:20:44 PM »
Its not a matter of would he win its a matter of do you personally agree with Peter McGough that 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is his best showing ever?

it does matter b/c I don't know what criteria he is using.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16402 on: December 10, 2006, 03:21:51 PM »
I mean look at these traps ! those lowerlats and lower back.


I'm sorry, but I don't like the shape of his traps. They look like 2 penises rubbing each other.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16403 on: December 10, 2006, 03:21:56 PM »
sure he is. ::)



Answer the question , no wait let me answer it for you



sorry little boy, but you cannot pick and choose quotes when it suits you. If you accept Peter McGough's commentary that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99 than 98, then you must also accept his quote that Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time. If you dismiss one quote for whatever reason, then you acknowledge that he's not a very reliable source.


You now have to agree ( according to your own logic ) that 2001 Arnold Classis is the best Ronnie Coleman ever looked at anytime in his career.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16404 on: December 10, 2006, 03:22:27 PM »
I'm sorry, but I don't like the shape of his traps. They look like 2 penises rubbing each other.

WTF? lol  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16405 on: December 10, 2006, 03:23:06 PM »
Ronnie does not look good here at all.

Mass at the expensive of condition is not a good thing.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16406 on: December 10, 2006, 03:24:06 PM »
it does matter b/c I don't know what criteria he is using.

It doesn't matter what criteria he is using , he said that 2001 Arnold Classic is the best Ronnie has ever looked period. do you agree with this statement?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16407 on: December 10, 2006, 03:24:44 PM »
You now have to agree ( according to your own logic ) that 2001 Arnold Classis is the best Ronnie Coleman ever looked at anytime in his career.

I already told you. If you are going by Ronnie's best look ever, then I agree with him.
















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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16408 on: December 10, 2006, 03:27:51 PM »
don't worry he won't.

Yates could competing with Ronnie for dryness in the areas of abs and lower back- in fact he surpassed him.

but no where else.

hence, the fact that Ronnie 99 was dryer overall, esp. when overall takes into account roughly 80% of the body:



In my opinion Yates was dryer in the lower back, abs, tricep and calves. Everywhere else I believe Coleman is dryer such as the upper back, quads, traps, delts, biceps, forearms, hams, glutes, chest.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16409 on: December 10, 2006, 03:28:13 PM »
Ronnie does not look good here at all.

Mass at the expensive of condition is not a good thing.



No he doesn't especially not compared to his earlier showings , look at this pic from 1992 look how much his muscularity has suffered look at his delts , detailed , striated , look at the separation of his biceps , triceps how sharp and detailed , big difference.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16410 on: December 10, 2006, 03:29:13 PM »
ha ha ha, remember what I said about you reiterating my words back to me except leading others to believe I disagreed with you? No kidding the triceps are composed of 3 heads. I just f*cking said that in my last post, you dipshit. Here is the exact quote to prove it.

  It doesen't matter that Ronnie has the "long" triceps head biger than Dorian, you idiot, because my point is that this doesen't serve him from most angles an d in most poses. Get it? The " long" head is mostly concealed from sight, so Ronnie's advantage in size is mostly irrelevant. This conmes from the specific confuguration of the Human body. The bottom line is that Dorian's lateral triceps head is better than Ronnie's at any weight, and this is visible. Ronnie only gets to showcase his superior medial and inner triceps head when he's flexing his arms from the front. Even from the back, the triceps mass is mostly concealed from sight by the delts and due to the fact that, again, it is the lateral triceps head that is displayed here. My further point is that, although visible in the rear lat spread and relaxed round from the back, most of the mass of the anteruior and medial triceps heads are still concealed from sight, amking Ronnie's advantage mostly irrelevant. You lose. Again. ;)

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So why did you call me a dumbf*ck when all you did was basically repeat what I said? I could say "2 + 2 = 4" and you would still respond "no, you moron, 2 + 2 = 4." You're such a pathetic tool. ::)

  I called you a dumbfuck because you're unable to comprehend that Ronnie's advantage in inner and medial triceps head size is mostly irrelevant from most angles while contracting most muscles.

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Furthermore, why don't you use proper names when you talk about the triceps? You refer to them as the "outer," "medial," and "anterior" heads. I thought you had a degree in exercise physiology. They are called the lateral, medial, and long heads. I had no f*cking clue what you were talking about in another post when you said "inner head." Is this what you were taught in college (assuming you actually went)?

  There's no need to be excessively pedantic when talking to a layman - such as yourself.

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Quit trying to change the subject you dipshit. Earlier, you claimed the triceps long head appears "so small that it's pretty much irrelvant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread. This is clearly not true. They look pretty large to me.

  My point is that it's amss is still mostly concealed, idiot. And they represent a miniscule part both in the relaxed round from the back and the rear lat spread. Hey, retard, post pics where Ronnie compares to this from a muscularity&symmetry stanpoints in the side triceps shot - the one especifically designed to showcase triceps development. You can't. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16411 on: December 10, 2006, 03:32:04 PM »
I already told you. If you are going by Ronnie's best look ever, then I agree with him.





You forgot these  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16412 on: December 10, 2006, 03:33:09 PM »
Now mind you so none of the crybabies on here start with the water works I'm posting the comparison pics of Yates with Ronnie at what is considered his most dry which is 1998 , so let there be know mistake .

You can't argue with my assessment Dorian has Ronnie beat on traps and lowerlats and lower back.

That Coleman pic was taken from below, so you can't really see his traps. The Yates pic is taken from eye level showing his traps more. Yates has him beat in lower back, but Coleman has him beat in traps compared with better pictures of Coleman at the same contest. When it comes to lower lats, I give the edge to Yates, but upperlats, Coleman demolishes him.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16413 on: December 10, 2006, 03:34:28 PM »
oh, but he was! His back just wasn't detailed enough.

  First of all, "dipshit"(there's your wit for you ;D), you said that Nasser was wider than Dorian from the back, and you even posted pics of Nasser from the back to prove that. Of course, you failed, and I laughed at you for being so stupid. Nasser was never as wide as Dorian from the back. Never. It is exactly because of this that he lost the rear lat spread and the relaxed round from the back, you moron. ::) He also lost the back double biceps, but another story. Since you love visual evidence so much, let me tell you that Dorian was infinitely wider from the back in all the pics you posted. You "dipshit". ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16414 on: December 10, 2006, 03:37:09 PM »
That Coleman pic was taken from below, so you can't really see his traps. The Yates pic is taken from eye level showing his traps more. Yates has him beat in lower back, but Coleman has him beat in traps compared with better pictures of Coleman at the same contest. When it comes to lower lats, I give the edge to Yates, but upperlats, Coleman demolishes him.

I disagree I think Yates has clearly the thicker and denser traps , and they compare very well in terms of lat sweep , and upper back development but lats clearly has the better lower back and lower lats so this is exactly why Dorian has a better back , he has everything Ronnie has plus some.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16415 on: December 10, 2006, 03:37:30 PM »
I mean look at these traps ! those lowerlats and lower back.   :o

No doubt that pic is straight up sick. amazing. Thanks for the pic.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16416 on: December 10, 2006, 03:39:02 PM »
Coleman loses the read lat spread to Yates.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16417 on: December 10, 2006, 03:40:05 PM »
The best back ever

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16418 on: December 10, 2006, 03:48:17 PM »
It doesen't matter that Ronnie has the "long" triceps head biger than Dorian, you idiot, because my point is that this doesen't serve him from most angles an d in most poses. Get it? The " long" head is mostly concealed from sight, so Ronnie's advantage in size is mostly irrelevant. This conmes from the specific confuguration of the Human body. The bottom line is that Dorian's lateral triceps head is better than Ronnie's at any weight, and this is visible. Ronnie only gets to showcase his superior medial and inner triceps head when he's flexing his arms from the front. Even from the back, the triceps mass is mostly concealed from sight by the delts and due to the fact that, again, it is the lateral triceps head that is displayed here. My further point is that, although visible in the rear lat spread and relaxed round from the back, most of the mass of the anteruior and medial triceps heads are still concealed from sight, amking Ronnie's advantage mostly irrelevant. You lose. Again.

bullshit, you realized you made a mistake and now you're trying to save face. You claimed the long head is "so small that it's irrelevant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread. Quit trying to change the subject by talking about the medial or lateral heads, or talking about other poses. Get that through your f*cking head you mental midget. I will repeat myself to let it sink in for you. My issue with you is that you claimed the long head is irrelevant in the back relaxed and rear lat spread b/c it's too small to see.

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I called you a dumbfuck because you're unable to comprehend that Ronnie's advantage in inner and medial triceps head size is mostly irrelevant from most angles while contracting most muscles.

I'm not talking about other angles, you dipshit. You're the one who brought them up AFTER you realized you made a mistake. Now you are trying to introduce superfluous factors like the medial head and various angles to change the subject.

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There's no need to be excessively pedantic when talking to a layman - such as yourself.

lame retort. How am I a layman when I have to correct you about anatomy? ::)

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My point is that it's amss is still mostly concealed, idiot. And they represent a miniscule part both in the relaxed round from the back and the rear lat spread. Hey, retard, post pics where Ronnie compares to this from a muscularity&symmetry stanpoints in the side triceps shot - the one especifically designed to showcase triceps development. You can't.

no problem.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16419 on: December 10, 2006, 03:52:12 PM »
First of all, "dipshit"(there's your wit for you , you said that Nasser was wider than Dorian from the back, and you even posted pics of Nasser from the back to prove that. Of course, you failed, and I laughed at you for being so stupid. Nasser was never as wide as Dorian from the back. Never. It is exactly because of this that he lost the rear lat spread and the relaxed round from the back, you moron. He also lost the back double biceps, but another story. Since you love visual evidence so much, let me tell you that Dorian was infinitely wider from the back in all the pics you posted. You "dipshit".



sure ::)




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16420 on: December 10, 2006, 03:53:04 PM »
Coleman loses the read lat spread to Yates.



How can you say that? I think both guys have equally the same width from behind. Coleman lats look a lot lower to me than Yates. Yates has better lower back, but Coleman to me has better upper back detail and bigger traps and his delts look better. Even though you are using a black and white photo to a colored one.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16421 on: December 10, 2006, 03:56:53 PM »
sure ::)





Ummm Nasser is closer to the camera and Yates is tilted more to one side.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16422 on: December 10, 2006, 03:58:30 PM »
The best back ever

You mean these my friend.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16423 on: December 10, 2006, 03:58:42 PM »
How can you say that? I think both guys have equally the same width from behind. Coleman lats look a lot lower to me than Yates. Yates has better lower back, but Coleman to me has better upper back detail and bigger traps and his delts look better. Even though you are using a black and white photo to a colored one.

Regarding the lats, Dorian's insert lower, but his lats have a more flared shape to them whereas Ronnie's have more of a progressive curve thus giving the illusion of a lower insertion.

Regarding the rear delts, Ronnie's were never as clearly separated as Dorian's in the rear lat spread.

To me, they are fairly close in the rear lat, but Yates has a slight advantage in the back, slightly better conditioning, and of course, the calves.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #16424 on: December 10, 2006, 04:00:49 PM »
You mean these my friend.

Ronnie compares very well with Dorian until the lower back and lower lats this is one area where Yates is clearly better , how can Ronnie have a better back is he's deficient in this area?