Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

well, if you are going to use the ab and thigh shot to show no gut, then Ronnie had no gut also:

 

Ronnie looks like a piece of feces there.

Quads way too big for his upper body. Not proportion throughout the physique. Point for Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, if you are going to use the ab and thigh shot to show no gut, then Ronnie had no gut also:

 

Wrong you can clearly see his abs convexing , simply not true

[Hulkster]

Wrong you can clearly see his abs convexing , simply not true

no you can't

[NarcissisticDeity]

bitch tits didn't exactly hurt Ronnie's career so why would the judges knock points off of him for bitch tits against dorian?

they don't care about bitch tits.

If the contest was hypothetically close BITCH TITS would count believe me and Levrone on Ronnie's gut 


he plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no you can't

Sure you can't just like I can't see his mediocre balance & proportion 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie at 244 pounds  monster forearms 

[NarcissisticDeity]

My quote in the other Ronnie/Dorian thread:

Matt like Hulkster you have limited abilities and tend to judge on personal preference .

[NeoSeminole]

Oh my! Wtf?! Are you retarded? I'm going to say this for the last time: I stand by what I said 100%: the long triceps is so small that it's irrelevant in the rear lat spread and the relxed roundf rom the back. I'm making up superfluous point? No, that's you by trying to give the long triceps head an importance it deos not have in the rer lat spread and the relaxed round from the back because it's mass is mostly concealed. Is the longt head visible in these two poses? No, only the back part of it! Ae you so fucking stupid that you can't underastand this?!

Listen closely son. My issue with you is that you claimed the long head is "so small that it's irrelevant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread. After you realized your mistake, you began to introduce superfluous factors like the medial head and various angles to change the subject. Get that through your f*cking head you mental midget.

These pictures prove my pi nt about how irrelevant the teany tiny back of the long triceps head is relevant in the rear lat spread and the back relaxed round.

ha ha ha, I just proved you wrong and you still insulted me b/c you have nothing better to say. Maybe Dorian's long heads were "teany tiny" but not Ronnie's. The back relaxed and rear lat spread expose any imbalance issues with the long heads.

How did you correct me about the brachialis, idiot, if I stand by what I said 100%? Ronnie's brachialis is overpowerd by his biceps and triceps. It is small compared to the biceps and triceps and I will repeat that until nausea sets in.

I proved with pics that Ronnie's brachialis were not overpowered by his triceps, and especially not by his biceps. I even challenged you to circle them for me to demonstrate that you in fact know what the brachialis muscle is. You still haven't attempted my challenge b/c you know you are wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Listen closely son. My issue with you is that you claimed the long head is "so small that it's irrelevant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread. After you realized your mistake, you began to introduce superfluous factors like the medial head and various angles to change the subject. Get that through your f*cking head you mental midget.

ha ha ha, I just proved you wrong and you still insulted me b/c you have nothing better to say. Maybe Dorian's long heads were "teany tiny" but not Ronnie's. The back relaxed and rear lat spread expose any imbalance issues with the long heads.





I proved with pics that Ronnie's brachialis were not overpowered by his triceps, and especially not by his biceps. I even challenged you to circle them for me to demonstrate that you in fact know what the brachialis muscle is. You still haven't attempted my challenge b/c you know you are wrong.

Yates has a torn tricep in that pic

[NeoSeminole]

Yates has a torn tricep in that pic

you must have missed this part.

The back relaxed and rear lat spread expose any imbalance issues with the long heads.

my point is that if the long head is "so small that it's irrelevant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread, then you wouldn't even notice them. Obviously this is not true as you felt compelled to justify Dorian's twig arms in that shot.

[logical?]

Yes, Dorian, like Ronnie had a gut. Whether you see it or not in the posing routine, they both had guts. When judging who is the better bodybuilder, you take them as they are- this means, with guts.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I essentially judge in terms of "wow" factor, and I would agree this may not be an accepted standard, but it seems to be how contests are judged.

ND, check these pictures out:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1996englishgrandprixdvd.html



I urge you to read my review, which I think you will feel is fair and unbiased.

I did a while back and after I read that Dorian was nothing special from the front I couldn't stop laughing , two of his best poses are the ab-thigh and front latspread.

[pobrecito]

Yes, Dorian, like Ronnie had a gut. Whether you see it or not in the posing routine, they both had guts. When judging who is the better bodybuilder, you take them as they are- this means, with guts.

This is a very foolish statement - especially coming from you.

The posing routine is an integral part of the contest. Standing backstage is not.

The bottom line is Dorian hid his gut very, very well during his routine whereas Ronnie did nothing at all to hide his gut.

[logical?]

This is a very foolish statement - especially coming from you.

The posing routine is an integral part of the contest. Standing backstage is not.

The bottom line is Dorian hid his gut very, very well during his routine whereas Ronnie did nothing at all to hide his gut.

Yes, I can see how it appears that way- maybe I didn't word my thoughts properly.

What I meant is that in considering who is the better bodybuilder, one is considering the bodybuilders as they are- the things-in-themselves- not merely how they present themselves. This of course means considering them both with tightened abs when flexed, and guts when fully relaxed.

I guess I feel that in answering the question, 'who is the better bodybuilder,' they should be considered as wholesomly (is that even a word?) as possible- not only within the confines of the IFBB's criteria. This is because you can have two bodybuilders, A and B; where A might be a phenomenal bodybuilder (say Dillet with Yates' back), and B might be an average top-tier pro, if A can't present his physique properly- poor posing- then the tendency is to say that B is the better bodybuilder because he adhered to the criteria better. But this is only because he presented himself better- A still has a better physique, whether he posed poorly or well.

[pobrecito]

Yes, I can see how it appears that way- maybe I didn't word my thoughts properly.

What I meant is that in considering who is the better bodybuilder, one is considering the bodybuilders as they are- the things-in-themselves- not merely how they present themselves. This of course means considering them both with tightened abs when flexed, and guts when fully relaxed.

I guess I feel that in answering the question, 'who is the better bodybuilder,' they should be considered as wholesomly (is that even a word?) as possible- not only within the confines of the IFBB's criteria. This is because you can have two bodybuilders, A and B; where A might be a phenomenal bodybuilder (say Dillet with Yates' back), and B might be an average top-tier pro, if A can't present his physique properly- poor posing- then the tendency is to say that B is the better bodybuilder because he adhered to the criteria better. But this is only because he presented himself better- A still has a better physique, whether he posed poorly or well.

Well, going by that reasoning, Paul Dillet should have been Mr. Olympia. As Shawn Ray put it on BFTO 96, the judges were becoming more and more impressed by a guy walking on stage @ 275lbs, but you still have to pose.

The single funniest thing I've ever seen in bodybuilding was Paul Dillet posing at the 1999 mr. olympia...he was actually singing along with his posing music, while simultaneously nearing going into a seizure

[logical?]

ROFL, yes it was funny, and such a weird song for a massive guy!


Well was Dillet the best bodybuilder? If he was , then he deserves to be Mr Olympia, poor posing or not.

Of course, Dillet had his share of faults, and couldn't match Dorian's trump cards (back, conditioning etc)

[pobrecito]

Well was Dillet the best bodybuilder? If he was , then he deserves to be Mr Olympia, poor posing or not.

This is where I disagree with you. If you can't display your physique to its fullest, what good is it? Shawn Ray would agree with me.

[logical?]

But then it just becomes more and more of a pageant contest.

Shawn only agrees because he was an awesome poser  If he posed like Dillet, you can bet he wouldn't agree!

[pobrecito]

Well, Shawn was a good poser, but in general I don't like "soft" posing routines like Shawn's and Ronnie's early ones (98 and 99). I prefer the moving, powerful routines like those of Yates and Nasser.

[NeoSeminole]

hey suckmyasshole, don't think I forgot you shithead.

Ronnie's brachialis were pathetic in relation to his biceps and triceps.

ha ha ha, all talk and no show. I'm still waiting for you to circle his brachialis muscle you piece of shit. Now you are trying to save face by dropping the issue - "I bet if I don't respond, then everybody will just forget about it."

Come on you little bitch of a man. Why don't you show us Ronnie's "poor brachialis" for everyone to see?

[BEAST 8692]

hey suckmyasshole, don't think I forgot you shithead.

ha ha ha, all talk and no show. I'm still waiting for you to circle his brachialis muscle you piece of shit. Now you are trying to save face by dropping the issue - "I bet if I don't respond, then everybody will just forget about it."

Come on you little bitch of a man. Why don't you show us Ronnie's "poor brachialis" for everyone to see?

come on, these debates (if you call them that) get completely biased on both sides to the point where there is not even a semblance of credibility.

ronnie clearly has outstanding brachialis. in fact his entire arms are the best i've ever seen whilst at his peak.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is such a great shot.

[BEAST 8692]

This is such a great shot.

yes it is.

i believe some people just have no idea what they're looking at. that back is 3d thick everywhere. there is only one way you get a back like that and it is brutally heavy weights with compound movements. the back is an animal that MUST be hammered as a unit, rows, deadlifts.

rear delts, infrasupinatus, rhomboids, teres, lats, erectors, upper and lower traps - everything is not only there but hanging off him in slabs. put up a back shot like that of ronnie's right next to it and we'll break down all these individual muscles and dorian will be in front.

calves, hammies - equally thick - i'd give to dorian.

arms, quads definitely ronnie.

an argument can be made for ronnie's hams and glutes. he definitely shows more cuts in that department, but damn, i can't bring myself to appreciate it. i mean wtf is up with those glutes he makes them appear to travel half way down his leg like pythons or something. if that's supposed to represent perfect development then you can keep it. posing with your gut hanging out like a pregnant woman with the seperated and fucked up mid section and tits to boot is called imperfection and if he can't take care of things like this then he doesn't deserve to be called the world's best built man in my book.

equally, dorian tore his bicep, end of story. he shouldn't have won the olympia with a torn bicep despite the fact that he was superior overall, a physical deformity overules in a physique competition of that calibre. that may suck to a dorian fan but we are talking about the world's best built man here.

[Hulkster]

equally, dorian tore his bicep, end of story. he shouldn't have won the olympia with a torn bicep despite the fact that he was superior overall, a physical deformity overules in a physique competition of that calibre. that may suck to a dorian fan but we are talking about the world's best built man here.

very true.

How did dorian recieve perfect scores with a front double bi that looked mismatched?

because the judges didn't give a flying fuck about being impartial. They would have given him perfect if he showed up missing one arm and one leg.

[logical?]

Yes, I reckon those glutes detract sorely from Ronnie's physique.

Hulkster, what is your opinion on Ronnie's left lat and tricep in the context of the torn Dorian bicep?