Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

88% of Americans believe in Angles lol its an opinion with lots of support , it has to be true because everyone agrees lol

there is no credible evidence for angles.

there is ample evidence for how unbeatable Ronnie was at his best:

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

your right - it IS infant ronnie:

 

I know moron thats why I posted the picture !! 1995 he was an infant 1996 and 1997 HE WASN'T , jesus christ kid.

[NarcissisticDeity]

there is no credible evidence for angles.

there is ample evidence for how unbeatable Ronnie was at his best:

 

No there is ample OPINION for how unbeatable Ronnie was , and there is ample proof how beatable he really was 

your base is a lot of people agree on something then this some how validates it , piss poor reasoning.

[Hulkster]

I know moron thats why I posted the picture !! 1995 he was an infant 1996 and 1997 HE WASN'T , jesus christ kid.

yes, he wasn't as bad as 95.

but look at it this way:

in 98 Ronnie was fighting for 5th place after round one of the Mr. O., despite being in the shape that he was in.

Now, given that he was overlooked in 98, did the judges even know who he was in 97?

doubtful.

He won the contest in 98 and the judges didn't even realize how good he was until round two, when they scored him perfect for the rest of the contest.

In 1997 on the olympia stage the judges would have viewed him as a competitor fighting to make the top 10, whether he deserved to place higher or not.

Ronnie really had to pay his due to make the judges take notice of him.

sad but true.

[pobrecito]

Dorian would win by virtue of greater muscularity and superior conditioning. Simple as that, Ronnie's superior overall shape and separations could not overcome this. Yates has superior overall balance and proportion throughout the physique.

[pobrecito]

yes, he wasn't as bad as 95.

but look at it this way:

in 98 Ronnie was fighting for 5th place after round one of the Mr. O., despite being in the shape that he was in.

Now, given that he was overlooked in 98, did the judges even know who he was in 97?

doubtful.

He won the contest in 98 and the judges didn't even realize how good he was until round two, when they scored him perfect for the rest of the contest.

In 1997 on the olympia stage the judges would have viewed him as a competitor fighting to make the top 10, whether he deserved to place higher or not.

Ronnie really had to pay his due to make the judges take notice of him.

sad but true.

Completely wrong. Of course this is to be expected considering you have not even seen the 98 Olympia.

Everybody, including the judges, knew damn well who the top guns were in 98. It was Flex, Ronnie, and Nasser. In the press conference, the talk was all about it being a 2 man show, Flex and Ronnie.

Not to mention, Ronnie was in the first callout with Nasser and Flex.

[Hulkster]

your base is a lot of people agree on something then this some how validates it , piss poor reasoning.

see that is where you are wrong.
 
the fact that people agree with the end result has nothing to do with it.

its the fact that people agree on the criteria used in order to arrive at that conclusion that counts. - ie better shape, equal size, better detail, better taper, better dryness everywhere except the lower back and abs.

there is a major difference.

thus, support for angels does not make it any more likely that angels exist.

but support for ronnie's advantages over dorian do make it more likely that  99 ronnie would win in a contest against dorian

[Hulkster]

Not to mention, Ronnie was in the first callout with Nasser and Flex.

no, ronnie was NOT in the first call out.

it was the first time in 15 years that a competitor who was not called out first in the first round went on to win.  At least according to the magazines at the time

brutal overlooking initially.

[pobrecito]

no, ronnie was NOT in the first call out.

it was the first time in 15 years that a competitor who was not called out first in the first round went on to win.  At least according to the magazines at the time

brutal overlooking initially.

that's odd. On the video when prejudging begins, Ronnie is in the first callout.

I will tend to believe the video Also, if you claim Ronnie was not in the 1st callout, who was with Flex and Nasser?

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, he wasn't as bad as 95.

but look at it this way:

in 98 Ronnie was fighting for 5th place after round one of the Mr. O., despite being in the shape that he was in.

Now, given that he was overlooked in 98, did the judges even know who he was in 97?

doubtful.

He won the contest in 98 and the judges didn't even realize how good he was until round two, when they scored him perfect for the rest of the contest.

In 1997 on the olympia stage the judges would have viewed him as a competitor fighting to make the top 10, whether he deserved to place higher or not.

Ronnie really had to pay his due to make the judges take notice of him.

sad but true.

Where do you come up with this nonsense he was fighting for fifth? seriously? and spare me this Ronnie was overlooked nonsense its enough already Ronnie was top 6 in 1996 at the Olympia , and he slipped to eighth in 1997 because he was off like 1996 he competed in to many spring shows and suffered for it , Ronnie was a top tier pro the moment he won a pro show which was 1995 that means he was capable of beating the big dogs , what stopped him from doing it was NOT the judges but how he showed up Ronnie

[pobrecito]

Where do you come up with this nonsense he was fighting for fifth? seriously? and spare me this Ronnie was overlooked nonsense its enough already Ronnie was top 6 in 1996 at the Olympia , and he slipped to eighth in 1997 because he was off like 1996 he competed in to many spring shows and suffered for it , Ronnie was a top tier pro the moment he won a pro show which was 1995 that means he was capable of beating the big dogs , what stopped him from doing it was NOT the judges but how he showed up Ronnie

Everybody knew it was between Flex and Ronnie in 98. Check the press conference.

[Iceman1981]

Ronnie does have a great back NO if ands or buts about it , he compares very well to Dorian UNTIL you get to the lower back , lets say everything else is equal , lat sweep , lat width , thickness , density , traps , detail , it all stops at the lowerback , Yates simply has a better lowerback combined with all the great qualities of Ronnie's.

As you said Coleman compares very well with everything else but Yates has him beat in the lower back. Even if Yates has Coleman beat in the lower back but everything else is equal. A back double bi pose is not only about lower back. Aren't you forgetting that in that 2 pics that the delts, biceps, triceps, forearms, glutes and hamstrings are included in that pose. We all can agree Coleman has him beat hands down in those areas. Stating that if Yates only has him beat in the lower back but Coleman has him beat in the delts, biceps, triceps, forearms, glutes and hamstrings. Doesn't that give Coleman a big edge over Yates in that pose? I think it does.

Last post for today guys. I'll see you tomorrow.

[NarcissisticDeity]

see that is where you are wrong.
 
the fact that people agree with the end result has nothing to do with it.

its the fact that people agree on the criteria used in order to arrive at that conclusion that counts. - ie better shape, equal size, better detail, better taper, better dryness everywhere except the lower back and abs.

there is a major difference.

thus, support for angels does not make it any more likely that angels exist.

but support for ronnie's advantages over dorian do make it more likely that  99 ronnie would win in a contest against dorian

Again you never knew the criteria YOU keep insiting Dorian would have to beat Ronnie at his game , Dorian doesn't have to have bigger biceps/triceps a better taper a better x-frame , better quad sweep , better anything to beat Ronnie , all Dorian has to do is be Dorian and with 15 out of 17 wins and never placing below second I'd say it worked quite well for him.

[pobrecito]

As you said Coleman compares very well with everything else but Yates has him beat in the lower back. Even if Yates has Coleman beat in the lower back but everything else is equal. A back double bi pose is not only about lower back. Aren't you forgetting that in that 2 pics that the delts, biceps, triceps and forearms are included in that pose. We all can agree Coleman has him beat hands down in those areas. Stating that if Yates only has him beat in the lower back but Coleman has him beat in the delts, biceps, triceps and forearms. Doesn't that give Coleman a big edge over Yates in that pose? I think it does.

Last post for today guys. I'll see you tomorrow.

The only thing Coleman has on Yates in the back double bi are the biceps, plain and simple. Coleman's hamstrings may have been slightly more separated but that was about it. Yates wins the pose.

[NarcissisticDeity]

As you said Coleman compares very well with everything else but Yates has him beat in the lower back. Even if Yates has Coleman beat in the lower back but everything else is equal. A back double bi pose is not only about lower back. Aren't you forgetting that in that 2 pics that the delts, biceps, triceps and forearms are included in that pose. We all can agree Coleman has him beat hands down in those areas. Stating that if Yates only has him beat in the lower back but Coleman has him beat in the delts, biceps, triceps and forearms. Doesn't that give Coleman a big edge over Yates in that pose? I think it does.

Last post for today guys. I'll see you tomorrow.

Again your like Hulkster its NOT a matter of who has better parts , its a matter of who meets the criteria better , Ronnie has the edge in biceps no questions , triceps maybe size but NOT development , forearms Yates , delts Ronnie's are rounder but Dorian's aren't lacking , now again like Hulkster you omit the criteria that favors Yates

Balance & proportion - Ronnie calves suck , his ass sticks way to far out
Calves - I mean seriously Ronnie's are way underdeveloped for Yates
Density - Yates

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Ray on Ronnie at the 1998 Mr Olympia



Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.

[pobrecito]

Shawn Ray on Ronnie at the 1998 Mr Olympia



Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.

This is excellent. Maybe since this is coming from the mouth of Hulkster's #2 hero, he will take it to heart.

[NarcissisticDeity]

For Hulkster , and please do some damn research next time this way you don't look stupid posting guesstimates

Flex Magazine Jan 1999 on the Mr Olympia 1998

1998 Mr Olympia constituted a come-from-behind victory for Ronnie Coleman, because. after the first ( standing relaxed ) round , he was lying in third

So much for your lame theory that Ronnie was overlooked from the begining , he was top three after the very first round and NOT 'fifth ' .

[Hulkster]

For Hulkster , and please do some damn research next time this way you don't look stupid posting guesstimates

Flex Magazine Jan 1999 on the Mr Olympia 1998

1998 Mr Olympia constituted a come-from-behind victory for Ronnie Coleman, because. after the first ( standing relaxed ) round , he was lying in third

So much for your lame theory that Ronnie was overlooked from the begining , he was top three after the very first round and NOT 'fifth ' .

a great example of how magazine quotes mean squat. A quote can be misleading if you take it at face value.

here is the scorecard:

1 Ronnie Coleman USA 17 5 5 5 32 
2 Flex Wheeler USA 5 10 10 10 35 
3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia 11 16 17 16 60 
4 Kevin Levrone USA 23 21 20 20 84 
5 Shawn Ray USA 18 22 24 25 89 
6 Chris Cormier USA 40 30 30 30 13

Notice: there was a ONE POINT difference between Ronnie's third and Shawn's fouth.

so, in reality ronnie was fighting between third and fourth at the conclusion of round one.

He barely made third, and could have ended up at fourth place in round two had shawn pulled ahead of him.

Fifth was my mistake.

but it just goes to show you that when the judges overlook ronnie,

there was a one point difference between ronnie and shawn.

when they wake up and realize how good he was,

there was a 17 to 20 point difference.Ronnie was overlooked initially in 98.

Had this not occured he proabably would have recieved a 5 in every round.

[NarcissisticDeity]

a great example of how magazine quotes mean squat. A quote can be misleading if you take it at face value.

here is the scorecard:

1 Ronnie Coleman USA 17 5 5 5 32 
2 Flex Wheeler USA 5 10 10 10 35 
3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia 11 16 17 16 60 
4 Kevin Levrone USA 23 21 20 20 84 
5 Shawn Ray USA 18 22 24 25 89 
6 Chris Cormier USA 40 30 30 30 13

Notice: there was a ONE POINT difference between Ronnie's third and Shawn's fouth.

so, in reality ronnie was fighting between third and fourth at the conclusion of round one.

He barely made third, and could have ended up at fourth place in round two had shawn pulled ahead of him.

Fifth was my mistake.

but it just goes to show you that when the judges overlook ronnie,

there was a one point difference between ronnie and shawn.

when they wake up and realize how good he was,

there was a 17 to 20 point difference.Ronnie was overlooked initially in 98.

Had this not occured he proabably would have recieved a 5 in every round.

Again keep clining to this nonsense he was overlooked after the first damn round he was in THIRD he was top three ! NOT in 5th as you claimed if he was overlooked he wouldn't have won , you ever hear of Roland Cziurlok? he was fucking overlooked in 1994 he placed 15th !! spare me the drama kid. if he was overlooked he wouldn't have won.

[pobrecito]

more excuses.

Hulkster is becoming far too predictable

[Hulkster]

more excuses.

Hulkster is becoming far too predictable

this coming from a Ronnie 99 turncoat who copies ND's posts word for word

[Hulkster]

you morons are honestly try to say that someone who made third place by ONE POINT after round one, yet was given PERFECT scores the entire rest of the contest was not overlooked in the first round?

 

about as naive as you can get.

[NarcissisticDeity]

more excuses.

Hulkster is becoming far too predictable

Thats all he's left with he's very comfortable using them.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you morons are honestly try to say that someone who made third place by ONE POINT after round one, yet was given PERFECT scores the entire rest of the contest was not overlooked in the first round?

 

about as naive as you can get.

Hulkster you claimed he was FIFTH after the first round he wasn't , you claimed he was overlooked he was in 3rd after the standing relaxed round , the next three rounds he won but the point is if he was overlooked he would have never won , you think he didn't deserve to win the first round? NO you're not humble enough to admit that maybe Ronnie isn't as good as you think he is , you're ice-skating uphill with these comments he was ' overlooked ' and you have to do it because you think he should have gotten straight firsts when in reality he was very lucky to beat Flex Wheeler , lucky Flex was less than 100% and damn lucky they didn't pull a Roland Cziurlok.