Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, looking at that pic that Hulkster posted from (1999?), you say that Cormier and Flex were aesthetic, btu Ronnie was not. So, tell us what Ronnie doesn't have from an aesthetic standpoint that the other two do have.

Balance & proportion , SHAPE , structure , muscle continuity , muscle flow which goes back to proportion ! Chris and Flex made the list and Ronnie didn't I wonder why? Dorian has great calves , abs and delts and balance & proportion and he is NOT aesthetic , one can meet some of the criteria and still not be aesthetic.

The list

1. Bob Paris
2. Steve Reeves
3. Frank Zane
4. Labrada
5. Wheeler
6. Charles Clairmonte
7. Milos
8. deMey
9. Samir
10. Makkawy
11. Shawn Ray
12. Cormier
13. Thierry Pastel
14. Mendenhall
15. Haney
16. Nubret
17. Padilla
18. Sergio
19. Sonny Schmidt
20. Melvin Anthony

[Hulkster]

Fair call then.

Can you post that scanned pic and tell us what was wrong with Ronnie's abs in that shot?

And can you address this?

ND, looking at that pic that Hulkster posted from (1999?), you say that Cormier and Flex were aesthetic, btu Ronnie was not. So, tell us what Ronnie doesn't have from an aesthetic standpoint that the other two do have.

here is the pic from 96, and here is a screencap and a pic from 99:

[NarcissisticDeity]

this question has been posted to ND so many times over the last 2 years.

and he cannot come up with a logical answer

the real answer is out and out bias.

I've told you countless time , many many times you're full of shit ! you just don't get it because you think Ronnie is everything and he's NOT

and my logical answer never registered with the illogical mind thats in your head , " Dorian Yates is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time " " Dorian Yates conditioning was a myth "  " Lee Labrada has crappy abs and calves " I mean your brain just doesn't work in a logical manor. lol

[logical?]

Balance & proportion , SHAPE , structure , muscle continuity , muscle flow which goes back to proportion ! Chris and Flex made the list and Ronnie didn't I wonder why? Dorian has great calves , abs and delts and balance & proportion and he is NOT aesthetic , one can meet some of the criteria and still not be aesthetic.

The list

1. Bob Paris
2. Steve Reeves
3. Frank Zane
4. Labrada
5. Wheeler
6. Charles Clairmonte
7. Milos
8. deMey
9. Samir
10. Makkawy
11. Shawn Ray
12. Cormier
13. Thierry Pastel
14. Mendenhall
15. Haney
16. Nubret
17. Padilla
18. Sergio
19. Sonny Schmidt
20. Melvin Anthony

No, I meant what's wrong with Ronnie's aesthetics in that standing relaxed comparison shot, that isn't wrong with Flex and Chris?


I understand what you mean by aesthetics- you can define them by balance, proportion etc- but instead of just saying what you need, can you tell us why Ronnie doesn't have them and Chris and Flex do in that shot, please?

Further, looking at the first pic that Hulkster posted, we can clearly see that ROnnie looks markedly different when hitting a pose correctly- as compared with the second pic, when he isn't. So, what's wrong with the shape of the abs in the first pic?

[NarcissisticDeity]

here is the pic from 96, and here is a screencap and a pic from 99:

96 his abs look good , 99 their spread apart from protruding organs lol GH gut and gyno tend to ruin aesthetics !! as well as a gigantic overdeveloped ass  when your ass sticks out from the front that tends to put a damper on aesthetics.

and when your ass sticks out this much in back shots its NOT good.

[Hulkster]

Balance & proportion , SHAPE , structure , muscle continuity , muscle flow which goes back to proportion ! Chris and Flex made the list and Ronnie didn't I wonder why? Dorian has great calves , abs and delts and balance & proportion and he is NOT aesthetic , one can meet some of the criteria and still not be aesthetic.

The list

1. Bob Paris
2. Steve Reeves
3. Frank Zane
4. Labrada
5. Wheeler
6. Charles Clairmonte
7. Milos
8. deMey
9. Samir
10. Makkawy
11. Shawn Ray
12. Cormier
13. Thierry Pastel
14. Mendenhall
15. Haney
16. Nubret
17. Padilla
18. Sergio
19. Sonny Schmidt
20. Melvin Anthony

personally, I don't see how sergio was any more aesthetic than 98/99 Ronnie, and he still made the list. Yet more evidence that had ronnie maintained his late 90's look, he probably would have made the bottom few of the list..

[Hulkster]

96 his abs look good , 99 their spread apart from protruding organs lol GH gut and gyno tend to ruin aesthetics !! as well as a gigantic overdeveloped ass  when your ass sticks out from the front that tends to put a damper on aesthetics.

and when your ass sticks out this much in back shots its NOT good.

ND's glute comparison

[logical?]

No, I meant what's wrong with Ronnie's aesthetics in that standing relaxed comparison shot, that isn't wrong with Flex and Chris?


I understand what you mean by aesthetics- you can define them by balance, proportion etc- but instead of just saying what you need, can you tell us why Ronnie doesn't have them and Chris and Flex do in that shot, please?

Further, looking at the first pic that Hulkster posted, we can clearly see that ROnnie looks markedly different when hitting a pose correctly- as compared with the second pic, when he isn't. So, what's wrong with the shape of the abs in the first pic?

Waiting for an answer, ND.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No, I meant what's wrong with Ronnie's aesthetics in that standing relaxed comparison shot, that isn't wrong with Flex and Chris?


I understand what you mean by aesthetics- you can define them by balance, proportion etc- but instead of just saying what you need, can you tell us why Ronnie doesn't have them and Chris and Flex do in that shot, please?

Further, looking at the first pic that Hulkster posted, we can clearly see that ROnnie looks markedly different when hitting a pose correctly- as compared with the second pic, when he isn't. So, what's wrong with the shape of the abs in the first pic?

Chris looks better than both in that pose due to the fact he has the best natural overall structure , his clavicles are naturally wider than both Flex and Ronnie , his balance & proportion is better than both as well 
he has no weak points or strong points jumping out at you , compared to Ronnie who has okay calves and then GIANT quads , a small waist and a SUPERWIDE back he is an exaggeration of parts and also shape comes into play , Ronnie has gigantic quads but in my opinion Flex has more shapely quads , Flex also has better shaped abdominals , neither Flex or Chris has a back as wide as Ronnie but thats why their shots look more textbook to Ronnie's exaggerated shot , while Ronnie's is very impressive from an aesthetics standpoint its not .

[logical?]

Chris looks better than both in that pose due to the fact he has the best natural overall structure , his clavicles are naturally wider than both Flex and Ronnie , his balance & proportion is better than both as well 
he has no weak points or strong points jumping out at you , compared to Ronnie who has okay calves and then GIANT quads , a small waist and a SUPERWIDE back he is an exaggeration of parts and also shape comes into play , Ronnie has gigantic quads but in my opinion Flex has more shapely quads , Flex also has better shaped abdominals , neither Flex or Chris has a back as wide as Ronnie but thats why their shots look more textbook to Ronnie's exaggerated shot , while Ronnie's is very impressive from an aesthetics standpoint its not .

Ok, I get what you're saying. So it's the exaggeration- I guess the freakiness- which detracts from Ronnie's aesthetics?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ok, I get what you're saying. So it's the exaggeration- I guess the freakiness- which detracts from Ronnie's aesthetics?

Its a combo , shape , balance & proportions , flow etc , Ronnie has overdeveloped parts biceps/triceps and his forearms are lagging behind , gigantic quads and so-so calves ,a protruding belly , gynocomastia ,  a overdeveloped ass thats sticks way out thats not aesthetic , Ronnie may have been more aesthetic for Ronnie when he was lighter but he's no in the same sentence as Flex or Bob Paris.

[Hulkster]

Ok, I get what you're saying. So it's the exaggeration- I guess the freakiness- which detracts from Ronnie's aesthetics?

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I think having big quads with great sweep leading up to a tiny waist, followed by wide lats and shoulders is very desirable in terms of aesthetics in bodybuilding.


compare Zane and ronnie:

[logical?]

Its a combo , shape , balance & proportions , flow etc , Ronnie has overdeveloped parts biceps/triceps and his forearms are lagging behind , gigantic quads and so-so calves ,a protruding belly , gynocomastia ,  a overdeveloped ass thats sticks way out thats not aesthetic , Ronnie may have been more aesthetic for Ronnie when he was lighter but he's no in the same sentence as Flex or Bob Paris.

How do you think his shape compares to other Mr Olympias- Arnold, Franco, Lee, Dorian, Dickerson etc.

[NarcissisticDeity]

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I think having big quads with great sweep leading up to a tiny waist, followed by wide lats and shoulders is very desirable in terms of aesthetics in bodybuilding.


compare Zane and ronnie:

Its part of the criteria but NOT all of it.

[Hulkster]

notice that frank zane finished third on the list:

[Hulkster]

Its part of the criteria but NOT all of it.

yeah but I would say its a pretty big part of it...

[NarcissisticDeity]

How do you think his shape compares to other Mr Olympias- Arnold, Franco, Lee, Dorian, Dickerson etc.

At his best Ronnie has a nice shape , but that depends I think Arnold has a better shape that Ronnie and Arnold is not really considered aesthetic ( back then ) but now he would be , and Franco's shape was lacking , Haney has a better shape in my opinion and Dorian was never know for his overall shape , but like others he has some better shaped parts than Ronnie and vice versa , Dickerson was NOT Mr Olympia material in my book and Samir looked better than him in 82.

[Hulkster]

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah but I would say its a pretty big part of it...

You proved my point ! Zane doesn't have Ronnie's great taper or superwide back and yet he's aesthetic ! the most aesthetic guys don't have the best tapers , or the widest backs , just enough without compromising the whole effect.

[Hulkster]

here we have frank's microsized arms being dwarfed by the rest of his tiny body

[Hulkster]

You proved my point ! Zane doesn't have Ronnie's great taper or superwide back and yet he's aesthetic ! the most aesthetic guys don't have the best tapers , or the widest backs , just enough without compromising the whole effect.

I don't think he looks aesthetic at all.

anorexic maybe.

but not aesthetic.

I think ronnie's 98/9 physique is MUCH more pleasing to the eye, even with the 4 pack abs.

Ronnie has such better shape to all of his muscles, better taper, better quad flare, capped shoulders etc etc etc.

Zane looked flat - very one dimensional. Sort of like a door mat.

[NarcissisticDeity]

here we have frank's microsized arms being dwarfed by the rest of his tiny body

LMFAO when will you learn its NOT about size ? its a combo.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't think he looks aesthetic at all.

anorexic maybe.

but not aesthetic.

I think ronnie's 98/9 physique is MUCH more pleasing to the eye, even with the 4 pack abs.

Ronnie has such better shape to all of his muscles, better taper, better quad flare, capped shoulders etc etc etc.

Zane looked flat - very one dimensional. Sort of like a door mat.

Thank you again for proving another one of my points , which is you're basing your opinions on personal preference what YOU think is aesthetic and should be considered aesthetic , Zane does LOOK extremely undersized next to Ronnie and I would KILL to look like Zane in a minute especially compared to Ronnie or Dorian.

[Hulkster]

LMFAO when will you learn its NOT about size ? its a combo.

yes, but when you have such little size that you lack good shape, taper and fullness, its going a little too far.


I mean seriously..

[logical?]

At his best Ronnie has a nice shape , but that depends I think Arnold has a better shape that Ronnie and Arnold is not really considered aesthetic ( back then ) but now he would be , and Franco's shape was lacking , Haney has a better shape in my opinion and Dorian was never know for his overall shape , but like others he has some better shaped parts than Ronnie and vice versa , Dickerson was NOT Mr Olympia material in my book and Samir looked better than him in 82.

Pretty much agree with all of that except for Arnold. Arnold had too wide a waist and too over developed pecs with the result that some poses just looked wrong, such as the front lat spread. Can't imagine how you can give better aesthetics to Arnold when he had such poor balance and proportion compared to ROnnie.