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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17675 on: December 23, 2006, 09:16:09 AM »

front double bi:

shawn has far better symmetry thanks to two untorn arms. His biceps are just as large, with better shape and peak. He his a vaccum stomach. His quads are better shaped and have more detail. Much better quality throughout the whole pose.

Lat spread:
 
pecs are on a whole different level of quality, shape and detail. same for the quads. Midsection much tighter. good taper.



Face it ND: Shawn outclassed dorian in EVERY why that year except for shear muscular bulk.

but has you love to claim: people don't need to be bigger to beat someone. Just ask Flex wheeler.


Symmetry in bodybuilding does NOT refer to left/right being equal thats a common phallacy , it refers to balance & proportion , so right off that bat you're dead wrong , biceps you're correct vaccum adds to the impressiveness of the poses but it isn't a requirement , his quads are better shaped? lol thats a matter of your opinion m Shawn's quads are squared off , and in the front double biceps pose Shawn's upper separation is invisible , you can clearly see Dorian's satorius muscles in his quads opposed to Shawns , again you're found of blanket statements

Now this is where Dorian destroys Shawn in the pose , muscular bulk Dorian is 262 pounds and Shawn is 205 pounds if he's lucky thats a full and I mean full 57 pound quality muscle size advantage in Dorian favor , now Dorian has greater muscle density & thickness , now add in the fact that Shawn is also lacking in width  even relative width , Dorian is quite easily beating Shawn in this pose , Shawn looks better from an aesthetics standpoint in this pose but Dorian never won for being the prettiest body onstage

Lat spread:
 
pecs are on a whole different level of quality, shape and detail. same for the quads. Midsection much tighter. good taper.


LMFAO another blnaket statement of bullshit , pecs are on a whole different level of quality lol explain what the fuck thats suppose to me , please do , because like your other bullshit claim of Ronnie showing new levels of back development never before seen its an empty claim that you can't explain ! Dorian blows everyone out of the water in the front latspread and I mean everyone , no one could match him in this pose for you to claim one of the narrowest guys on the pro circuit can beat one of the widest is laughable , you laugh every time someone mentions Flex can beat Ronnie , your ace in the hole is Ronnie's greater width and its funny that Shawn who wasn't as wide as Flex can beat Yates but Flex can't beat Ronnie  ::) another completely fucking retarded statement

Rear double bi:

much better symmetry, much better detail. Far more detail and quality in the qlutes, hams and calves have a much more pleasing shape.


Again symmetry is a phallacy , much better detail? where ? stop fucking making blanket statements WHERE is the better detail in which muscles , its an empty claim and I'm dying for you to try and save face on this because I will lay the hammer down on you  ;) more blanket statements , more detail & quality BULLSHIT !! both had striated glutes in 1994 , hams give me a break and you have balls typing Shawn has a much more pleasing shape that Dorian who had among the best calves ever lol diamond shape calves are very sought after , Shawn calves are high and lack Dorian's great shape , you have to be the biggest fucking moron online to type this shit lol

Dorian absolutely crushes Shawn in width , detail , thickness , density , and muscular bulk , its no contest

Face it ND: Shawn outclassed dorian in EVERY why that year except for shear muscular bulk.

but has you love to claim: people don't need to be bigger to beat someone. Just ask Flex wheeler.



If Shawn was the better man he would have won , he wasn't but this is apparent to you because you're fucking clueless , you seriously are deranged thinking it was close , 2001 was close 1994 was close as well , close between second and third , enough of your blanket statements address the points you're claiming , I will hound you until you do.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17676 on: December 23, 2006, 09:20:38 AM »
how can you possibly agree with the statement that the torn bi does not affect balance? ::)

shows how little you know about bodybuilding ::):

you blindly follow whatever a judge says, without actually looking for yourself to see if it is true ::):


One bicep is shorter than the other that DOES NOT effect overall balance , look at Ronnie's calves one is smaller than the other yet you claim he has great balance you'e a hypocrite and an idiot , the I.F.B.B. judges said his bicep made NO overall difference , you can't argue with my knowledge of competitive bodybuilding , especially not when you have the balls to type Shawn Ray beats Dorian Yates in a fucking-latspread lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17677 on: December 23, 2006, 10:21:32 AM »
Lets critique Shawn's Ray's back and his back double biceps shot and lets see with what we come up with !


First thing that you notice is his lack of width , he has a middleweights torso and heavyweights arms , this isn't great balance by any stretch of the imagination

starting with the traps compared to Dorian , Dorian's traps especially when viewed from the back double biceps shot ate unreal , they're much more thicker & denser than Shawns , in reality there is NO comparison , with the exception of separation , Shawn's traps like Dorians show great separation from the deltoids and teres and lattismus

Teres major & minor , both show great detail & development of the teres major & minor , Dorian has the edge in thickness obviously

Lats , its NO contest at all not in terms of sweep , thickness , density , width , detail or development of the lower lats

Erector spinae - Shawn is pretty comparable in  terms of the x-mas tree but thats about it in the back department

Biceps in the back double biceps shot goes to Shawn because you can see his better

Triceps in the back double biceps shot are equal in terms of detail & development

Deltoids - Dorian's are clearly bigger and thicker , both are equal it terms of development of all three heads and separation

Glutes - both have striated glutes although Shawn might have a slight edge

Hams - equal in terms of detail , development and sepration

Calves - I mean like the back there is NO comparison none at all ! Dorian's are full diamond shaped , dense & massive , they are NOT lacking in any area , where Shawn's are high and still developed

Overall Dorian has better balance than Shawn , Shawn has middleweights calves , heavweights quads , middleweights torso , heabyweights arms , middlweights delts , overall his balance isn't that great at all but he still manages to have a very pleasing physique due to great distribution of his muscles , the shape , now you factor in all of the above only a idiot would say Shawn has a better back double biceps shot than Dorian .

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17678 on: December 23, 2006, 10:40:25 AM »
just as with sucky's endless banter full of misinformation, all it takes is one look at reality (not words on a page) to see that ND, like suckmyasshole, is full of inaccuracies, falsehoods, half truths, and lies:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17679 on: December 23, 2006, 10:41:21 AM »
ughhh dorian has some of the shitteist arms of all time. look at them in the rare double BI. they have no peak, are smallish and are stubby and soft.
are you listening ND?

I agree totally.

dorian's arms were as doughy as dempster's best offerings.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17680 on: December 23, 2006, 10:58:45 AM »
Hulky,have you ever seen the video of 1994? Unlike most of people here, i voted for dorian for that contest.
Even considering the minus of his torn biceps,dorian was too big and hard for shawn.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17681 on: December 23, 2006, 11:00:16 AM »
just as with sucky's endless banter full of misinformation, all it takes is one look at reality (not words on a page) to see that ND, like suckmyasshole, is full of inaccuracies, falsehoods, half truths, and lies:

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Your silence speaks VOLUMES your inability to counter my honest and objective argument proves how little you know , you're trapped in your own bullshit logic , like all your other posts you make blanket statements with NOTHING to back them up

please explain in detail , what is inaccurate about my post , what his false , what is a half truth and what is a lie , and aren't lies and falsehoods the same? you think if you type the same thing over that it means something new each time? Hulkster I called you out about your claims , like Shawn has a better quality chest , what do you mean by this and explain to me what is it about Shawns chest that makes his a ' quality ' chest and Dorian's NOT , and again stop running from me , if you feel my above post about the back double biceps pose is wrong , please explain to me in detail , what is inaccurate , what is false , what is a half truth , and what is a lie , STOP hiding behind pictures that are supposed to do the talking you're afraid to , I will call you out in every pose until you ignore me or do what you're deathly afraid of and thats typing an explanation.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17682 on: December 23, 2006, 11:03:10 AM »
LOL ND is melting down because dorian looked like a pile of doughy poo in 1994 and everyone knows it...
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17683 on: December 23, 2006, 11:05:28 AM »
wtf is an ironager like ND doing here defending Yorian Dates who eventually became the anti-thesis of "all that is good with bodybuilding"?  :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17684 on: December 23, 2006, 11:06:34 AM »
 well, for starters, ND, your comments about shawns "heavyweight arms on a middleweight torso" are totally false, wrong and inaccurate:

you don't get better balance in a back double bi than Shawn:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17685 on: December 23, 2006, 11:06:48 AM »
LOL ND is melting down because dorian looked like a pile of doughy poo in 1994 and everyone knows it...

Hulkster step up to the plate son  ;) lets see what you're made of.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17686 on: December 23, 2006, 11:07:10 AM »
wtf is an ironager like ND doing here defending Yorian Dates who eventually became the anti-thesis of "all that is good with bodybuilding"?  :-\

because he has no fucking clue what he is talking about..
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17687 on: December 23, 2006, 11:08:15 AM »
well, for starters, ND, your comments about shawns "heavyweight arms on a middleweight torso" are totally false, wrong and inaccurate:

you don't get better balance in a back double bi than Shawn:



You're taking a baby step but you're still wrong , middleweights toro and heavyweights arms

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17688 on: December 23, 2006, 11:08:24 AM »
Hulkster step up to the plate son  ;) lets see what you're made of.
oh, don't worry, you will get what coming to you, later though..

yes, due to a certifcation exam for work, I am a last minute christmas shopper this year :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17689 on: December 23, 2006, 11:11:06 AM »
Like Ronnie his biceps/triceps dwarf his deltoids in the back double biceps shot couple that with a middesweights torso and heavyweights quads and middleweights calves and thats NO balance my friend.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17690 on: December 23, 2006, 11:15:32 AM »
man, Flex's glutes and hams are soft there :o

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17691 on: December 23, 2006, 11:16:41 AM »
Middlweights back and heavyweights arms that dwarf his delts , heavyweights quads , middleweights calves , this is Shawn in the backdouble biceps shot and while his back shows great detail & separation its severly lacking in terms of thickness , width , density , to be honest with you he was very lucky to place second .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17692 on: December 23, 2006, 11:17:59 AM »
man, Flex's glutes and hams are soft there :o

Yes they were and Hulkster claimed Yates was a beaten man in 93 , beaten by Flex lol Flex was lucky to place second ahead of a sharper Shawn but his superior shape carried him that day.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17693 on: December 23, 2006, 11:21:56 AM »
I mean get fucking-serious Shawn has NOTHING for Yates in this pic .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17694 on: December 23, 2006, 11:26:14 AM »
Dorian at his absolute worse 1997 and there is NOT one person next to him who beats him in this pose , his calves are outstanding his hams are shredded , his glutes are striated , his back is massive and dry , his arms are fucked up at this point with a torn tricep/biceps but overall there isn't a competitor next to him to can beat him in this shot , not in terms of dryness , muscular bulk , development & separation !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17695 on: December 23, 2006, 11:42:35 AM »
To be honest, when you posted that picture it was Nasser's back that caught my eye!  I think it looks better than Dorian's back.  In the black in white picture after that I would say the edge goes to Dorian though.

Its not even close in the color shot , it really isn't , Nasser has a big thick back but it lacks , detail , separation , Dorian's density , and he's holding water in his back as well , Dorian's back lacks nothing compared to Nasser , but Nasser's is by comparison

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17696 on: December 23, 2006, 11:57:34 AM »
Going solely by that picture, it's hard to make out that Dorian's back is much harder or more separated.  The shading of the picture makes Nasser's back look bigger and I would give the superior arms and delts in that shot to Nasser, which has a way of completing a back double biceps pose.

Its easy to see Dorian's traps are thicker and much more well defined & separated , on Yates you can clearly see the separation from the teres major & minor , as well as the lats , all the detail in Nasser's back looks blurry for the simple fact is , his back isn't as dry as Dorians or Shawns who are both carrying less water , again this is apparent in the lats & erector spinae , Delts Nasser has bigger delts , separation may be equal you can't be 100% sure because as you can see in the pic Dorian's detail is getting washed out a tad from all the light on his delts & traps . triceps are a push on size and detail , Nasser has much bigger and clearly better biceps , Glutes Dorian's are striated and Nasser's aren't and the hams Nasser looks to have an edge in detail but again he's holding water , calves are most likely a push , overall Nasser isn't close in the back department not by a country mile , the only place where Nasser is clearly beating Dorian is biceps , hamstrings detail and delts however he's not as dry in these areas so thats a moot advantage.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17697 on: December 23, 2006, 12:07:35 PM »
Dorian at his absolute worse 1997 and there is NOT one person next to him who beats him in this pose , his calves are outstanding his hams are shredded , his glutes are striated , his back is massive and dry , his arms are fucked up at this point with a torn tricep/biceps but overall there isn't a competitor next to him to can beat him in this shot , not in terms of dryness , muscular bulk , development & separation !

Is that Dillet next to yates? Dillet really had a small back.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17698 on: December 23, 2006, 12:13:25 PM »
Dorian would have killed for Shawn's "heavyweight" arms..LOL

he might have had decent balance then...
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #17699 on: December 23, 2006, 12:14:25 PM »
Is that Dillet next to yates? Dillet really had a small back.

Yup thats Dillett and his back all but disappeared when he did the back double biceps pose.