Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

"The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized as these comparisons will help the judge to decide which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and definition.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-to-foot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately."

According to the IFBB criteria, it's obvious that Ronnie beats Dorian in the side chest. Ronnie has superior muscle bulk and definition, and ties in balance. Now factor in better muscle shape and vascularity. The pose specifically calls for the judges to pay particular attention to the pecs, biceps, hamstrings and calves, of which Ronnie wins 3 out of 4. This leaves Dorian with just calves. In the head-to-foot survey, Ronnie's delts are as large as Dorian's but more separated. He also had larger quads and more detail in his side leg. In conclusion, Ronnie clearly wins the side chest pose.

[Camel Jockey]

Jesus christ you fuckers are still at it?

[IceCold]

he did, incase you're blind. look again.

no.

this is the actual picture.

its a bit blurry, but i'm refering to the color of ronnie.

the color of ronnie in this picture matches everything else - pictuers, vhs, dvd, youtbube, etc.

your science fiction picture matches nothing and that's why it isnt accepted.

[IceCold]

Here is Coleman in 98 O and 99 O. He is dark in both pics. Now are you going to tell me that the 98 O video and pics are fake?

98 Olympia: He has a brighter background and still he looks dark.

99 Olympia: Darker background and he still looks as dark as the 98 Olympia
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2847826446600716095&q=Ronnie+Coleman

but the difference is ronnie in that clip on youtube matches every other source regarding the 98 olympia.

in other words, its been verified.

the google clip matches nothing else and is in direct contract to everything else. 

why cant you understand that?

[NeoSeminole]

but the difference is ronnie in that clip on youtube matches every other source regarding the 98 olympia.

in other words, its been verified.

the google clip matches nothing else and is in direct contract to everything else. 

why cant you understand that?

the screencaps you posts come from the YouTube clip. The screencaps we posts come from the Google Video clip. Two different sources with different screencaps. What is so hard for you to understand? Furthermore, what's not to say that the YouTube video was brightened b/c the original was too dark? The real kicker is that the source you claim is "fake" is actually clearer than the "real" source.

[IceCold]

I didn't say that. Everyone can see that Coleman has a better side chest than yates. Like  I said before, Ronnie said that before he won his six sandow. He now has eight.

so what if he said that when he had 6 vs. 8.

he's gotten worse every year.

its closer than you think for the side chest.

coleman has better upper arms, his front delts are a bit too developed, gyno, his hamstrings dont hang as much, and the calves.




coleman has never matched this conditioning.

so what if he has a few more details in his arms, he has never been this hard and dry.

[IceCold]

the screencaps you posts come from the YouTube clip. The screencaps we posts come from the Google Video clip. Two different sources with different screencaps. What is so hard for you to understand? Furthermore, what's not to say that the YouTube video was brightened b/c the original was too dark? The real kicker is that the source you claim is "fake" is actually clearer than the "real" source.

why you dont understand is that no other media source matches the google clips

why you dont understand is that no other media source matches the google clips.

why you dont understand is that no other media source matches the google clips

different sources?

they why does everything else match the youtube clip - pictures, vhs, dvd, etc.

they are all different sources but yet ronnie's color is the same in all of them.

the only source that ronnie's color is different (the google clips) is the supposedly the original.

does that sound logical?

nothing matches it and everything else is fake.

dont think so. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

"The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized as these comparisons will help the judge to decide which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and definition.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-to-foot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately."

According to the IFBB criteria, it's obvious that Ronnie beats Dorian in the side chest. Ronnie has superior muscle bulk and definition, and ties in balance. Now factor in better muscle shape and vascularity. The pose specifically calls for the judges to pay particular attention to the pecs, biceps, hamstrings and calves, of which Ronnie wins 3 out of 4. This leaves Dorian with just calves. In the head-to-foot survey, Ronnie's delts are as large as Dorian's but more separated. He also had larger quads and more detail in his side leg. In conclusion, Ronnie clearly wins the side chest pose.

Superior bulk when? 2003? Dorian beats Ronnie in bulk 1998/1999/2001 . 2003 Ronnie has more bulk but how much of that is lean muscle mass?  superior bulk if its quality mass not waterlogged muscle and definition is conditioning and you're very lucky if Ronnie has equal conditioning in 98/01 but both years he lags behind in bulk , density and balance and NO WAY shape or form its balance & proportion a tie , keep dreaming

Better muscle shape? says who? you ?  you can pick and choose parts that have better shape but please spare me the blanket statements and vasculairty    get the hook

Pecs Dorian's pecs are harder & denser so lets pay attention to the pecs not just size but size & hardness & density and thats Dorian's forte , biceps Ronnie hamstrings equal , calves Dorian , Delts ? give me a break Dorian's have all three heads developed equally Ronnie has overdeveloped front & side delts and Dorian's have equal if NOT better separation , Ronnie has larger quads thanks for reminding me his balance sucks  and those large quads make his tint calves even more noticable and the separation of the quad from the leg biceps is equal and the development , detail and separation of the calves are NOT not to mention Dorian clearly having the edge in arch of the ribcage , now factor in the other criteria balance & proportion from head to toe , muscluar density , conditioning , proper execution of the pose and Ronnie conceding Dorian has the best side chest he's ever personally seen and the obvious becomes apparent , Dorian like the side triceps , front & rear lats , and ab-thigh owns the side chest shot !

[NarcissisticDeity]

Get serious Dorian owns this shot and always did

[NarcissisticDeity]

Owning Kevin who was no slouch in the side chest shot

[Iceman1981]

no.

this is the actual picture.

its a bit blurry, but i'm refering to the color of ronnie.

the color of ronnie in this picture matches everything else - pictuers, vhs, dvd, youtbube, etc.

your science fiction picture matches nothing and that's why it isnt accepted.

It isn't accepted only by you yates nuthuggers because as ND says "you fear" the pics. So please try again.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is Ronnie in the side chest shot , look at the front & side delts dominate this shot , his pecs while huge are being obscured from their full potential and his conditioning is no where near Dorian 95 , lots of volume not much density , Dorian's chest looks like solid blocks of chiseled granite , technically Ronnie has a mediocre side chest shot and Dorian's is textbook.

[Iceman1981]

but the difference is ronnie in that clip on youtube matches every other source regarding the 98 olympia.

in other words, its been verified.

the google clip matches nothing else and is in direct contract to everything else. 

why cant you understand that?

You're the one that can't understand. If he is the same color from different years that clearly means that the video and pics are real you moron. It's not rocket science. lol, you're just a straight joke. What a waste of a brain. No wonder this world is a mess, it's people like you who have no common sense.

[NarcissisticDeity]

It isn't accepted only by you yates nuthuggers because as ND says "you fear" the pics. So please try again.

Coleman fans do fear Yates at his best for a reason hence why the crappy comparisons and slanted ones .

Yates crushes Ronnie in the side chest from top to bottom

[NarcissisticDeity]

You're the one that can't understand. If he is the same color from different years that clearly means that the video and pics are real you moron. It's not rocket science. lol, you're just a straight joke. What a waste of a brain. No wonder this world is a mess, it's people like you who have no common sense.

Wait are you claiming the YouTube version is not accurate?

[Iceman1981]

Coleman fans do fear Yates at his best for a reason hence why the crappy comparisons and slanted ones .

Yates crushes Ronnie in the side chest from top to bottom

Well, the last few days you've been posting some crappy comparisons and slanted ones, so stop bytching.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Well, the last few days you've been posting some crappy comparisons and slanted ones, so stop bytching.

LMFAO I've been posting shots of Ronnie at his best or close to it  I don't fear Ronnie at his best he's down in most of the criteria anyway

[NeoSeminole]

why you dont understand is that no other media source matches the google clips

different sources?

they why does everything else match the youtube clip - pictures, vhs, dvd, etc.

they are all different sources but yet ronnie's color is the same in all of them.

the only source that ronnie's color is different (the google clips) is the supposedly the original.

does that sound logical?

nothing matches it and everything else is fake.

dont think so.

okay, I will make this very simple for you b/c you seem to have difficulty.

okay, I will make this very simple for you b/c you seem to have difficulty.

okay, I will make this very simple for you b/c you seem to have difficulty.

First of all, you are comparing a prejudging video to an evening show video. It's possible they used different video cameras or the lighting changed. Perhaps Ronnie applied another coat of tanning oil. Any number of factors could have affected his skin color.

Second, nothing else matches the YouTube clip. So I could just as easily say that's the "fake" video. Here are pics taken from the 99 Mr. Olympia. Notice how Ronnie's skin color looks different in each. Care to tell me which are the "real" and "fake" pics?











Third, does it make sense the "fake" pics are clearer than the "originals?" Are you honestly telling me that someone magically boosted the resolution from blurry pics and increased the contrast to make Ronnie look better?

[NarcissisticDeity]

The picture you posted is a crappy scan this one is clearer

[NarcissisticDeity]

Now this is ascreencaps & scan there is a noticeable difference

[NeoSeminole]

Superior bulk when? 2003? Dorian beats Ronnie in bulk 1998/1999/2001 . 2003 Ronnie has more bulk but how much of that is lean muscle mass? superior bulk if its quality mass not waterlogged muscle and definition is conditioning and you're very lucky if Ronnie has equal conditioning in 98/01 but both years he lags behind in bulk , density and balance and NO WAY shape or form its balance & proportion a tie , keep dreaming

unless you can show me where Dorian beats Ronnie in bulk, I stand by my comment. I think you are confusing total body mass with muscle bulk. You assume that Dorian must have been larger due to his weight. In theory, you would be correct. Did Dorian have larger arms? No. In fact, they were smaller. Were his pecs larger? No. Again, they were smaller. Did he have bigger delts? No. His were smaller than Ronnie's. Was Dorian back larger? No. They were actually tied in size. Did he have larger thighs? No. They were smaller. So how does Dorian have smaller arms, delts, pecs, and thighs yet have greater muscle bulk than Ronnie?

Better muscle shape? says who? you ? you can pick and choose parts that have better shape but please spare me the blanket statements and vasculairty

Muscle shape isn't even up for debate. Dorian makes Ronnie look like Bob Paris. Ronnie's muscles are much rounder and fuller than Dorian's. His biceps have better peaks, his quads have more sweep, his pecs are wider and longer, and his back doesn't flatten out in the rear double biceps.

[NeoSeminole]

Now this is ascreencaps & scan there is a noticeable difference

can you make a comparison with this pic? I want to see if there is a noticable difference in color?

[RocketSwitch625]

His biceps look 2D in this pic. They are peaked but lack fullness. Yates' biceps may not have been as peaked but they were definitely rounder and fuller.

[NeoSeminole]

His biceps look 2D in this pic. They are peaked but lack fullness. Yates' biceps may not have been as peaked but they were definitely rounder and fuller.

bwahahahaha, Rocketfag is a comedian I see.

[NarcissisticDeity]

unless you can show me where Dorian beats Ronnie in bulk, I stand by my comment. I think you are confusing total body mass with muscle bulk. You assume that Dorian must have been larger due to his weight. In theory, you would be correct. Did Dorian have larger arms? No. In fact, they were smaller. Were his pecs larger? No. Again, they were smaller. Did he have bigger delts? No. His were smaller than Ronnie's. Was Dorian back larger? No. They were actually tied in size. Did he have larger thighs? No. They were smaller. So how does Dorian have smaller arms, delts, pecs, and thighs yet have greater muscle bulk than Ronnie?

Muscle shape isn't even up for debate. Dorian makes Ronnie look like Bob Paris. Ronnie's muscles are much rounder and fuller than Dorian's. His biceps have better peaks, his quads have more sweep, his pecs are wider and longer, and his back doesn't flatten out in the rear double biceps.

Dorian weighs 260 pounds at 5'10" and Ronnie weighed 257 pounds at 5'11" Dorian has the edge in muscular bulk period , Dorian carries less water & sq fat and Ronnie is carrying more water & sq fat therefore Dorian's 260 pounds is more lean muscle than Ronnie , in fact Dorian's muscular bulk is distributed more evenly over his body than Ronnie hence the better balance

You claim Ronnie had larger arms , how do you know? you don't know how big eithers were so don't claim information you don't have , Ronnie's arms would taper larger than Dorian's however it might be closer than you think Ronnie extra arm size may come from his highpeaked biceps so their triceps may be equal in size , and Dorian's forearms may be larger than Ronnies so don't make blanket statements

Were his pecs larger? in terms of what volume? probably not but the judges ask for density as well remember that , and Delts? how did you come to the conclusion that Ronnie's delts are bigger? please explain this to me and if they were it goes back to volume , who delts were denser? harder? follow that down the line of criteria 

Muscle shape is very much up for debate absolutely being the typical Coleman fan you are you highlight what YOU think is better and just gloss right over the rest and Ronnie & Bob Paris in the same sentence 

Calves - Dorian's are clearly better shaped , diamond shaped
Triceps - Dorians
Forearms - Dorian
Abdominals - Dorian
Back - Dorian from top to bottom , and Yates lats insert lower , bigger and better shaped traps
Glutes - Dorian's don't stick out like Ronnies

So Ronnie has the edge in some shape and so does Yates , please spare me the old tired routine that Ronnie has better overall shape like that mans ANYTHING it doesn't you act like you're talking about Flex Wheeler or something and the top twenty most aesthetic bodybuilders in the history of the sport Dorian beat eight of them , Dorian never had an aesthetic or shapely physique thats NOT why he won he doesn't need to be like Ronnie to beat Ronnie , he was Dorian and that did him just fine.