Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

  No, he didn't look like that onstage; he looked better! This is what your dumbass doese't uderstand! On stage, he was in full colors, at 3% bodyfat, dehydrated, with oil applied to him and ideal lighting! Get it? I don't need to defend Dorian's side chest shot, because he won it with straight-firsts scores from all judges!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Ha Ha Ha owned hey how about Genius Neo who thinks that Ronnie while being lighter is actually bigger than Yates? lol

[Hulkster]

Wrong ! at his best Dorian has ZERO balance issues

how do you argue with this kind of naivity and delusion?

 

look at the balance between shawn and flex's arms vs upper body compared to dorian's. Dorian looks like a barrel with twigs.

ND, you really don't know what balance and proprotion are do you?

[Hulkster]

dorian would get KILLED in the symmetry round...

[suckmymuscle]

Oh, my fucking God! Sperm continues to insist on the bullshit that Ronnie had much bigger chest, triceps, delts and quads than Dorian in 1999!!! How dumb can a single f**cker possibly be?

 Try to understand this, dumbass: since they weighted the same, it is physically impossible for Ronnie to be bigger than Dorian. This is not even bodybuilding, but physics: pounds are the units used to measure mass, and mass cannot be increased without a concomitant increase in pounds! Sure, Ronnie had some larger muscles than Dorian, but this means that Dorian had some larger muscles than Ronnie to compensate for it.

 As for Ronnie's muscles looking bigger, there are two explanations: Ronnie's muscles are rounder, and his joints, smaller. This creates a visual appearance of size, akin Wheeler. It does not mean that Ronnie's muscles were bigger in terms of measurements, which are absolute and mathematical. You can't get over this basic fact. Ronnie's arms were around 21" in 1999, vs 20" for Dorian, so Ronnie's triceps cannot be bigger than Dorian's because Coleman's biceps are clearly bigger.

As for Ronnie carrying more lean mass, this is absurd, unless you can demonstrate that Dorian's skeletal frame weighted significantly more than Ronnie's. You can't do it. Like I said, they probably tied in this category, since Dorian's frame was larger, but Ronnie, in virtue of being Black, has greater bone density - that Black Men have much heavier bones than Whites is a well-acknowledged fact in medical science. We can only speculate about this, but what we know for sure is:
 
- They weighted the same, but Dorian had less water inside his muscles, because they were never as full as Ronnie's: more lean mass for Dorian.

- Dorian was drier, which means that he had less subcutaneous water: more lean mass for Dorian.
 
- Ronnie's gut was more distended than Dorian's ever was even in 1999, and this is a fact that cannot be disputed. A gut weights more than a wide waist - exactly the reason why, when a person gains weight, first the waist widens and then the belly grows: more lean mass for Dorian.

You can't dispute any of these facts. You got owned brutally by yours truly, although I'm sure that you will continue to insist in your idiotic points and ignore my post, out of pure spite, to save face. After this beating I've just given you, you need to have no self-respect to continue posting at this thread. Ops, I guess that means you will...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian would get KILLED in the symmetry round...

What a complete fool Dorian never lost a symmetry round ever  Dorian never got ' killed ' in any round lol

[Hulkster]

What a complete fool Dorian never lost a symmetry round ever  Dorian never got ' killed ' in any round lol

and yet you say the judging was spot on

[NeoSeminole]

Ha Ha Ha owned hey how about Genius Neo who thinks that Ronnie while being lighter is actually bigger than Yates? lol

I already asked you where else besides the midsection and calves was Dorian bigger than Ronnie? So far you haven't answered.

[NeoSeminole]

Oh, my fucking God! Sperm continues to insist on the bullshit that Ronnie had much bigger chest, triceps, delts and quads than Dorian in 1999!!! How dumb can a single f**cker possibly be?

 Try to understand this, dumbass: since they weighted the same, it is physically impossible for Ronnie to be bigger than Dorian. This is not even bodybuilding, but physics: pounds are the units used to measure mass, and mass cannot be increased without a concomitant increase in pounds! Sure, Ronnie had some larger muscles than Dorian, but this means that Dorian had some larger muscles than Ronnie to compensate for it.

 As for Ronnie's muscles looking bigger, there are two explanations: Ronnie's muscles are rounder, and his joints, smaller. This creates a visual appearance of size, akin Wheeler. It does not mean that Ronnie's muscles were bigger in terms of measurements, which are absolute and mathematical. You can't get over this basic fact. Ronnie's arms were around 21" in 1999, vs 20" for Dorian, so Ronnie's triceps cannot be bigger than Dorian's because Coleman's biceps are clearly bigger.

As for Ronnie carrying more lean mass, this is absurd, unless you can demonstrate that Dorian's skeletal frame weighted significantly more than Ronnie's. You can't do it. Like I said, they probably tied in this category, since Dorian's frame was larger, but Ronnie, in virtue of being Black, has greater bone density - that Black Men have much heavier bones than Whites is a well-acknowledged fact in medical science. We can only speculate about this, but what we know for sure is:
 
- They weighted the same, but Dorian had less water inside his muscles, because they were never as full as Ronnie's: more lean mass for Dorian.

- Dorian was drier, which means that he had less subcutaneous water: more lean mass for Dorian.
 
- Ronnie's gut was more distended than Dorian's ever was even in 1999, and this is a fact that cannot be disputed. A gut weights more than a wide waist - exactly the reason why, when a person gains weight, first the waist widens and then the belly grows: more lean mass for Dorian.

You can't dispute any of these facts. You got owned brutally by yours truly, although I'm sure that you will continue to insist in your idiotic points and ignore my post, out of pure spite, to save face. After this beating I've just given you, you need to have no self-respect to continue posting at this thread. Ops, I guess that means you will...

monster meltdown of epic proportions.

[NarcissisticDeity]

how do you argue with this kind of naivity and delusion?

 

look at the balance between shawn and flex's arms vs upper body compared to dorian's. Dorian looks like a barrel with twigs.

ND, you really don't know what balance and proprotion are do you?

Shawn's balance is okay he has high/small calves for his quads , another one with a narrow back and heavyweights arms that dwarf his delts , bad examples and Flex lol not known for his balance either , nice try.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and yet you say the judging was spot on

Hulkster you're posting a strawman its an empty comparison and yes according to the criteria the judging was dead-on and its 1993 he shamed everyone in that show

[NarcissisticDeity]

I already asked you where else besides the midsection and calves was Dorian bigger than Ronnie? So far you haven't answered.

It doesn't matter what parts YOU think are bigger that has NOTHING to do with muscular bulk Dorian's weight is more evenly distributed than Ronnie's , Ronnie has tiny calves GIANT quads tiny waist BIG back tiny forearms GIANT biceps/triceps its NOT about parts being bigger its about parts blending together as a whole

You dry Ronnie 99 out completely Yates' style and you have a 244 pound 2001 Ronnie and Yates was this dry at 260 pounds a feat Ronnie never duplicated , whenever Ronnie went over 249 pounds he carried water this is a fact .

[NarcissisticDeity]

monster meltdown of epic proportions.

Nonsense he makes a lot of valid points reguardless of you agree.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Clearly a noticeable difference in balance & proportion

[NeoSeminole]

It doesn't matter what parts YOU think are bigger that has NOTHING to do with muscular bulk Dorian's weight is more evenly distributed than Ronnie's , Ronnie has tiny calves GIANT quads tiny waist BIG back tiny forearms GIANT biceps/triceps its NOT about parts being bigger its about parts blending together as a whole

completely irrelevant since the issue of size has never been a matter of what I think. I don't "think" Ronnie had larger arms no more than you think Dorian had larger calves. I go by visual evidence that is plainly there for everyone to see. Let's assume that we didn't know Dorian's and Ronnie's weights. Just by looking at pics, you can tell that Ronnie had larger muscles than Dorian. Furthermore, I strongly disagree about Dorian's weight being more evenly distributed. Dorian's enormous midsection held a lot more weight than Ronnie's. However, they both weighed the same which meant that Dorian carried less bulk in his extremities. Ronnie had a much smaller midsection. So his weight was more evenly distributed on his frame, such as his arms and legs.

[NeoSeminole]

Nonsense he makes a lot of valid points reguardless of you agree.

all of his points have been refuted by myself and others. He is under the delusion that if he repeats himself enough times, somehow this makes him right.

[NeoSeminole]

Clearly a noticeable difference in balance & proportion

oh yes, just look at Dorian's balance. He has 17" arms to go with his enormous back.

[NarcissisticDeity]

completely irrelevant since the issue of size has never been a matter of what I think. I don't "think" Ronnie had larger arms no more than you think Dorian had larger calves. I go by visual evidence that is plainly there for everyone to see. Let's assume that we didn't know Dorian's and Ronnie's weights. Just by looking at pics, you can tell that Ronnie had larger muscles than Dorian. Furthermore, I strongly disagree about Dorian's weight being more evenly distributed. Dorian's enormous midsection held a lot more weight than Ronnie's. However, they both weighed the same which meant that Dorian carried less bulk in his extremities. Ronnie had a much smaller midsection. So his weight was more evenly distributed on his frame, such as his arms and legs.

Dorian is still 260 pounds dry to the bone and Ronnie is 257 pounds carrying water Dorian weighs more and has less fat & water Dorian is clearly carrying more muscular bulk and Dorian carries less bulk in his extremeities? the extremities are his forearms & calves two areas Dorian clearly has more bulk lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh yes, just look at Dorian's balance. He has 17" arms to go with his enormous back.

Your comparison is garbage and your your critique is nonsense 17" arms  you're like Hulkster you can't counter the criteria and that has been your undoing

Can you find pics of Yates unbalanced yes , at his best NO , you can post all the slanted comparisons but you can't counter the IFBB criteria

[NarcissisticDeity]

Team Yates obviously just looks for different qualities than Team Coleman.  Frankly, Coleman's trimmer waist and superior taper coupled with his much larger arms and more shredded upper body beat out Dorian's better abs, calves, and more shredded back in my opinion.  They both have guts but I think Coleman's is more forgivable because having a gut sit on a small waist is better than having a gut attached to better abs but a bigger waist.

These are all just opinions.  I suspect that if you were to poll most pros and judges, the consensus would be that Coleman is the better bodybuilder at his best, but it comes down to what you look for.

This is the ' qualities ' I look for when judging the two and hate to break it to you this favors Yates.

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian is still 260 pounds dry to the bone and Ronnie is 257 pounds carrying water Dorian weighs more and has less fat & water Dorian is clearly carrying more muscular bulk and Dorian carries less bulk in his extremeities? the extremities are his forearms & calves two areas Dorian clearly has more bulk lol

yawn, you've got nothing kid. Your ENTIRE argument revolves around numbers which is easily disproven with visual evidence. Please show me where Dorian was larger. I challenge you to make accurate comparisons for each muscle group. The only areas where Dorian was noticably bigger than Ronnie is the midsection and calves. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes and quads, and ties in back and forearms. I'm not doubting that Dorian weighed 3 lbs more. However, I think you are confusing total body mass with muscle bulk.

[haider]

yawn, you've got nothing kid. Your ENTIRE argument revolves around numbers which is easily disproven with visual evidence. Please show me where Dorian was larger. I challenge you to make accurate comparisons for each muscle group. The only areas where Dorian was noticably bigger than Ronnie is the midsection and calves. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes and quads, and ties in back and forearms. I'm not doubting that Dorian weighed 3 lbs more. However, I think you are confusing total body mass with muscle bulk.

does it even matter who weighed more, considering Ronnie looked larger from the pics I've seen? WTF?

[Hulkster]

completely irrelevant since the issue of size has never been a matter of what I think. I don't "think" Ronnie had larger arms no more than you think Dorian had larger calves. I go by visual evidence that is plainly there for everyone to see. Let's assume that we didn't know Dorian's and Ronnie's weights. Just by looking at pics, you can tell that Ronnie had larger muscles than Dorian. Furthermore, I strongly disagree about Dorian's weight being more evenly distributed. Dorian's enormous midsection held a lot more weight than Ronnie's. However, they both weighed the same which meant that Dorian carried less bulk in his extremities. Ronnie had a much smaller midsection. So his weight was more evenly distributed on his frame, such as his arms and legs.

agreed. Ronnie's bulk was much better placed than dorian's.

Ronnie 98/9 had the classic bodybuilder look: wide shoulders, wide back, narrow waist,  quads with great sweep.

dorian had the more modern construction worker look : monster barrel waist, small arms, wide back, modern H-taper

[Hulkster]

does it even matter who weighed more, considering Ronnie looked larger from the pics I've seen? WTF?

no. the weight is not the issue.

its how the weight is distributed over the skeletal frame that is the difference.

And Ronnie has a massive edge over dorian here:

Dorian has a massive upper torso, with arms far out of balance, even in his 93 best.

Ronnie on the other thand, had great proportions, save for his undersized calves.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yawn, you've got nothing kid. Your ENTIRE argument revolves around numbers which is easily disproven with visual evidence. Please show me where Dorian was larger. I challenge you to make accurate comparisons for each muscle group. The only areas where Dorian was noticably bigger than Ronnie is the midsection and calves. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes and quads, and ties in back and forearms. I'm not doubting that Dorian weighed 3 lbs more. However, I think you are confusing total body mass with muscle bulk.

What are you trying to be me now ? seeing your arguments fail ? Yawn and kid? lol you know what they say if you can't beat em join em , I got you  again like sucky pointed out Ronnie has smaller joints which aids in the ILLUSION of Ronnie being bigger , you're argument that Ronnie is bigger despite being lighter and carrying more sq fat & water is worthless its hallow its laughable

This is an accurate comparison because it's real look at the difference in back width despite Dorian being just 7 pounds heavier now imagine Yates who was much fuller at 260 pounds in 95 give me a break

Ronnie 5'11" 257 pounds carrying water and SQ fat
Dorian 5'10" 260 pounds rock hard and bone dry

Dorian clearly has more muscular bulk , muscular bulk is quality muscular size sans fat & water so reguardless of what you think is bigger despite making claims of parts BEING bigger because they look bigger

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie isn't even done spreading his lats in that pic. Anyone with a brain can see that.