Author Topic: Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce  (Read 3481981 times)

gcb

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2283
  • you suffer, why?
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21025 on: January 14, 2007, 11:13:31 PM »
no way is that dorian the arms are too big

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21026 on: January 15, 2007, 12:58:17 AM »
and the dorian side lectures US about knowing the judging criteria ::)

Now, detail is a 'bullshit term' ::)

Pubic, either go back to worshipping Ronnie or stay off the thread.

you are an embarassment to your side.

If I were ND, I would tell you to shut up 8)

You never knew the criteria until I posted it  ;) and you still don't know how to apply it , you're under this delusional that Ronnie has better balance and Dorian is smooth lol I've been lecturing you and the other ignorants about the judging well before this thread started because I knew the rules you didn't and still don't , remember your official criteria? x-frame and lumpiness? lol oh and these gems Ronnie has better ' detail ' in his calves than Dorian and going by the criteria Dorian should have lost the Olympia in 93 to Flex lol it gets better though 1994 was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980 according to you , yet 01 Olympia Jay outright beats Ronnie in the whole prejudging and you have the balls to say Ronnie DOMINATED Jay from the back , not he edge him out from the back , you claimed Ronnie DOMINATED Jay from the back , and we're to believe you know the criteria? lmao how does one dominate , despite losing? its an oxymoron  ;) Ronnie goes on to just barely beat Jay by just 4 points another of the closest Mr Olympias in the history of the sport and you have the balls to claim 94 was controversial , again I just pinpointed & Highlighted just how little YOU and the rest of Camp-Delusional know about judging physique contests

Now to top it off you have the balls to claim Ronnie beats Dorian in the front latspread lol another baseless rookie-assessment , Dorian has owned this pose for years and I still haven't seen anyone who can match Dorian in this pose , now you interpret what you want out of the criteria and what YOU think Ronnie has the edge in and gloss over everything that favors Yates , well allow me to correct your ignorance for the umpteenth time

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Dorian in this and every mandatory pose has better balanced development , depending on the year greater muscular bulk , muscular density oh and he has better conditioning as well , you insist on saying Dorian is ' smooth ' as if he's holding water its a pathetic attempt to undermine one of his greatest strengths his outstanding muscle hardness & dryness , you use strawmen ' advantages ' like Ronnie has a striated chest in this pose lol to imply A ) Dorian's chest isn't showing visible striations in his chest so therefore he's holding water and B.) Dorian's quads are ' smooth ' another attempt to imply Dorian is carrying water

Now is Dorian carrying any water in 1995? NO not by a long shot , so when you keep posting he's smooth its an empty assessment , does Dorian's chest show any striations in this particular pose? NO is Dorian's chest striated in 95? YES Dorian absolutely crushes Ronnie and everyone else in the front latspread , pay attention to the criteria and look at the picture and then you have nothing to work with

Does Ronnie have more balanced development that Dorian in this pose ? NO
Does Ronnie have better muscle density than Dorian in this pose? NO
Does Ronnie have greater muscular bulk on this pose? NO ( not at his best )
Does Ronnie have better conditioning than Dorian in this pose? 99 NO 98/01 ASC a push


So by using the Official IFBB Judging criteria and not the fantasy Hulkster reaching for straws criteria its abundantly clear to any non-biased intelligent OBJECTIVE person that Ronnie simply gets outclassed in this pose in particular and the other mandatory poses.

You've just been throughly school by me .  ;)

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21027 on: January 15, 2007, 01:48:43 AM »
Personally I prefer Milos' look in this picture:


From a competitive point of view though, it would go to Dorian of course.

From an aesthetics standpoint so do I , however there are other criteria .

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21028 on: January 15, 2007, 03:37:59 AM »
excuses excuses. I've had to entertain your stupidity for the last 800 pages. ;)

Your original claim was

" bwahahahaha, Danny Padilla's arms were the same size as Dorian's"

and then you continued with the same theme

Padilla was known for his outstanding balance. Dorian's arms were the same size as his, yet Dorian outweighed him by almost 100 lbs

After I pointed out how ridiculous your assessment was you modified your statement

now you're getting frustrated. Whenever you cannot intelligently defend your position, you resort to lame excuses like "yawn" and "is that the best you can manage?" I never said that Danny has over 20" arms. I merely commented that his arms are the same size as Dorian's in your comparison (assuming it's accurate). By the way, I'm still not convinced that Dorian had 21" arms. So it's not entirely farfetched that Danny's and Dorian's arms were almost the same size.

You NEVER originally claimed that his arms are the same size as Dorian's in my comparison that is your modification because its an absurd claim either way and you realized this after I laughed at you  and thus modified your response and still cling to the absurd statement that its not ' farfetched ' that their arms were almost the same , which is still an ignorant and insanely retarded statement

and then you modified it even more ( out of fear ) with this statement

I think, realistically speaking, that Danny had 18-19" arms and Dorian had 20-20.5" arms. Lee Priest is 2 inches taller than Danny and his arms are 21". So they would still appear proportionately larger than Danny's.

You realized your original statement was insanely dumb and modified it and still clinged to the idea they were ' almost the same ' they further modified by ' 18-19 ' VS Dorian's ' 20-20.5 ' which directly contradicts  your ( dumbass ) claim Danny's and Dorian's arms were almost the same size. thats an up to a two-inch discrepancy which isn't anywhere near ' almost the same size '

Now to further embarrass you for your stupidity & ignorance , while on the topic of arm size  , the only verified accurate measuring or Arnold's Schwarzenegger's arms was done by Arthur Jones and they measured 19.75" now according to your logic Danny Padilla despite being almost a full foot shorter has arms BIGGER than Arnold because lets recall your original statement 

I'm still not convinced that Dorian had 21" arms. So it's not entirely farfetched that Danny's and Dorian's arms were almost the same size.
[/b]

Now lets use your modified statement

I think, realistically speaking, that Danny had 18-19" arms

if we take the 19" measurement you claim Danny has arms 99% as big as Arnold despite being a foot shorter LMMFAO and even if we use the 18" arm measurement its still 90% as big as Arnolds despite being a full foot shorter , see how retarded your claim his? do you see how stupid it is to say Danny & Dorian had the same size arms? and you have the balls to type you've entertained my stupidty for 800 pages lol

You've just been throughly school by me  ;)

NeoSeminole

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5589
  • Ronnie > Dorian
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21029 on: January 15, 2007, 04:03:34 AM »
ND, you are taking my quote too literally. I was joking when I said that Dorian's and Danny's arms were the same size. Obviously they were not. Hence, why I later said "realistically speaking." I do believe their arms were very close in size. Danny's arms hold their own with Dorian's in your comparison. Let's assume that it's not accurate. Even if Danny were actually shorter, it would only be by a few inches. His arms in the pic wouldn't shrink much.

Regarding your comment about Arnold, I based Danny's arm measurement on Dorian since both appeared very close in size in your comparison. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian's arms were 19 inches. However, I knew the Dorian nuthuggers would throw a hissy fit. So I gave him the benefit of a doubt and rounded his arm up to 20-20.5 inches. I estimated Danny's arm measurment from this. If Dorian's arms were indeed 19 inches, then Danny's would have been 17-18 inches.


NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21030 on: January 15, 2007, 08:03:53 AM »
ND, you are taking my quote too literally. I was joking when I said that Dorian's and Danny's arms were the same size. Obviously they were not. Hence, why I later said "realistically speaking." I do believe their arms were very close in size. Danny's arms hold their own with Dorian's in your comparison. Let's assume that it's not accurate. Even if Danny were actually shorter, it would only be by a few inches. His arms in the pic wouldn't shrink much.

Regarding your comment about Arnold, I based Danny's arm measurement on Dorian since both appeared very close in size in your comparison. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian's arms were 19 inches. However, I knew the Dorian nuthuggers would throw a hissy fit. So I gave him the benefit of a doubt and rounded his arm up to 20-20.5 inches. I estimated Danny's arm measurment from this. If Dorian's arms were indeed 19 inches, then Danny's would have been 17-18 inches.

]

I'm taking your quote to literally ? how else am I supposed to take it? seriously? I can only respond to what you type . and spare me with Yates' arms being 19"  ::)

Iceman1981

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5184
  • www.LegendsOfBodybuilding.com
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21031 on: January 15, 2007, 10:37:07 AM »
it's scary how similar they look. They even have the same proportions.





This has to be the funniest post I have seen in a while.

Iceman1981

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5184
  • www.LegendsOfBodybuilding.com
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21032 on: January 15, 2007, 10:40:18 AM »
You never knew the criteria until I posted it  ;) and you still don't know how to apply it , you're under this delusional that Ronnie has better balance and Dorian is smooth lol I've been lecturing you and the other ignorants about the judging well before this thread started because I knew the rules you didn't and still don't , remember your official criteria? x-frame and lumpiness? lol oh and these gems Ronnie has better ' detail ' in his calves than Dorian and going by the criteria Dorian should have lost the Olympia in 93 to Flex lol it gets better though 1994 was the most controversial Mr Olympia since 1980 according to you , yet 01 Olympia Jay outright beats Ronnie in the whole prejudging and you have the balls to say Ronnie DOMINATED Jay from the back , not he edge him out from the back , you claimed Ronnie DOMINATED Jay from the back , and we're to believe you know the criteria? lmao how does one dominate , despite losing? its an oxymoron  ;) Ronnie goes on to just barely beat Jay by just 4 points another of the closest Mr Olympias in the history of the sport and you have the balls to claim 94 was controversial , again I just pinpointed & Highlighted just how little YOU and the rest of Camp-Delusional know about judging physique contests

Now to top it off you have the balls to claim Ronnie beats Dorian in the front latspread lol another baseless rookie-assessment , Dorian has owned this pose for years and I still haven't seen anyone who can match Dorian in this pose , now you interpret what you want out of the criteria and what YOU think Ronnie has the edge in and gloss over everything that favors Yates , well allow me to correct your ignorance for the umpteenth time

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Dorian in this and every mandatory pose has better balanced development , depending on the year greater muscular bulk , muscular density oh and he has better conditioning as well , you insist on saying Dorian is ' smooth ' as if he's holding water its a pathetic attempt to undermine one of his greatest strengths his outstanding muscle hardness & dryness , you use strawmen ' advantages ' like Ronnie has a striated chest in this pose lol to imply A ) Dorian's chest isn't showing visible striations in his chest so therefore he's holding water and B.) Dorian's quads are ' smooth ' another attempt to imply Dorian is carrying water

Now is Dorian carrying any water in 1995? NO not by a long shot , so when you keep posting he's smooth its an empty assessment , does Dorian's chest show any striations in this particular pose? NO is Dorian's chest striated in 95? YES Dorian absolutely crushes Ronnie and everyone else in the front latspread , pay attention to the criteria and look at the picture and then you have nothing to work with

Does Ronnie have more balanced development that Dorian in this pose ? NO
Does Ronnie have better muscle density than Dorian in this pose? NO
Does Ronnie have greater muscular bulk on this pose? NO ( not at his best )
Does Ronnie have better conditioning than Dorian in this pose? 99 NO 98/01 ASC a push


So by using the Official IFBB Judging criteria and not the fantasy Hulkster reaching for straws criteria its abundantly clear to any non-biased intelligent OBJECTIVE person that Ronnie simply gets outclassed in this pose in particular and the other mandatory poses.

You've just been throughly school by me .  ;)

That last pic actually looks real good.

Iceman1981

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5184
  • www.LegendsOfBodybuilding.com
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21033 on: January 15, 2007, 10:41:07 AM »
Personally I prefer Milos' look in this picture:



From a competitive point of view though, it would go to Dorian of course.

Ofcourse

RocketSwitch625

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2420
  • Women fall all over me and Pumpster is FUGLY.
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21034 on: January 15, 2007, 11:20:20 AM »
Well if you simply look at it, it does. Thanks again for bringing it up. Now flip that "Rocket" "Switch" and send your a$$ out to space.

Remember my opinion is just one white man's opinion. LOL

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21035 on: January 15, 2007, 11:32:56 AM »
Hulkster claimed that Dorian's arms were to small in the front latspread lol this is what a 260 pound bodybuilder looks like with arms to small in the front lat spread , learn from this and don't make the same mistake again

pobrecito

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4851
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21036 on: January 15, 2007, 12:11:46 PM »
I'm taking your quote to literally ? how else am I supposed to take it? seriously? I can only respond to what you type . and spare me with Yates' arms being 19"  ::)

Dorian's forearm's were 19 inches, let alone his upper arm, which was 21-21.5".

You want proof of my claim? Shawn Ray can be quoted as saying his arms were 18". If you look at 93O pictures, Dorian's forearm dwarf's Ray's upper arm ;)

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21037 on: January 15, 2007, 12:19:43 PM »
Dorian's forearm's were 19 inches, let alone his upper arm, which was 21-21.5".

You want proof of my claim? Shawn Ray can be quoted as saying his arms were 18". If you look at 93O pictures, Dorian's forearm dwarf's Ray's upper arm ;)

Here is a quote

Flex Magazine Jan 1994


quote from Kevin Horton


At all times , he is precisely what he says he is. exaggeration and inaccuracy are not in his nature. Never can you put him on the spot. If he says his arms are 22 inches you can measure them and they'll be 22 inches.


I'm assuming he means offseason

suckmymuscle

  • Guest
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21038 on: January 15, 2007, 01:42:18 PM »
ha ha ha ha ha, so many things wrong with this post.
1) this has nothing to do with a strawman fallacy. So I don't know why you chose to respond to my explanation of what a strawman is.

  So what? I never said it did. I just think it's relevant to call you out for your bullshit and own you, like I do all the time.

Quote
2) making up a quote I said, and then claiming you owned me b/c I supposedly said this, is NOT owning anyone. Why don't you post my original quote rather than what you think I said?

  Because you edited it? ;) The bottom line is that you were talking about lean muscle mass, which is exactly the same as "muscular bulk". Are you denying that? If you were talking about visual size, then why did you bring up body weigt and how Dorian's supposedly larger gut and calves compensated for his muscular bulk deficiency in relation to Coleman, making him weight the same despite carrying less lean mass? Dude, it is obvious that you were talking about the actual amount of muscular mass that Ronnie carried and not how big his muscles appeared to be. You got owned and you know it.

Quote
3) I have never been dishonest. I don't post photoshoped pics of my hero like you and ND.

  Only one of the hundreds of pics I've posted were photoshopped, and I didn't know it. You're talking out of your ass...

Quote
I don't lie about my degree like you, and I certainly don't use strawmans in my posts like you.

  I never lied; I actually have four university degrees, and it shows by my genius. Besides nut-hugging and spooge-sucking, what degrees does your dumbass have? Let's see! I'm calling you out.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

suckmymuscle

  • Guest
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21039 on: January 15, 2007, 02:18:33 PM »
I think, realistically speaking, that Danny had 18-19" arms and Dorian had 20-20.5" arms. Lee Priest is 2 inches taller than Danny and his arms are 21". So they would still appear proportionately larger than Danny's.

  Nope. Dorian's arms were 21".

Quote
I have asked you numerous times to give examples where Dorian carried more muscular bulk than 01 ASC Ronnie. You continue to ignore my request. I'm not doubting that Dorian had greater total body mass. This much is obvious from their body weights. However, where else besides the midsection and calves did Dorian carry more bulk than Ronnie?

  How stupid can a single individual be? No wonder Cuba is that shithole. Sperm, I'm going to go in detail about this, to shut you once and for all - although I'm sure you'll ignore this once again and continue to insist that you're right just to save face. Your entire argument is based on three false premisses:

 1. Dorian's gut was not more distended than Coleman's. - This is obvious. Dorian was never known for gut distension except at the 1997 Olympia.

 2. Calves represent a small bodypart - Calves are relatively small bodypart and represent about 5% of the body's overral muscle mass. Saying that Dorian weighted 16lbs more despite having smaller chest, triceps, delts and quads muscle mass all because of calves is just ridiculous.

 3. The entire human skeleton weights 25 lbs - Dorian's skeletal frame would need to be 75% bigger than Coleman's to make Dorian weight 16 lbs more if they had the same muscular bulk. However since you claim that Dorian weighted all that more despite having smaller muscular bulk in his chest, triceps, delts and quads, then the diffrerence would need to be even greater than that. It would need to be around 30 lbs or more to compensate for it. That's a lot of bones, Sperm! In fact, the variations between Human Beings in skeleton weight is no more than 15 lbs in extreme cases. In other words, when comparing the frame of a large man to that of a small woman. Now, when you add all to that the fact that Black Men have much heavier bones than Whites, you understand that Dorian would need to have a mamoth frame to carry 30 lbs or more in his bones than Ronnie. It is impossible, sport. You got owned epically and you just can't deal emotionally with it. ;)

  When you factor in the gut size, the frame and calve issue, all we have left is your opinion that Ronnie had bigger chest, delts, triceps and quads. Again, Ronnie's muscles just look bigger than Dorian's because:

 1. His muscles are rounder - This gives a visual appearance of fullness which Dorian's flat, square muscles lacked.

 2. His joints are smaller - This also makes his muscle look bigger than they really are, ala Wheeler. Contrast creates an illusion of size. This is why only short men work at Tom Cruise's films: to make the leading man look tall. Get it? Contrast.

   In conclusion, I have logically demonstrated how it is extraordinarily unlikely that Dorian's gut, calves and frame explained the weight difference. When you add this to the facts that:

 1. They had equivalent bodyfat levels - They were both at around 3% bodyfat so Ronnie can't claim to have more lean mass here.

 2. Ronnie had more fluids inside his muscles - A given. Ronnie's muscle swere always fuller than Dorian's, and this is partly the result of water retention. So Ronnie can't claim to have more lean mass here.

 3. Ronnie had less fluids than Dorian outside his muscles - Another given. Even at the 2001 ASC, Ronnie wasn't as crisp dry as a 1995 Dorian. At best, they tie - and I'm being generous. Ronnie can't claim to have more lean mass here.

  Sperm, when you put all the variables into the equation, it is obvious that the 1995 Dorian carried more mass than the 2001 ASC Ronnie, and extremely likely that he carried more mass than the 1999 Olympia Ronnie - for the same reasons as the above, although to a much smaller degree.

  You have been taken to school; this was Logic 101 to you, from Professor Suckmymuscle. Now be humble about it, and admit that you were wrong. ;) 8)

SUCKMYMUSCLE

NeoSeminole

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5589
  • Ronnie > Dorian
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21040 on: January 15, 2007, 02:40:49 PM »
So what? I never said it did. I just think it's relevant to call you out for your bullshit and own you, like I do all the time.

oh bullshit, you implied that your response had relevance to my post when you quoted me. Ask anyone and they will tell you that's what it means when you quote someone. If you just wanted to address me, then start a post with "Sir NeoSeminole..."

Quote
Because you edited it? The bottom line is that you were talking about lean muscle mass, which is exactly the same as "muscular bulk". Are you denying that? If you were talking about visual size, then why did you bring up body weigt and how Dorian's supposedly larger gut and calves compensated for his muscular bulk deficiency in relation to Coleman, making him weight the same despite carrying less lean mass? Dude, it is obvious that you were talking about the actual amount of muscular mass that Ronnie carried and not how big his muscles appeared to be. You got owned and you know it.

ha ha ha ha, here comes the excuses. I asked you to post my original quote b/c I don't remember exactly what I said. I sure as hell don't know on what page I said it. So I couldn't go back and edit my comment even if I wanted to. As far as I'm concerned, you put words in my mouth and then claimed you owned me b/c I supposedly said this. You're not owning anybody. ;)

Quote
Only one of the hundreds of pics I've posted were photoshopped, and I didn't know it. You're talking out of your ass...

you just admitted that you posted a photoshoped pic, yet I'm talking out of my ass? Get real son.

Quote
I never lied; I actually have four university degrees, and it shows by my genius. Besides nut-hugging and spooge-sucking, what degrees does your dumbass have? Let's see! I'm calling you out.

OooOooh, Suckmyasshole is calling me out. I never hid anything in the first place. I've stated numerous times I have a degree in exercise physiology. I graduated from FSU in 06. Honestly, I doubt that you have 4 real degrees. You still haven't said which school you got your exercise degree from. "Genius" you say? More like a high-functioning down syndrome patient. ;D

NeoSeminole

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5589
  • Ronnie > Dorian
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21041 on: January 15, 2007, 03:20:14 PM »
Nope. Dorian's arms were 21".

ha ha ha ha, you're telling me that Dorian's arms were almost 1.5" larger than Arnold's?

Quote
How stupid can a single individual be? No wonder Cuba is that shithole. Sperm, I'm going to go in detail about this, to shut you once and for all - although I'm sure you'll ignore this once again and continue to insist that you're right just to save face. Your entire argument is based on three false premisses:

bring it little boy. I will continue to own you like your dad owns your mom everynight.

Quote
1. Dorian's gut was not more distended than Coleman's. - This is obvious. Dorian was never known for gut distension except at the 1997 Olympia.

another strawman from you. I never claimed that Dorian's gut was more distended than Ronnie's. You're 0-1.

Quote
2. Calves represent a small bodypart - Calves are relatively small bodypart and represent about 5% of the body's overral muscle mass. Saying that Dorian weighted 16lbs more despite having smaller chest, triceps, delts and quads muscle mass all because of calves is just ridiculous.

is that the best you can come up with? My argument is now ridiculous b/c you're incapable of explaining to me where Dorian was larger? Pathetic. ha ha ha. Come back when you've got something kiddo. So far you're 0-2.

Quote
3. The entire human skeleton weights 25 lbs - Dorian's skeletal frame would need to be 75% bigger than Coleman's to make Dorian weight 16 lbs more if they had the same muscular bulk. However since you claim that Dorian weighted all that more despite having smaller muscular bulk in his chest, triceps, delts and quads, then the diffrerence would need to be even greater than that. It would need to be around 30 lbs or more to compensate for it. That's a lot of bones, Sperm! In fact, the variations between Human Beings in skeleton weight is no more than 15 lbs in extreme cases. In other words, when comparing the frame of a large man to that of a small woman. Now, when you add all to that the fact that Black Men have much heavier bones than Whites, you understand that Dorian would need to have a mamoth frame to carry 30 lbs or more in his bones than Ronnie. It is impossible, sport. You got owned epically and you just can't deal emotionally with it.

first of all, I never said the bones were solely responsible for Dorian's "extra" mass. Even if Dorian's entire skeleton weighed only 4-5 lbs more than Ronnie's, you must keep in mind this is in addition to other factors. It quickly adds up. Second, you're using the avg weight of a human skeleton (e.g. 180 lb man). Most estimates range from 14-20% of total body mass. Let's use the less generous figure of 14% to calculate Dorian's skeletal weight. 260 lbs x 0.14 = 36.4 lbs. It's not farfetched that Dorian carries 4-5 lbs extra bone mass. Third, the weight difference between 95 Dorian and 01 ASC Ronnie was 13-16 lbs depending on which source you read. You must understand this is not a significant weight difference when comparing two bodybuilders of similar heights and conditioning. For example, increasing the size of every muscle by a very small fraction may raise the total body weight by as much as 10 lbs. The result is that any difference in muscularity wouldn't be noticable, which supports what I said. That makes you 0-3. ;)

Hulkster

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22972
  • ND ran away from me
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21042 on: January 15, 2007, 03:31:37 PM »
If dorian's arms were 21 inches, I'd like to know when.

pre tear they were pitiful:




Post tear they were pitiful:

Flower Boy Ran Away

Hulkster

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22972
  • ND ran away from me
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21043 on: January 15, 2007, 03:33:17 PM »
if dorian had 21 inch arms, does that mean that Ronnie in 99 would have taped 23 inches?

Flower Boy Ran Away

pobrecito

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4851
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21044 on: January 15, 2007, 03:34:41 PM »
if dorian had 21 inch arms, does that mean that Ronnie in 99 would have taped 23 inches?



Ronnie's arms were 23" in 1997. They did nothing for him against Yates.


NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83189
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21045 on: January 15, 2007, 05:22:55 PM »
If dorian's arms were 21 inches, I'd like to know when.

pre tear they were pitiful:



Post tear they were pitiful:



Hulkster you're fond of blanket statements , and you're always in Yates-hater mode you can't be objective , you post a pic of 96 and say " post-tear they were pitiful ' now look at this pic of a relaxed Dorian in 1995 his tornbiceps along with the other is huge , 1996 his arms were smaller than normal does that mean they always looked like that NO a perfect analogy is keep posting pics of Ronnie's arms at the 2002 Olympia and claim how bad his arms sucked all the while ignoring the good pics and keep posting the same pic of 02 over and over again , its retarded ! its NOT Dorian at his best yet you're so God-damn desperate to fight back from the ass-kicking you've getting that you sink to such low levels to prove a point thats empty

Was 2002 indicitive of how Ronnie looked at his best? NO was 1996 indicitive of how Dorian looked at his best? NO so stop with the paper-tigers it doesn't prove what you intended to it just proves you're ignorant idiot and you fear Dorian at his best , for a reason .

Hedgehog

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19464
  • It Rubs The Lotion On Its Skin.
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21046 on: January 15, 2007, 05:31:18 PM »
The last few years of Coleman is what we're bound to judge him on, it's hard not to, even though it's at least 6 years since Coleman was near his best.

Dozzer on the other hand, often gets judged by his alltime best, at cerca 1993.

A recent Coleman stands no chance against Yates at his best, but there are very few in the history of bodybuilding that does.

-Hedge
As empty as paradise

IceCold

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4878
  • Getbig!
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21047 on: January 15, 2007, 08:11:44 PM »
if dorian had 21 inch arms, does that mean that Ronnie in 99 would have taped 23 inches?




who cares.

with coleman' arms, he never stood a chance against yates and was never close to beating him or even getting callouts against him.

get over it.


R.I.P. DIMEBAG DARRELL ABBOTT (1966-2004)

IceCold

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4878
  • Getbig!
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21048 on: January 15, 2007, 08:14:28 PM »


A recent Coleman stands no chance against Yates at his best, but there are very few in the history of bodybuilding that does.

-Hedge


exactly.


the facts speak for themselves.  not worthless opinions from totally unqualified people based 'visual evidence', even if the pics are fake, from yo-boys like hulkster, iceman, neo, etc. 
R.I.P. DIMEBAG DARRELL ABBOTT (1966-2004)

Iceman1981

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5184
  • www.LegendsOfBodybuilding.com
Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #21049 on: January 15, 2007, 08:35:29 PM »

exactly.


the facts speak for themselves.  not worthless opinions from totally unqualified people based 'visual evidence', even if the pics are fake, from yo-boys like hulkster, iceman, neo, etc. 

If you care to read Hedgehog post more carefully, he says "recent". He means the past few years. So you still think the pics are fake? Oh well life goes on and we will keep posting pics because I already proved he was that same color in other pics from different Olympias.