ha ha ha, the excuses just keep coming. The Dorian nuthuggers will find any reason to discredit pics where Ronnie looks better. Now it's unfair b/c I'm using a "studio shot." You guys are too much. 
this is not a blanket statement. I will bet $1,000 that Ronnie's arms were bigger than Dorian's.
Ronnie's delts are larger.
However, we are comparing their delt size in the front lat spread. I already explained to you how they pose differently. Dorian pushes his sternum out, which accentuates his chest and lat thickness and deemphasizes his delts and traps. Ronnie throws his delts, traps and arms forward and stands straight up in the front lat spread. This makes his entire upper body appear larger but partially obscures his lats. You are wrong about Ronnie's forearms looking small in this pose. They are perfectly proportionate to his upper arm. I'm not under the delusion that whoever is the biggest is the best. I believe Ronnie wins the front lat spread b/c he has more definition, better taper, and comparable balance in addition to greater size.
If Dorian had better balance, then it's by a very slim margin. I don't consider looking like a giant tree stump with little twigs sticking out "balanced." In fact, Ronnie's calves may be small in proportion to the rest of him but they are not much smaller than Dorian's arms. I provided several pics that show Ronnie's calves in 03 were almost the same size as Jay's, and Jay is known for his massive calves. I'm not 100% positive but I believe Jay's calves are 22". This means it's plausible that 03 Ronnie's calves were 20-21". Let's use this figure to calculate how big his calves might have been in 99. Everyone knows the calves are notoriously hard to grow. Black men especially have relatively poor genes for calves, and Ronnie has always had difficulty adding calf size throughout his bodybuilding. So we can expect little growth from 99 to 03. Let's say they grew an inch. His calves would have been roughly 19". Dorian's arms were measured at 20.47", which means Ronnie's calves are not far off.
I know what conditioning is. I never disagreed that 95 Dorian had better conditioning than 99 Ronnie. However, you must realize that not everyone shares the same body fat and water composition. Dorian seemed to carry more water from the front while Ronnie carried more water from the back. Thus, in a strictly front lat spread comparison, the difference in conditioning is not that great. In fact, I would say they are tied but Ronnie's superior definition trumps him.
ha ha ha, the excuses just keep coming. The Dorian nuthuggers will find any reason to discredit pics where Ronnie looks better. Now it's unfair b/c I'm using a "studio shot." You guys are too much.
Weak very weak , one its no excuse you're using a slanted comparison to prove your point because YOU HAVE TO , and its your opinion and nothing more that Ronnie looks better in this pose , Ronnie's front latspread like his sidetriceps and sidechest always left a lot to be desired at least I have the criteria to back me up and you have your opinion and your opinion is already established is biased
this is not a blanket statement. I will bet $1,000 that Ronnie's arms were bigger than Dorian's.
Ronnie's delts are larger.
It is a blanket statement because you're including forearms in the the arms , and again depending on the year I don't doubt Ronnie has bigger biceps/triceps , forearms I don't think so NOT at around the same weight , and again its all a moot point because Ronnie's triceps aren't as good as Dorians and neither are his forearms so like his narrow waist , its redundant because whats the sense?
Delts at around the same weight I doubt it Yates delts are cannonballs I wouldn't rule it out but again its mute because Density V Volume
However, we are comparing their delt size in the front lat spread. I already explained to you how they pose differently. Dorian pushes his sternum out, which accentuates his chest and lat thickness and deemphasizes his delts and traps. Ronnie throws his delts, traps and arms forward and stands straight up in the front lat spread. This makes his entire upper body appear larger but partially obscures his lats. You are wrong about Ronnie's forearms looking small in this pose. They are perfectly proportionate to his upper arm. I'm not under the delusion that whoever is the biggest is the best. I believe Ronnie wins the front lat spread b/c he has more definition, better taper, and comparable balance in addition to greater size
Again make up your mind what year Ronnie's you're comparing to because when you say greater size I hope you're not referring to 1999 because that is not even worth responding to , comparable balance again NOT worth elaborating on , better taper
( straws ) more definition? you mean conditioning? 1999 Ronnie like balance & size NOT worth any further elaboration , its nonsense
Dorian crushes Ronnie in the front latspread due to superior muscular balance , superior muscle density , superior muscular bulk , and low and behold superior conditioning , oh lets couple that with better lat-sweep and presentation
If Dorian had better balance, then it's by a very slim margin. I don't consider looking like a giant tree stump with little twigs sticking out "balanced." In fact, Ronnie's calves may be small in proportion to the rest of him but they are not much smaller than Dorian's arms. I provided several pics that show Ronnie's calves in 03 were almost the same size as Jay's, and Jay is known for his massive calves. I'm not 100% positive but I believe Jay's calves are 22". This means it's plausible that 03 Ronnie's calves were 20-21". Let's use this figure to calculate how big his calves might have been in 99. Everyone knows the calves are notoriously hard to grow. Black men especially have relatively poor genes for calves, and Ronnie has always had difficulty adding calf size throughout his bodybuilding. So we can expect little growth from 99 to 03. Let's say they grew an inch. His calves would have been roughly 19". Dorian's arms were measured at 20.47", which means Ronnie's calves are not far off.
No comments like " if Dorian had better balance " will be entertained there is absolutely NO questions that at his best Dorian is leaps & bounds ahead in balance . and again you're all over the place you can't pic and choose specific years and parts that are ' better ' than Dorian and 2003 Ronnie's balance is at his personal all-time worse and I don't care if you think Ronnie's calves are comparable to Jay that has dick to do with Yates and Jay has 22' calves
give me a fucking-break , Jay's lucky if he's 5'9" and if he had 22" calves they'd be a HELL of a lot bigger looking , Mike Mattarazzo had 22" calves at 5'11" and his looked INSANELY big at his height and I love your leaping-logic always leaping to conclusions , if Jay's are 22" and Ronnie's were close than that means Ronnie's 99 would have been roughly 19"
give me a fucking break NO WAY IN HELL Ronnie's calves are 19" in 1999 nice try although you failed and where did you get this gem that Dorian's arms were ' 20'47 ' ? I don't recall seeing his arms listed at that
anyway it doesn't matter if Ronnie's calves were the same size as Dorian's arms because they're NOT in proportion with his quads and lets also factor in they lack development , detail , separation , density , etc its retard logic that has gotten you here lol
I know what conditioning is. I never disagreed that 95 Dorian had better conditioning than 99 Ronnie. However, you must realize that not everyone shares the same body fat and water composition. Dorian seemed to carry more water from the front while Ronnie carried more water from the back. Thus, in a strictly front lat spread comparison, the difference in conditioning is not that great. In fact, I would say they are tied but Ronnie's superior definition trumps him.
You just simply don't know what you're talking about you don't Dorian 1993/1995 was NOT holding water he simply wasn't , he doesn't hold water , Dorian's conditioning is legendary for a reason , he wasn't known as ONLY being dry in the back but not the front , he is known for being the biggest & best conditioned bodybuilder of the 1990s , please find me a quote where it says Dorian was holding water , I can find you 10 for Ronnie , Ronnie reached Dorian's level of conditioning twice in his career 1998/2001 and he hasn't match those two , Ronnie was hit-or-miss most of his career with conditioning while he wasn't always WAY OFF he's been off more times than on , so please spare me your nonsense that Ronnie is better conditioned or better balanced because it the epitome of ignorance but I've come to expect that from you guys
