wrong, I still personally feel that 03 is Ronnie's best package. The reason I used 01 ASC Ronnie is b/c you seem to put a greater emphasis on conditioning rather than muscularity. So I picked a version of Ronnie that matches or exceeds Dorian's advantage.
I got that criteria from you, in case you were wondering. I've already established that conditioning and definition are NOT the same. Conditioning refers to how much bodyfat and water a person is carrying. Definition refers to separations and striations. You always boast about Dorian's conditioning like it's part of the criteria. However, his overall definition is mediocre. I figured, according to your posts, they must be two separate categories. So which is it? Dorian can't have both excellent and poor definition simultaneously.
ha ha ha, I'm not bound by anything b/c I think it's possible for him to be wrong. You're the one who quotes Peter McGough like he's the holy grail of bodybuilding. Furthermore, I believe that he listed the wrong number for 01 ASC Ronnie's weight. Now whether this is a misprint or he had the wrong number is unknown.
Ronnie has received straight firsts before. So he's not exactly a bad poser. I'm sure that if he knew he was competing against a prime Dorian for the title of "greatest bodybuilder of all-time," he would pull out all the stops. He would also earn back any points he lost from the free posing round in the pose down. Ronnie is much more aggressive than Dorian in the pose down, and the judges seem to reward this. It's moot arguing over the posing rounds anyway b/c it basically comes down to personally preference.
wrong, I still personally feel that 03 is Ronnie's best package. The reason I used 01 ASC Ronnie is b/c you seem to put a greater emphasis on conditioning rather than muscularity. So I picked a version of Ronnie that matches or exceeds Dorian's advantage.
First of all you're wrong on most of your points , conditioning & muscularity go hand & hand being heavier doesn't imply you're more muscular , point ? Dorian Yates beating Lee Haney in the mucularity round in 1991 despite being 11 pounds lighter , and why a 205 pound Shawn Ray could beat a 285 pound Nasser , and I don't put a greater emphasis on conditioning rather than ' muscularity ' the judges looks for who meets the criteria better , all the criteria
I got that criteria from you, in case you were wondering. I've already established that conditioning and definition are NOT the same. Conditioning refers to how much bodyfat and water a person is carrying. Definition refers to separations and striations. You always boast about Dorian's conditioning like it's part of the criteria. However, his overall definition is mediocre. I figured, according to your posts, they must be two separate categories. So which is it? Dorian can't have both excellent and poor definition simultaneously.
You didn't get anything from me especially not that garbage , and conditioning & definition are the same thing , how does one get muscle definition? with conditioning the absence of fat and water in the muscles and what happens when all the fat & water is removed from the equation? the muscles separation is more visible and striations , although they are genetic and not everyone has them , so you figured wrong from my posts
ha ha ha, I'm not bound by anything b/c I think it's possible for him to be wrong. You're the one who quotes Peter McGough like he's the holy grail of bodybuilding. Furthermore, I believe that he listed the wrong number for 01 ASC Ronnie's weight. Now whether this is a misprint or he had the wrong number is unknown.
No no you agreed with him when pressed of 01 ASC was his best overall package , and YOU were the one who said I'm bound to agree with everything he says and when I was done laughing at you I said I respect his opinion very much but I don't have to agree with it all the time , now by your own logic you said I had to so now you're backpeddling you're a hypocrite
and again I've seen his weight listed at 244 pounds several times it may be higher but its not once I've seen that weight listed
Ronnie has received straight firsts before. So he's not exactly a bad poser. I'm sure that if he knew he was competing against a prime Dorian for the title of "greatest bodybuilder of all-time," he would pull out all the stops. He would also earn back any points he lost from the free posing round in the pose down. Ronnie is much more aggressive than Dorian in the pose down, and the judges seem to reward this. It's moot arguing over the posing rounds anyway b/c it basically comes down to personally preference.
Yes Ronnie has received straight firsts before not many times but he has , but Dorian to my knowledge has won every single posing rounds with straight firsts with the exception of one , so please spare me the Ronnie would pull out all the stops his whole career he can barely pull of mandated poses but now he's supposed to learn , his logic if you haven't noticed is ' if it ain't broke don't fix it ' and you just contradicted yourself Ronnie is more ' aggressive ' in the posedown than Dorian and the judges seem to reward that Yet Dorian wasn't as aggressive and always won the pose down and why? because people were ALWAYS chasing him lol he was very aggressive in 1991 , but make no mistake the posing rounds favor Dorian , especially when you consider he has the ability to effectively hide his weaknesses and he has a strong command of the mandatory poses , and this doesn't come down to preference it comes down to skill and while neither are Lee Labrada Yates would always do the poses better than Ronnie , this is old new
Once again Dorian would win the muscularity round , Ronnie ( will be fair ) the symmetry round and Dorian both posing rounds , you're out of luck kid.
