Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

I mean you've admitted you were wrong after you took a fucking beating lol I mean you can't deny being wrong even though you tried lol

oh really? By all means, please explain how I took a beating when I accidentally typed rhomboids or when Suckmyasshole argued that 01 ASC Ronnie was actually smaller than in 96. Go ahead.

Oh I am right that definition and conditioning are the same thing there is no ego involved , many terms for the same thing , how does one get muscle definition? by losing sq fat & water and in the process they get , ripped , dry indicating one has not water in his body , hard i.e. opposite of soft which indicates one is holding water & fat and what happens when you're hard ? your muscles are clearly defined , not obscured by water or fat

Definition is most certainly not conditioning. I even posted its definition from Merriam-Webster online. The term "definition" in bodybuilding refers to how separated and striated each muscle is. What is the purpose of conditioning? To display better muscular definition, not vice versa. When a bodybuilder is well conditioned, people say "look at those separations and striations. He must have very low body fat and water levels." They don't say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations."

[pumpster]

You're the idiot who was upset when I posted the Bow Flex pic , you cried like a little bitch because you were exposed lol the best part is you did it yourself lol now go run back to the training board and give advice on power rods you loser

Ya it's been tramatic having silly pump-obsessed little twits trailing me around forums like kids over real or imagined use of a Bowflex. Priceless. ROFLMAO

This one's for ND who refused to take my money because he can't handle a max. load benching on one.

bwahaahahahahahaahahahah 

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh really? By all means, please explain how I took a beating when I accidentally typed rhomboids or when Suckmyasshole argued that 01 ASC Ronnie was actually smaller than in 96. Go ahead.

Definition is most certainly not conditioning. I even posted its definition from Merriam-Webster online. The term "definition" in bodybuilding refers to how separated and striated each muscle is. What is the purpose of conditioning? To display better muscular definition, not vice versa. When a bodybuilder is well conditioned, people say "look at those separations and striations. He must have very low body fat and water levels." They don't say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations."

Please when you tried to argue Ronnie 99 and 01 were the same size despite being 13 pounds lighter

Definition is MOST certainly conditioning or a result of conditioning , how does one get clearly defined muscles? through conditioning , through the absence of fat & water , i.e. drying out , when the muscles are dry the definition becomes clear its this simple , when the muscles are not dry they're soft and its hard for the definition to be seen , and again if one is soft his muscular definition suffers

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ya it's been tramatic having silly pump-obsessed little twits trailing me around forums like kids over real or imagined use of a Bowflex. Priceless. ROFLMAO

This one's for ND who refused to take my money because he can't handle a max. load benching on one.

Oh you couldn't be any more wrong the way I found your Bow Flex pics was on Ironage a site and ideals which you bad mouth to no end , and the irony to find you on Ironage and I came across your Bow Flex pics and raving about the Bow lol what a tool even guys on Ironage were laughing at you , and whats funny is you never had the balls to post it here for a good reason , because once I did you took a beating and you were so upset that I posted it lol and I don't blame you , you're opinions are biased trash , you being a ' Mod ' on the training board is a laughing stock especially when you give advice and train on the Bow , you've been beat to death on this thread and ran off to play God on the training board , so crawl back into your hole before I lay the smack down on your ass again . 

[pumpster]

Oh you couldn't be any more wrong the way I found your Bow Flex pics was on Ironage a site and ideals which you bad mouth to no end , and the irony to find you on Ironage and I came across your Bow Flex pics and raving about the Bow lol what a tool even guys on Ironage were laughing at you , and whats funny is you never had the balls to post it here for a good reason , because once I did you took a beating and you were so upset that I posted it lol and I don't blame you , you're opinions are biased trash , you being a ' Mod ' on the training board is a laughing stock especially when you give advice and train on the Bow , you've been beat to death on this thread and ran off to play God on the training board , so crawl back into your hole before I lay the smack down on your ass again . 

He backed down on the Bowflex, PUZZY...


Bottom line these losers will try anything not to avoid discussing Coleman's domination. HAHAHAAHAHAHAAH

[NeoSeminole]

Please when you tried to argue Ronnie 99 and 01 were the same size despite being 13 pounds lighter

oh please, is that the best you've got? Ronnie was carrying less fat and less water, and he had smaller quads. Other than that, he was the same size everywhere else. 

Definition is MOST certainly conditioning or a result of conditioning , how does one get clearly defined muscles? through conditioning , through the absence of fat & water , i.e. drying out , when the muscles are dry the definition becomes clear its this simple , when the muscles are not dry they're soft and its hard for the definition to be seen , and again if one is soft his muscular definition suffers

no shit, you just reiterated back to me what I said. The purpose of conditioning is to display better definition. Conditioning isn't judged, per se, but definition is. They are correlated but aren't synonymous.

[Cap]

A few things, if I may....

1. Dorian has better conditioning and back, that being said....

2. Ronnie really has the overall package

3. Both fucked up BBing to it's current state

4. Has anyone tried a Bowflex?  I know I have

[Shockwave]

He backed down on the Bowflex, PUZZY...


Bottom line these losers will try anything not to avoid discussing Coleman's domination. HAHAHAAHAHAHAAH

Bottom line is what appears to be domination to you equates to blind fanboy-ism to me. It's one thing to argue 98 or 99 Ronnie, but to even look at that pic and claim Ronnie victory is absurd. Ronnie's proportions there look like utter shit.

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh please, is that the best you've got? Ronnie was carrying less fat and less water, and he had smaller quads. Other than that, he was the same size everywhere else. 

no shit, you just reiterated back to me what I said. The purpose of conditioning is to display better definition. Conditioning isn't judged, per se, but definition is. They are correlated but aren't synonymous.

Ronnie is no where near the same size in 01 as he was in 99 look at the pics its very obvious he was much lighter

and Neo whenever someone refers to a bodybuilder who is in shape they refer to him as having great conditioning NOT great definition , they refer to them as being dry NOT being defined , being soft not as not as defined , I mean its all the same damn thing , ripped , dry , hard , defined

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bottom line is what appears to be domination to you equates to blind fanboy-ism to me. It's one thing to argue 98 or 99 Ronnie, but to even look at that pic and claim Ronnie victory is absurd. Ronnie's proportions there look like utter shit.

The irony of that idiot posting a shot from a contest in which Dorian dominated his competition with straight firsts and claiming Ronnie is dominating lol he is the biggest retard on-line lol

[mesmorph78]

He backed down on the Bowflex, PUZZY...


Bottom line these losers will try anything not to avoid discussing Coleman's domination. HAHAHAAHAHAHAAH

ronnie owne dorian in that 96 o pic

[Cap]

Ronnie increasing size the way he did has screwed BBing but he has been pretty good.  I think if you gave Ronnie's arms to Dorian then Dorian would be the best.

ND, have you ever tried a Bowflex?  Honestly, can you criticize something (in terms) of training that you have never tried?  That would be like me criticizing the decline press having never done it (which I haven't).  Any thoughts?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie owne dorian in that 96 o pic

From what prospective? taper? lol WOW thats not stating the obvious , now factor in the criteria that the judges look for , density , balance , and conditioning and bulk and Dorian owns Ronnie & Shawn quite easily in that pic hence why the judges awarded him first and Ronnie sixth

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie increasing size the way he did has screwed BBing but he has been pretty good.  I think if you gave Ronnie's arms to Dorian then Dorian would be the best.

ND, have you ever tried a Bowflex?  Honestly, can you criticize something (in terms) of training that you have never tried?  That would be like me criticizing the decline press having never done it (which I haven't).  Any thoughts?

I've never tried the Bow Flex and I'm not criticizing it in itself , just criticizing the idiot who uses it , and I don't have to get shot to know it may hurt a bit , Bow Flex is garbage for building muscle , and its very ironic he's giving training advice to others when he doesn't even use the equipment himself the height of hypocrisy , to build ANY worthwhile muscular gains the Bow Flex is as effective as isometrics

[Cap]

I've never tried the Bow Flex and I'm not criticizing it in itself , just criticizing the idiot who uses it , and I don't have to get shot to know it may hurt a bit , Bow Flex is garbage for building muscle , and its very ironic he's giving training advice to others when he doesn't even use the equipment himself the height of hypocrisy , to build ANY worthwhile muscular gains the Bow Flex is as effective as isometrics

I have never used it on a regular basis but to dismiss it is naive.  Do you dismiss cable exercises?  I liken Bowflex (which I have used) to a combo of free weights and cables that really is not easy like others might think.  It isn't a Total Gym dude.  It has value.  You won't become Dorian or Ronnie off it but you can't say you won't grow.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have never used it on a regular basis but to dismiss it is naive.  Do you dismiss cable exercises?  I liken Bowflex (which I have used) to a combo of free weights and cables that really is not easy like others might think.  It isn't a Total Gym dude.  It has value.  You won't become Dorian or Ronnie off it but you can't say you won't grow.

Cable exercises aren't building muscle either , I never claimed the movements weren't easy , I just said it was useless for building any worthwhile muscle , it may be fine for the club goers who want to stay in shape but it really is useless for building muscle

[mesmorph78]

wsup nd
balance???
dorian was balanced?
..how do u figure that
small chest small arms in comparison to his torso....
? wide waiste...

[NarcissisticDeity]

wsup nd
balance???
dorian was balanced?
..how do u figure that
small chest small arms in comparison to his torso....
? wide waiste...

And Ronnie was balanced? tiny calves , giant quads , giant glutes , distended gut , tiny forearms giant biceps/triceps , I mean Dorian may not have the best balance ever but its certainly better than Ronnies

[mesmorph78]

tiny calve that i will concede
everything else on coleman is giant....
dorian
small arms distended belly..
small chest.. giant back
.. i will concede dorian has more blanced legs due to the aforementioned coleman calf deficit....
the rest of dorains body is completely out of whack

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie is no where near the same size in 01 as he was in 99 look at the pics its very obvious he was much lighter

other than downsized quads, they look the same to me.

and Neo whenever someone refers to a bodybuilder who is in shape they refer to him as having great conditioning NOT great definition , they refer to them as being dry NOT being defined , being soft not as not as defined , I mean its all the same damn thing , ripped , dry , hard , defined

correct observation, wrong conclusion. Every wonder why you don't hear people say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations?" It's b/c definitions are a sign of good conditioning, not vice versa. If both terms are synonymous with each other (according to you), then conditioning would be a sign of good definition which doesn't make any sense.

[Iceman1981]

One this has been posted eons ago , old news two key word he THINKS Ronnie would beat Dorian 

and here is one from 03

Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.

Again what you fail to realize is in my quote, he states that Coleman would have beaten yates. You're quote from Matarazzo doesn't adress that issue. What you just said goes for your "Lee Preist" quote also. So what's all the bytching about? Second, that quote was in 03 when Coleman won 6 Olympia's. He now has 8 Olympia's. So nice try. Try again.

[Hulkster]

exactly. Honestly, I would rather throw out all quotes and instead rely on visual evidence. The only reason I posted Peter McGough's comment is to beat ND as his own game.

when you rely solely on the visuals, as the ronnie side has predominantly done, Yate loses easily.

why do you think the dorian side has to claim 'fake footage' and "magic photoelectric effects of dorian's skin to 'fool' our retinas"?

only a fool would not see what these sorts of arguments say..

even the dorian side knows that Ronnie is better.

why else do they have to make up shit like this?

[Hulkster]

tiny calve that i will concede
everything else on coleman is giant....
dorian
small arms distended belly..
small chest.. giant back
.. i will concede dorian has more blanced legs due to the aforementioned coleman calf deficit....
the rest of dorains body is completely out of whack

very true.

and yet ND claims his balance and proportion destroy's Ronnie's....

[Hulkster]

in that pic i see coleman
winning on chest arms delts quads...
which is pretty much all we can see from the pic

and yet the dorian fans are delsional enough to say that dorian is winning that shot...

[Hulkster]

And Ronnie was balanced? tiny calves , giant quads , giant glutes , distended gut , tiny forearms giant biceps/triceps , I mean Dorian may not have the best balance ever but its certainly better than Ronnies

but here is your problem:

in 99, hell, prior to 2003, his 'giant' glutes and quads were NOT so giant. They did not jump out at you like they did in 2003:

just compare these pics and you will see how wrong your assessment is:



your post only refers to 2003/4 and onward. NOT 1999 or even 2001...