Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Necrosis]

Oh you could be included in with the morons the Yates black & whites are not real according to you lol and someone tried to point out that the black & whites make him look better than he actually is? , thats not a valid argument thats a pathetic attempt first of all what are you basing this on? did you see Yates in that series in both color and black & white to have anything to gauge off of? most likely NOT and I've heard of pictures washing separation out but not adding to it , this claim is worthless as well

And this debate is worthless I've said this many times hence why I started this thread , and the funny part is you have these guys commenting on Dorian's conditioning as a matter-of-fact , yet they never seen him in person , are only basing their opinions on pictures & video and are saying the people who did see him live and in the flesh are WRONG and they are right , the pinnacle of stupidity

And I posted many pictures & videos of Dorian looking that much better than Ronnie , but when people are commenting on his conditioning knowing that he simply looks better in person means they're limited in their assessment of Yates , I posted a picture of Dorian in the abdominal & thigh simply outclassing Ronnie , now factor in how much better he would look in person , so if he's that far ahead in a pic imagine reality , i posted pictures of Dorian in the front latspread which again simply outclasses Ronnie and they nay-sayers chime in with ' he's smooth ' which implies he's holding water and then I respond with he's not holding water he's bone dry , supplement my assessment with a quote from the particular show commenting how ripped and bone dry he was , add in the quote that some people don't look as good in pics as they do in person ( Yates ) and then they're caught in a trap , then the excuses roll out , the guys in person can be biased ( but the internet guys can't  ) there is no such thing as one guy looking better in pics than another ( despite eye witness claims to the contrary ) he doesn't have striations so he's not ripped ( despite proven one can have striations and still be soft )

So in the end I working with very biased , very ignorant Uber-fans who lack objectivity and honesty , they see what they want to see and the best part is I can usually back up my claims ( after the fact ) with a quote that supports my claim , they on the other hand cannot and whenever I do it drives them nuts lol they absolutely hate quotes because its validation I'm right after all , example

I post a picture of Dorian in the side chest shot and give an excellent assessment of why this shot beats Ronnie , their retort is to point of Ronnie's strengths , ignore his weaknesses and dismiss any advantage Yates has in this ( or other ) pose , then I back up my claim with a quote from Ronnie saying " Dorian had the best side chest shot I ever seen " and then Shawn Ray " Ronnie's side chest shot leaves a lot to be desired , especially compared to someone who can actually pull it off " now they're dumbfounded and still see what they want lol but in the end I can usually ( key word ) back up my claims with a firsthand account confirming my initial critique and they can't thats what separates me from them , one I know what I'm talking about and two I can confirm it after the fact

again you take the meaning of his post out of context, i think you do it on purpose. the black and grey scale shading gives better contrast. from your logic pics can wash out cuts etc, logically the opposite should be true they can enhance definition and seperation. i guess its like taking a pic in sunlight, then with lights over head. lighting has an effect on enhancing whats already there, it doesnt create something thats not.

[Hulkster]

lighting has an effect on enhancing whats already there, it doesnt create something thats not.

exactly. this was brought up long ago, but once again, ND was to stupid to understand it.

no amount of lighting will EVER make this arms look hard and cut:

[Hulkster]

are only basing their opinions on pictures & video and are saying the people who did see him live and in the flesh are WRONG and they are right , the pinnacle of stupidity

why do you not read properly?

no one is saying that dorian was not well conditioned. He does have certain bodyparts that do look soft, however,

what we are saying is that dorian was not as conditioned AS RONNIE AT HIS BEST.

there is a crucial difference, that, had you had any reading comprehension skills, would know...

[Hulkster]

hahaha

[Necrosis]

exactly. this was brought up long ago, but once again, ND was to stupid to understand it.

no amount of lighting will EVER make this arms look hard and cut:

he has very poor reading comprehension skills, and when you refute him he brings up an argument or nitpicks.

he keeps posting quotes like they are comparing ronnie vs dorian at there bests, they are not. if one guy says dorian had the best conditioning ever that is an opinion, not fact. people say ronnie had the best conditioning ever, still not fact. unless there is a quote saying dorian would beat ronnie at there bests or vice versa then theres no rhyme or reason to the quotes, but again thats still an opinion. real life comparison is the only way, which we cannot do. however, pictures are the best and most accurate way to compare both at there best.

why he doesnt understand this i dont know, he will mis interpret this post anyway and talk about density or something stupid.

[Shockwave]

Hulkster, can you please reiterate why you insist on using 1996 pics?
I mean, haven't we been over this before?

[NarcissisticDeity]

julian schmidt is a god anything he says is the utter truth.  why would the photographer know more about bodybuilding. does a person that takes photographs of paintings know how to make the painting. have you ever competed i think not, we hired a photographer who does alot of shows, he never trained, and didnt know shit other then his profession, photography. the fact that you champion the pic when ronnie is clearly better conditioned because a quote says so shows your intelligence. ronnie is much more cut and way harder based on neos pics. ive already shown you why dorian wouldnt have more cuts, seperations, size etc then pics.

This is whats wrong with you , you can't even keep track of the argument , first of all its not Julian Schimdt its Kevin Horton and second your opinion WILL NEVER be better than EYE WITNESS you lost the argument  even before it began , you by virtue of not being an eye witness to both events in question cannot determine who had better conditioning and even if you were live & in person you're trapped in your own dumb-ass logic because YOUR eyewitness account would have to be dismissed because of the exact same reasons you claimed MY quote are useless , and why have a bodybuilding contest at all? why not all the competitors all mail in pictures because according to you pic DON'T LIE people do and surely the judges must fall into your logic that eye witnesses can be wrong as well as every other eyewitness , all the competitors need do is sit home and mail pictures in LMFAO you're an idiot plain & simple and you owned yourself with your dumb logic
 

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, can you please reiterate why you insist on using 1996 pics?
I mean, haven't we been over this before?

because they illustrate that dorian, while well conditioned, still had bodyparts that look like soft dough. And in a sport based on the comparison of appearences (not mathematical body fat percentages and the like) this would hurt him GREATLY against 99 Ronnie..

If you prefer, I can use 93 shots that show the exact same thing:


you guys always cry "its a 96 shot or its a 95 shot!"

problem is, you are too delusional to realize that he looked exactly the same at his very best in 1993...

[NarcissisticDeity]

why do you not read properly?

no one is saying that dorian was not well conditioned. He does have certain bodyparts that do look soft, however,

what we are saying is that dorian was not as conditioned AS RONNIE AT HIS BEST.

there is a crucial difference, that, had you had any reading comprehension skills, would know...

I love crushing your stupidity , you're ignorant and I will continue to point it out every time you type , NO someone ( you ) claim that and I quote " Dorian's conditioning was a myth " so once again you're proven dead wrong , now the backpeddling statement is ' no one is saying dorian was not well conditioned ' BULL SHIT you did and you said it many times lol now you've been beaten down and had to amend it to ' no one is saying dorian isn't ' lmfao you're owned again

and further more YOU cannot determine who is better conditioned or NOT and why?

1) you're ignorant to what conditioning is and isn't
2) many eye witness accounts say the same Dorian looks much better in person
3) you keep insisting he look ' soft ' implying he's holding water and I have many quotes that say directly he's ' ripped totally ripped '


Now you're wrong on all accounts and you better think twice the next time you hit that post button becuse the more you change up and backpeddle and deny making claims I will expose you for what you are , ignorant , biased and clueless 

[NarcissisticDeity]

because they illustrate that dorian, while well conditioned, still had bodyparts that look like soft dough. And in a sport based on the comparison of appearences (not mathematical body fat percentages and the like) this would hurt him GREATLY against 99 Ronnie..

If you prefer, I can use 93 shots that show the exact same thing:

you guys always cry "its a 96 shot or its a 95 shot!"

problem is, you are too delusional to realize that he looked exactly the same at his very best in 1993...

The best part if your ignorance is easily proven wrong ' soft dough ' lol and the best part is you having the balls to refer to Ronnie 1999 as the reference to dry & hard LMFAO it doesn't get any easier than this

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

This is coming from an I.F.B.B. judge it just doesn't get better than this lol man I'm fucking good lol

[Shockwave]

because they illustrate that dorian, while well conditioned, still had bodyparts that look like soft dough. And in a sport based on the comparison of appearences (not mathematical body fat percentages and the like) this would hurt him GREATLY against 99 Ronnie..

If you prefer, I can use 93 shots that show the exact same thing:


you guys always cry "its a 96 shot or its a 95 shot!"

problem is, you are too delusional to realize that he looked exactly the same at his very best in 1993...

I would rather you use 93 shots.
Considering even ND uses 98/99 shots, I would think the least you would do is use 93/95 shots.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he has very poor reading comprehension skills, and when you refute him he brings up an argument or nitpicks.

he keeps posting quotes like they are comparing ronnie vs dorian at there bests, they are not. if one guy says dorian had the best conditioning ever that is an opinion, not fact. people say ronnie had the best conditioning ever, still not fact. unless there is a quote saying dorian would beat ronnie at there bests or vice versa then theres no rhyme or reason to the quotes, but again thats still an opinion. real life comparison is the only way, which we cannot do. however, pictures are the best and most accurate way to compare both at there best.

why he doesnt understand this i dont know, he will mis interpret this post anyway and talk about density or something stupid.

One I did post a quote DIRECTLY comparing Ronnie to Dorian from Lee Priest and NO it wasn't compared to 2003 but the general consensus is 2003 is NOT his best showing let me post it again to shut up the little people

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

I mean this quote shuts Hulkster up and you and why? because it says specifically he would A) beat Ronnie and B) has better conditioning ontop of being more complete ( strike one )

Now I can supplement this quote with one from Yates DIRECTLY comparing himself to Ronnie saying he has better balance and better conditioning ( strike two )

And insult to injury , Kevin Horton saying Dorian's conditioning especially at weights of 280-285 pounds has NOT been surpassed ( strike three you're out )

Now who shall we believe eye witnesses or some ignorant internet-fan-boys? Geeee let me think about this for a moment 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I would rather you use 93 shots.
Considering even ND uses 98/99 shots, I would think the least you would do is use 93/95 shots.

He needs 96 pictures ironically enough its a contest where Dorian dominated the whole field including a 250 pound Ronnie Coleman and all his ' advantages '

[Hulkster]

ND, why is it that when reality and people prove you flat out wrong, you just post quote after quote after quote?

shouldn't you be using real concrete evidence to back up your ridiculous claims?

eg. your comment about Ronnie 99 being dry and hard- well guess what?

he was:

if you looked up from your magazine paragraphs for even one minute you would see that

[Hulkster]

The best part if your ignorance is easily proven wrong ' soft dough ' lol and the best part is you having the balls to refer to Ronnie 1999 as the reference to dry & hard LMFAO it doesn't get any easier than this

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

This is coming from an I.F.B.B. judge it just doesn't get better than this lol man I'm fucking good lol

LOL you say it doesn't get any easier than this?

and then you post a series of quotes?

you have abosolutely no clue how to properly back up an argument do you?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, why is it that when reality and people prove you flat out wrong, you just post quote after quote after quote?

shouldn't you be using real concrete evidence to back up your ridiculous claims?

eg. your comment about Ronnie 99 being dry and hard- well guess what?

he was:

if you looked up from your magazine paragraphs for even one minute you would see that

The quotes CONFIRM what I say and do it after the fact too boot , you have nothing at all , and I don't rely solely on quotes I've posted pictures , video , and quotes which all confirm what I've always said , and you're left with everyone is wrong and I am right lol I'm an internet-fan-boy and what I say is more valid than eyewitness accounts , and you're making the claim that contradicts mine and an eyewitnesses now you look at the 99 pics and say he was just as dry & hard as he was in 98 I look at the pics and say no he isn't I back up my critique with a very well respected member of the bodybuilding community saying outright he's not , now if you have ANYTHING that says Ronnie was just as hard & dry in 99 from someone who carries some weight like McGough feel free to post it , until then keep being crushed under the weight of your own stupidity 

the epic meltdown continues lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL you say it doesn't get any easier than this?

and then you post a series of quotes?

you have abosolutely no clue how to properly back up an argument do you?

monster irony post lol I backed up my argument full well you know when you said " no one is saying that dorian was not well conditioned. " and then I just recalled your constant quote that Dorian's conditioning be nothing more than a myth lol man you got owned so the millionth time.

[Hulkster]

considering that his arms and quads are doughy, I should have said his conditioning was exaggerated.


ya know, overrated.

like his physique

[RocketSwitch625]

considering that his arms and quads are doughy, I should have said his conditioning was exaggerated.


ya know, overrated.

like his physique

Ever wondered what brown play dough looks like Hulkster?

[NarcissisticDeity]

considering that his arms and quads are doughy, I should have said his conditioning was exaggerated.


ya know, overrated.

like his physique

Ah I love when you admit you're wrong lol and overrated? this statement will haunt you in time lol again 

[NarcissisticDeity]

considering that his arms and quads are doughy, I should have said his conditioning was exaggerated.


ya know, overrated.

like his physique

His arms are bone dry & rock hard , he is ripped , totally ripped , in fact his whole physique is the gold standard in which conditioning is weighed on , while Ronnie managed to get it right at least on two occasions lol

[Hulkster]

His arms are bone dry & rock hard , he is ripped , totally ripped , in fact his whole physique is the gold standard in which conditioning is weighed on

maybe compared to nasser el sonbaty and Kevin levrone in the mid 90's, but not compared to this:

[Hulkster]

LOL you want to talk about arm definition?

sorry, but Doughian gets owned:

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL you want to talk about arm definition?

sorry, but Doughian gets owned:

Nice try

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian's V Ronnie 01 ASC and you guessed it  Dorian is in another league