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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24850 on: February 22, 2007, 07:29:24 PM »
Again you're ignorant , its that simple the analogy would be to say Ronnie's calves are holding fat & water because they appear smooth , so they're doughy its retarded like your assessments

they might be holding a little fat and water for all we know. However, I presume it's safe to say that Ronnie would be marked down for poorer definition in his calves. I don't see why the same doesn't apply to Dorian's arms and quads.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24851 on: February 22, 2007, 07:29:29 PM »
Peter McGough said that 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable. He wasn't referring to 03 Ronnie. So you are ignoring quotes from people who know more about bodybuilding than you. Don't tell me you're not when you obviously are. Moreover, I don't know how you can say that you back up your opinions with eye witness accounts yet I don't. Peter McGough, Flex Wheeler, Dorian Yates and Paul Dillet have all seen both compete, and they all agree that Ronnie would win. ;)

First of all I provided you with the Peter McGough quote so how do I ignore it? great logic kid  ::) and I don't need to ignore it he said that was the best physique he saw ON-STAGE and off was Dorian at 269 pounds  ;) so Dorian at 269 pounds would crush Ronnie at 247 pounds




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24852 on: February 22, 2007, 07:32:08 PM »
::)

no judge in the world would ever agree with this.

the arms are major and composed of the delts (not strictly speaking, but they go hand in hand), triceps, biceps and forearms.

taken as a whole, this is a lot more important than the calves...

Let me explain to you exactly why I am right and you are wrong.

Side Triceps - Dorian's arms have zero liability here, in fact, he owns the greatest side tricep of all times. The calves on the other hand are a horrendus liability for Ronnie here and a huge asset for Yates.

Back Double Bi - Again, no liability for Yates, his arms were fine from the rear, and again, the calves clearly visible are a huge advantage for Yates. They overcome any disadvantage he is at when it comes to arms against Coleman

Rear lat - Arms here are almost non-existant. Calves again fully visible and a huge liabity for Coleman.

Front Lat - Dorian's arms look great here, calves fully visible again, advantage Yates

Front Double Bi - torn bicep is a liabity here. But the 2 calves are still visibile which hurts Coleman

Side Chest - no liability for Yates, Coleman still has the shitty calves



I think it is clear that Ronnie's calves are far more of a liability than you have imagined. The fact is, he was never exposed becuase his main compeition in his prime were competitors with no calves (and/or competitors with calves and no back/condition aka Cutler.....oh wait....he beat Ronnie too :-X ). Dorian on the other hand faced MANY competitors with outstanding arms and defeated them every time....oh, that includes Ronnie...8 times 8)

Hope this helps :)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24853 on: February 22, 2007, 07:32:26 PM »
Again you're ignorant , its that simple the analogy would be to say Ronnie's calves are holding fat & water because they appear smooth , so they're doughy its retarded like your assessments

why is that retarded?

his calves looks smooth and thus were probably holding water.

what is wrong with this?

bodybuilders can be ripped in a lot of areas and still have areas holding water.

eg. Ronnie 2004:


arms and quads fairly dry, stomach region holding lots of water.

if you knew anything about this sport, you would know shit like this.

dorian had a super ripped lower back, but to say his arms and quads were just as ripped is just stupid. and not supported by any pic or opinion.

he was clearly holding a little water in these areas.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24854 on: February 22, 2007, 07:32:45 PM »
muscle mag specifically mention how in 94 dorian's once "etched" lower back had "filled and flattened somewhat"

I know you will fight tooth and nail to contiue clinging to this delusional fantasy that dorian was bone dry in 1994, but the truth is, he was most certainly not.

hell, one quick glance at shawn compared to dorian is all you need to see that dorian was a little watery in 94, and it was shawn that was bone dry:





Is this another one of your made-up quotes like the Shawn Ray one? and Dorian wasn't soft or holding water in 1994 NO ONE mentions it period and here is Dorian's lower back from 1994 and its as etched as ever  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24855 on: February 22, 2007, 07:38:12 PM »
First of all I provided you with the Peter McGough quote so how do I ignore it? great logic kid  and I don't need to ignore it he said that was the best physique he saw ON-STAGE and off was Dorian at 269 pounds so Dorian at 269 pounds would crush Ronnie at 247 pounds

yawn, do I have to explain everything to you? I guess your brain has become impaired b/c you've grown accustomed to not thinking on your own. You ignore the quote from Peter McGough since you choose not to accept it, yet you expect me to accept that Dorian wasn't carrying any fat or water b/c a guy said so. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24856 on: February 22, 2007, 07:39:38 PM »
Is this another one of your made-up quotes like the Shawn Ray one? and Dorian wasn't soft or holding water in 1994 NO ONE mentions it period and here is Dorian's lower back from 1994 and its as etched as ever  ;)

musclemag Feb. 95, page 24:

"He was not as ripped as he had been last year. and although hard as well cured concrete, the etched back and lumbar christmas tree that once shocked an audience to their socks had filled and flattened somewhat"

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24857 on: February 22, 2007, 07:40:09 PM »
yawn, do I have to explain everything to you? I guess your brain has become impaired b/c you've grown accustomed to not thinking on your own. You ignore the quote from Peter McGough since you choose not to accept it, yet you expect me to accept that Dorian wasn't carrying any fat or water b/c a guy said so. ::)

Peter also said Ronnie wasn't as conditioned in 99 as 98. Chew on that a bit.

Only an idiot would say that a 247lb Ronnie would defeat a 260 Yates in muscularity round.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24858 on: February 22, 2007, 07:44:03 PM »
why is that retarded?

his calves looks smooth and thus were probably holding water.

what is wrong with this?

bodybuilders can be ripped in a lot of areas and still have areas holding water.

eg. Ronnie 2004:

arms and quads fairly dry, stomach region holding lots of water.

if you knew anything about this sport, you would know shit like this.

dorian had a super ripped lower back, but to say his arms and quads were just as ripped is just stupid. and not supported by any pic or opinion.

he was clearly holding a little water in these areas.

Ronnie's calves 1998 and 2001 are NOT holding water despite being smooth , in fact on both occasions he's superhard and super dry , Dorian does NOT hold water his trademark is his super hard conditioning overall not in certain places

and this is supported by firsthand accounts


MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

Flex Magazine June 1996

Quote Milos Sarcev on Dorian Yates

" Dorian is.........The current Mr Olympia. I admire him a great deal. He's impressive , ripped and huge with a total package that can't be beat. he doesn't have the type of physique I'd want to emulate. "

.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

Quote Mike Mattarazo on Dorian Yates

" Does he even have skin? "

Julian Schmidt on Dorian Yates at the 1992 Mr Olympia

There is NO ONE in the world who can touch Yates. In this show he was a brain-snapping 242 pounds , all of it expertly distributed. Against all the finalist , sensational though they were , Dorian possessed thickness and convexity in his back none can match. Even Levrone's triceps and legs , which had the bodybuilding community aflutter all year , paled in comparison with the same bodyparts on Yates. Where others might also boast size and striations , Dorian dominates them with stratifications as well. It's eerie how far this man takes the human physique.

This is a quote from eight time Mr Olympia winner Lee Haney on Dorian Yates as he appeared at the 1993 Mr Olympia

" No doubt about it , Dorian was the winner . He's gotten bigger , with even more muscularity and detail. Fantastic! Out of sight. Y'know he was over and beyond a champion. He knows his body . It'll be hard for anyone to unseat him . "

For the 1993 Olympia he came in at 257 pounds and took straight firsts. We discussed it many times, and he sort of agreed that six weeks out was his best look, but knowing that the criteria was "condition, condition, condition" he  always dropped bodyweight

Flex magazine Dec 1995

Dorian Yates : Skin like tissue paper. In the crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but NOT fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf. Back , upper and lower , is sensational in EVERY respect : width , thickness and detail. Side triceps is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before . Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves . In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own . Today's combination of size , proportion , shape and condition make this his peak form.

Peter McGough on Dorian at the 1996 Mr Olympia

Dorian Yates : The man was in situ was rock hard . His 257 pounds were augmented by an improved waist taper , His damaged left biceps has filled out remarkably and the only negative is that he could have been fuller in the thighs. But with his blend of size , symmetry , detail and condition , he was equipped to resist every challenge . At 3:25 p.m. as Yates completed the individual mandatories , the fat lady left the dressing room.

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24859 on: February 22, 2007, 07:45:19 PM »
musclemag Feb. 95, page 24:

"He was not as ripped as he had been last year. and although hard as well cured concrete, the etched back and lumbar christmas tree that once shocked an audience to their socks had filled and flattened somewhat"

 ::)





Yawn sure he isn't , see above posts !!  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24860 on: February 22, 2007, 07:45:42 PM »
Peter also said Ronnie wasn't as conditioned in 99 as 98. Chew on that a bit.

ha ha ha ha, was that supposed to prove me wrong somehow? I never said I disagreed.

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Only an idiot would say that a 247lb Ronnie would defeat a 260 Yates in muscularity round.

sure, I guess that means Greg Kovacs would beat Dorian in the muscularity round b/c he weighs more. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24861 on: February 22, 2007, 07:48:10 PM »
yawn, do I have to explain everything to you? I guess your brain has become impaired b/c you've grown accustomed to not thinking on your own. You ignore the quote from Peter McGough since you choose not to accept it, yet you expect me to accept that Dorian wasn't carrying any fat or water b/c a guy said so. ::)

No , no all of my opinions I formed myself and I had the verified after the fact , you've yet to verify your absurd statements like 2001 and 1999 he was the same size and Ronnie had a thicker back than Dorian despite being 13 pounds lighter and your opinion isn't verification its ignorant ontop of it and Dorian doesn't hold water because one I said so and two see above quotes

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24862 on: February 22, 2007, 07:48:56 PM »
ha ha ha ha, was that supposed to prove me wrong somehow? I never said I disagreed.

sure, I guess that means Greg Kovacs would beat Dorian in the muscularity round b/c he weighs more. ::)

Gred Kovacs may weight more, does that mean he carries more muscle? ::) NO.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24863 on: February 22, 2007, 07:49:15 PM »
ha ha ha ha, was that supposed to prove me wrong somehow? I never said I disagreed.

sure, I guess that means Greg Kovacs would beat Dorian in the muscularity round b/c he weighs more. ::)

No because Greg doesn't have the conditioning AND size and neither did Ronnie he had the conditioning BUT not the size compared to Dorian

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24864 on: February 22, 2007, 07:49:48 PM »
such a lengthy response from ND and yet nowhere does it address 94 Dorian, which is what Hulkster was referring to - another classic example of ND's "excellent" reading comprehension. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24865 on: February 22, 2007, 07:51:13 PM »

he did, but it doesnt matter when your competition is dennis james and chris cormier vs. an all time best nasser, dillet, shawn, flex, and kevin.

So you're saying Coleman looked bad at the 01 Arnold Classic?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24866 on: February 22, 2007, 07:53:08 PM »
such a lengthy response from ND and yet nowhere does it address 94 Dorian, which is what Hulkster was referring to. Yet another example of ND's "excellent" reading comprehension. ::)

Pay attention its in reference to his OVERALL conditioning over the years and here's a quote from Shawn 1994 about Dorian being a bigger version of what he's been

Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24867 on: February 22, 2007, 07:53:21 PM »
Look at the thickness of his traps and teres major and infraspinatus its just insane !

Take it easy and try not to WIZZ on your screen!!! LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24868 on: February 22, 2007, 07:54:21 PM »
Dorian was just as dry and hard as he was in previous years !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24869 on: February 22, 2007, 07:56:33 PM »
Gred Kovacs may weight more, does that mean he carries more muscle? NO.

actually, yes. Greg Kovacs outweighs Dorian by over 40 lbs. He's bound to carry more lean mass. There's no way in hell that his bones are that much heavier. However, just b/c he weighs significantly more does not automatically mean that he beats Dorian in the muscularity round. That was my whole point.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24870 on: February 22, 2007, 07:58:19 PM »
its not loose skin you moron its wrinkles , Dorian is not carrying ANY fat or water in his lower back , your stupidity won't be entertained just corrected and what the hell do you know? You think Ronnie 2003 is better conditioned than Dorian , your knowledge is very small come back when it grows up some , wrinkles in his back isn't loose skin its another imaginary flaw you idiots are searching for because you need them

The pics say the opposite:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24871 on: February 22, 2007, 07:59:28 PM »
actually, yes. Greg Kovacs outweighs Dorian by over 40 lbs. He's bound to carry more lean mass. There's no way in hell that his bones are that much heavier. However, just b/c he weighs significantly more does not automatically mean that he beats Dorian in the muscularity round. That was my whole point.

Ah you're neglecting other factors like Kovac's is almost 6'2" and his mass isn't as lean or as dry as Dorian I agree with you that a lighter competitor can win the muscularity round like Yates 1991 at 239 pounds VS Haney at 249 pounds but that was due to hus superior conditioning , something Ronnie 2001 doesn't enjoy on Dorian who is 260 pounds !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24872 on: February 22, 2007, 08:00:10 PM »
The pics say the opposite:

Sure they do  ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24873 on: February 22, 2007, 08:00:23 PM »
Pay attention its in reference to his OVERALL conditioning over the years and here's a quote from Shawn 1994 about Dorian being a bigger version of what he's been

Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk."

nice try, but you posted that AFTER I already called you out for not addressing Hulkster's comment.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #24874 on: February 22, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
nice try, but you posted that AFTER I already called you out for not addressing Hulkster's comment.

I did address it see the pics of 1994  ;) with a super-shredded back which is typical Yates and who cares when I did I can and did