Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

actually, yes. Greg Kovacs outweighs Dorian by over 40 lbs. He's bound to carry more lean mass. There's no way in hell that his bones are that much heavier. However, just b/c he weighs significantly more does not automatically mean that he beats Dorian in the muscularity round. That was my whole point.

I'm not sure of Kovacs height, but the more important issue when comparing indviduals in terms of muscularity is density. The fact that Dorian was 5'10 and hard as a rock at 260lbs is what made him special. I simply don't see how you can underestimate 13lbs of lean muscle. That is literally the difference between Yates in 92 and 93. Are you saying that now that it is not noticeable?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not sure of Kovacs height, but the more important issue when comparing indviduals in terms of muscularity is density. The fact that Dorian was 5'10 and hard as a rock at 260lbs is what made him special. I simply don't see how you can underestimate 13lbs of lean muscle. That is literally the difference between Yates in 92 and 93. Are you saying that now that it is not noticeable?

Hell if thats the case than the size difference between Ronnie 1998 and 1999 was not noticeable either  even though it was just SEVEN pounds

[Iceman1981]

having you noticed that hulkster and co. dont pay attention to the judging critera, direct quotes from judges and competitors who competed against both dorian and ronnie.  

instead they rely on their 'expert opinions' eventhough they dont have any credentials.

neither do i, that's why i use quotes from qualified individuals to back up my points.

Here is a guy that competed against both of them:

Interview with Jean Pierre:

What comes to Jean Pierre's mind when he hears the following names?

Dorian Yates
He proofed that without having the best genetics, you can still win. He is probably one of the hardest training Bodybuilders ever.

Ronnie Coleman
The current MR.OLYMPIA. In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage. His ability to enjoy every day with the sacrifices that come along, makes him unique and the Bodybuilder that he is today.

http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here is a guy that competed against both of them:

Interview with Jean Pierre:

What comes to Jean Pierre's mind when he hears the following names?

Dorian Yates
He proofed that without having the best genetics, you can still win. He is probably one of the hardest training Bodybuilders ever.

Ronnie Coleman
The current MR.OLYMPIA. In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage. His ability to enjoy every day with the sacrifices that come along, makes him unique and the Bodybuilder that he is today.

http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

Here's a guy who competed against both of them

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

[Hulkster]

No because Greg doesn't have the conditioning AND size and neither did Ronnie he had the conditioning BUT not the size compared to Dorian

but he had better SHAPE too.

game, set, match for Ronnie.

[pobrecito]

Here's a guy who competed against both of them

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

great quote !!

Lee Priest is the most open and credible pro there is.

[pobrecito]

but he had better SHAPE too.

game, set, match for Ronnie.

show me where it references "shape" in the judging criteria.

Simply more made up delusions to fuel your desire to lick Coleman's nuts

[Hulkster]

Dorian was just as dry and hard as he was in previous years !

sure he was:

 

I can now see that Ronnie 98 WAS a little harder than 99, although his 99 form was still better than his 98 form in my opinion, thanks to the extra fullness, esp. in his arms/delts..

now, its your turn to admit that dorian was not as hard/ripped in 94 as he was in 93...

[NarcissisticDeity]

but he had better SHAPE too.

game, set, match for Ronnie.

No not game set match , Flex Wheeler had the best shape of any bodybuilder of the past 20 years and what did that get him V Dorian ? second place  the criteria calls for DENSITY advantage Dorian BULK against Ronnie 2001 advantage Dorian BALANCE advantage Dorian CONDITIONING 01 Ronnie most likely a tie PRESENTATION & POSING advantage Dorian

check mate Dorian

[Hulkster]

Sure they do 

this wrinkled and loose skin certainly does:

[NarcissisticDeity]

sure he was:

 

I can now see that Ronnie 98 WAS a little harder than 99, although his 99 form was still better than his 98 form in my opinion, thanks to the extra fullness, esp. in his arms/delts..

now, its your turn to admit that dorian was not as hard/ripped in 94 as he was in 93...

What does a gut have to do with ? and you're not doing me a favor by admitting the obvious lol and Dorian overall in 1994 was not as good as he was in 1993 most certainly due to the muscle tears and the god-awful tan and his bloated gut but as far as condition wise I honestly don't see a difference

[Hulkster]

No not game set match , Flex Wheeler had the best shape of any bodybuilder of the past 20 years and what did that get him V Dorian ? second place  

was Flex 250 pounds with superwide lats like ronnie?

hell no.


you can't isolate traits ND. After 1000+ pages, you STILL cannot understand this simple concept..

and what happened when Ronnie peaked?

this did:

Ronnie dominated the 'most shapely bodybuider of the last 20 years'

[Hulkster]

What does a gut have to do with ? and you're not doing me a favor by admitting the obvious lol and Dorian overall in 1994 was not as good as he was in 1993 most certainly due to the muscle tears and the god-awful tan and his bloated gut but as far as condition wise I honestly don't see a difference

its more than just a gut.

look at this:

[NarcissisticDeity]

this wrinked and loose skin certainly does:

Again this with your flat back straws and laughable , Dorian doesn't hold water if there was ANY water or sq fat it would be evident in all back poses , especially in this pose , keep fishing for fake advantages , you need them 

[NeoSeminole]

I'm not sure of Kovacs height, but the more important issue when comparing indviduals in terms of muscularity is density. The fact that Dorian was 5'10 and hard as a rock at 260lbs is what made him special. I simply don't see how you can underestimate 13lbs of lean muscle. That is literally the difference between Yates in 92 and 93. Are you saying that now that it is not noticeable?

does 01 ASC Ronnie look the same size as 92 Dorian? No.

[NarcissisticDeity]

was Flex 250 pounds with superwide lats like ronnie?

hell no.


you can't isolate traits ND. After 1000+ pages, you STILL cannot understand this simple concept..

and what happened when Ronnie peaked?

this did:

Ronnie dominated the 'most shapely bodybuider of the last 20 years'

Why did Ronnie dominate the most shapely bodybuilder of the last 20 years? not because he had a wider back or he because he weighed more ONE reason alone better conditioning , when Flex had better conditioning than Ronnie he walked all over him , Peter McGough knows this
quote Flex magazine Jan 1999

When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.

Dun NO KIDDING if Flex was 100% i.e. better conditioning Ronnie would have lost , despite being bigger , looking bigger and having a wider back

And whats all this got to do with Dorian? Dorian has better conditioning than Ronnie 1999 and he could match him for size , and had better balance & density and could pose better again you're ignorant and my knowledge crushes yours 

[pobrecito]

does 01 ASC Ronnie look the same size as 92 Dorian? No.

god damn...Ronnie is getting killed there

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian was very depleted in 92

[NeoSeminole]

Here is a guy that competed against both of them:

Interview with Jean Pierre:

What comes to Jean Pierre's mind when he hears the following names?

Dorian Yates
"He proved that without having the best genetics, you can still win. He is probably one of the hardest training Bodybuilders ever."

Ronnie Coleman
"The current MR.OLYMPIA. In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage. His ability to enjoy every day with the sacrifices that come along, makes him unique and the Bodybuilder that he is today."

great post!!! One more name to add to the growing list of professional bodybuilders and experts who say Ronnie is better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

For the idiots who claim Dorian started the GH gut 1992 Dorian with a slight vacum and Momo sporting a GH gut

[NeoSeminole]

Here's a guy who competed against both of them

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

ha ha ha ha, I find it laughable that you would quote, of all people, someone who disagrees with your assertion that Ronnie is more symmetrical than Dorian.

[NeoSeminole]

god damn...Ronnie is getting killed there

sure he is, little boy. Ronnie makes Dorian look like an amateur in that comparison.

[Iceman1981]

Sure they do 

So, you're not willing to admit it, even though the pics show you otherwise?

[Iceman1981]

Again this with your flat back straws and laughable , Dorian doesn't hold water if there was ANY water or sq fat it would be evident in all back poses , especially in this pose , keep fishing for fake advantages , you need them 

So far you haven't posted any rear latspread pics of yates. Those are the ones that show the loose skin. You cling to that crunched pose like white on rice.

[Iceman1981]

god damn...Ronnie is getting killed there

Yeah, is he getting killed by yates small, smooth arms and quads?