i'm not trying to take anything away from dorian, as i also think he's one of the greatest ever. though, from a genetic standpoint it's all ronnie all day. now, i do think dorian should be given a lot of respect for developing what he did with the genetics he had, but the truth is that ronnie reached the same level of development with a more outstanding shape.
you overcomplicate the criteria by bringing things like subcutaneous water into the equation, which is something we have no way of measuring. i think your argument is based on too many assumptions like that to be considered sound. it's all about what you can see right in front of you. now, i can't tell you that your aesthetic preferences are wrong, but i will say that i believe the vast majority of the population prefers a rounder look, which ronnie is in possession of.
also, your use of quotes bothers me. this is bodybuilding, and the subculture that surrounds it is made up of mostly meatheads and imbeciles. don't take anyone's word as gospel, because you'll soon find yourself agreeing with an idiot. all that matters is sound logic and fair argumentation. using quotes, ignoring debate and making "ownings" are all admissions of dedeat.
i'm going to go smoke a blizzy now, but i'll be back to continue this. i hope we can bring some real intelligent debate into this thread.
i'm not trying to take anything away from dorian, as i also think he's one of the greatest ever. though, from a genetic standpoint it's all ronnie all day. now, i do think dorian should be given a lot of respect for developing what he did with the genetics he had, but the truth is that ronnie reached the same level of development with a more outstanding shape.
Genetics? seeing the discussion revolves around if Dorian could beat Ronnie at his respective best , factor in Dorian beat constantly and consistantly men with much , much better ' genetics ' and shape than him , so entertaining your assessment that Ronnie does have more outstanding shape does that mean Dorian can't overcome it? NO... he beat Flex Wheeler and in the shape department he outclasses Ronnie and most everyone else , so having better shape doesn't mean he can't be beat
And Ronnie does have the edge in some parts as far as shape in concerned and in others he doesn't , he lags behind in terms of abdominals shape , the shape of his calves , forearms , side head of his triceps , couple that with Dorian having better balance & proportion than Ronnie and whatever shape advantage you think he has can be beaten
you overcomplicate the criteria by bringing things like subcutaneous water into the equation, which is something we have no way of measuring. i think your argument is based on too many assumptions like that to be considered sound. it's all about what you can see right in front of you. now, i can't tell you that your aesthetic preferences are wrong, but i will say that i believe the vast majority of the population prefers a rounder look, which ronnie is in possession of.
Oh you can measure if someone is carrying excess water and fat very easily , by looking at them its very easy to see who is in shape and who isn't NO calipers needs or no hydrostatic weighing and its NOT a matter of what the vast majority of the population prefer its all a mater of who meets the criteria better than the other , I would never want to look like Dorian Yates no for a moment Steve Reeves is what I personally would rather look like but thats has NOTHING to do with if Dorian could beat Ronnie
I couldn't believe Dorian beat Flex in 1993 until I learned the criteria and it basically boiled down to Yates has better conditioning ( among other things ) i.e. Dorian has less subcutaneous water & fat , Flex was a tad softer in the hams & glutes and he paid for it , so your assessment that over-complicate the criteria isn't true its accurate these are the things that separate first from second with ' all things being equal ' I would rather look like Flex Wheeler than Dorian Yates any day of the week but that has nothing to do with if Dorian deserved to beat him and he did
also, your use of quotes bothers me. this is bodybuilding, and the subculture that surrounds it is made up of mostly meatheads and imbeciles. don't take anyone's word as gospel, because you'll soon find yourself agreeing with an idiot. all that matters is sound logic and fair argumentation. using quotes, ignoring debate and making "ownings" are all admissions of dedeat.
i'm going to go smoke a blizzy now, but i'll be back to continue this. i hope we can bring some real intelligent debate into this thread.
And my use of quotes have been explained , they're a verification of my original opinion , Hulkster say's Ronnie is more complete than Dorian , obviously I disagree and I post a quote saying Ronnie isn't a complete bodybuilder and I follow that up with another quote from Lee Priest saying specifically that Dorian has was more complete and had better conditioning , it supplements my original statement and gives credence that I may know what I'm talking about , which leads me back to my original claim that Dorian would beat Ronnie because he's better balanced , better conditioned , has better density and depending on the year more size
And ' ownings ' are some times a necessity like when I post a pic of Yates and Hulkster says look at Dorian's tits and I proceed to post 5 pics of Ronnie with gynocomastia its just has to be done lol like when I claimed the pic was from 1996 and it turns out it was from 1995 I got owned but if you don't want to take part in that I respect that and well refrain from it as long as you do
